Shanghai tops global school tests, UK 'stagnates'

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PISA test is expanding.

In the case of the Asia-Pacific region, 16 countries/jurisdictions participated in the 2012 PISA assessment, the results of which will be released on 3 December of this year. In almost all cases, the PISA results attract a great deal of attention and spark hot policy debate in regard to the quality of education among stakeholders in the education arena.

Given expanding interest in PISA, the OECD has launched the PISA for Development initiative, which is driven by an ambition to make the "benefits" of PISA available to a broader group of countries. It reflects the high emphasis placed on learning in the post-2015 education discourse.
According to the OECD, PISA for Development is to have a strong focus on building country capacity (in the design, implementation, analysis and use of assessment results) and on peer-to-peer learning opportunities. The idea is to use "enhanced" tools and questionnaires which are better suited to the developing country context and to include out-of-school 15-year olds in the assessed population, unlike the traditional PISA.

Five to seven developing countries/jurisdictions will likely participate in the first phase. In the Asia-Pacific region, Cambodia, Mongolia, Pakistan (Punjab province) and Sri Lanka are considering participation.

UNESCO Office in Bangkok: PISA for Development: Expanding PISA to the Developing World

I wish all the new participants well in the next PISA test!

 

[shuttler]

For the doubters and the naysayers, here is a strong rebuttal

The OECD and the expansion of PISA: new global modes of governance in education Sam Sellar, Bob Lingard
Article first published online: 6 AUG 2013
DOI: 10.1002/berj.3120

This paper examines the expansion of the OECD's Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) and associated growth in the influence of the OECD's education work. PISA has become one of the OECD's most successful ‘products’ and has both strengthened the role of the Directorate for Education within the organization and enhanced the significance of the organization in education globally.

We provide an overview of the OECD, including organizational changes in response to globalization and the changing place of the Directorate for Education within the organization, particularly with the development of PISA in the late 1990s.

We show how the OECD is expanding PISA by broadening the scope of what is measured; increasing the scale of the assessment to cover more countries, systems and schools; and enhancing its explanatory power to provide policy-makers with better information.

The OECD has also developed the Programme for International Assessment of Adult Competencies (PIAAC) and PISA-based Tests for Schools, which draw on the PISA template to extend the influence of its education work to new sites. The paper draws on data from 33 interviews with past and present personnel from the OECD, the International Association for the Evaluation of Educational Achievement (IEA) and the English and Australian education systems, as well as analysis of relevant OECD documents. We argue that PISA, and the OECD's education work more broadly, has facilitated new epistemological and infrastructural modes of global governance for the OECD in education.

The OECD and the expansion of PISA: new global modes of governance in education - Sellar - 2013 - British Educational Research Journal - Wiley Online Library

 

[DaiViet]

You lost all credibility when you start mentioning China "sick man of Asia" or that "Vietnamese = humble." Humble people don't act this way. You also dismissed the PISA test as irrelevant. While it's true that this test does not represent a country standing in the world, it does show the relative educational level of 15 years old of participating countries. It may also give a glimpse into a people's attitude/motivation toward education. In this Vietnam and Shanghai are great.

As for Vietnam having a broken education system that is in urgent need of reform. This is a fact that every Vietnamese know. Whoever said it is just stating the fact. It's not smart to lie in people's face about the obvious. Calling that humble is really just boasting.

Personally, I am proud that Vietnamese kids do well on the PISA, there's no downside to doing good. I've just read a study done in Germany exploring why/how their Vietnamese immigrants do so well academically. Was done in 2012, showing Vietnamese children IQ slightly higher than their counter part in Germany. Here I quote and you can find the research paper here http://lesacreduprintemps19.files.w...ng-and-instruction-in-vietnam-and-germany.pdf. A very reputable researcher with some affiliation with the PISA test.

"Vietnamese students achieved these results in spite of a) a huge wealth gap(average family income per family 445 vs.2,858 Euro Germany), b)the past history of war, violence and suppression
in Vietnam with its detrimental effects on cognitive ability c)continuing Communist rule d)having
more children e) a more neglecting parenting style compared to Germany, f)fewer books in the family, g)less reading by children, and h) the total absence of preschool education! No child in our Vietnamese sample had attended crèche or kindergarten which proliferate in Western countries and are important factors in international comparisons evaluating cognitive, school and personality development"

I believe that IQ is just the result of education so I don't think one people is just naturally more gifted than other. It all comes down to a positive attitude for education and its availability. I think Vietnam can do better as their condition improve, even now their school day is only 4 hours long. Shorter than a great many countries. In this, I am happy, at least Vietnam future looks a little brighter.

You are one of delusional Vietnamese just like many Chinese nationalists out there. Perhaps you should read this article. The Vietnamese scholars and ministry of education admitted the test score does not accurate reflect Vietnamese education system nor intelligent.

High global test scores don’t mean Vietnam’s schooling is OK
Vietnam latest news - Thanh Nien Daily |
High global test scores don’t mean Vietnam’s schooling is OK

Vietnam should keep feet on ground after PISA surprise | Tuổi Trẻ news

You think you are smarter than Vietnamese scholars? Another delusional Vietnamese of Chinese mentality. Crunching the numbers and self proud while the whole system in need of reform. Graduates dont qualify for jobs. This is what the Vietnamese in general called Benh Thanh Tich = Score sickness, they love crunching the number and scores in the end they could achieve nothing. If you think Vietnam education out performance U.S. and U.K perhaps your IQ has problem.

If you truly intelligent may be you should take Vietnamese scholars advise. Swallowed them. Then may some hopes for Vietnam's future.

“The PISA results for Vietnam tell us nothing about the quality of the Vietnamese education system which badly needs major reforms.”

Loud mouth running around think that you are good/superior will bury you in the future perhaps that is not some one with intelligent would do.

Check your IQ and ask why you and Vietnamese scholars think opposites.

 

[Minjitta]

I have just read some articles from the organisars of the PISA test. They said the results of other provinces of China will be announced soon but will not be included in the ranking. In 2015, the whole of China will take part in the test.

Some cooking going on with this ranking. They ranks other countries as a whole and rank one country by one city LOL !!! worthless ranking.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Some cooking going on with this ranking. They ranks other countries as a whole and rank one country by one city LOL !!! worthless ranking.

Go back 35 years when China started reform politics. They started with one city, Shenzhen. When that worked they started a few more cities and later the whole country emulated what worked in the preceding cities.

In 2009 Shanghai was chosen as the test city and that worked out fine, which is again confirmed in the last test. What do you think China has been doing since 2009 and now wants the whole country to participate in 2015?

You argue out of emotional bias just like all the Gordon Chang and what not.

 

[xuxu1457]

Go back 35 years when China started reform politics. They started with one city, Shenzhen. When that worked they started a few more cities and later the whole country emulated what worked in the preceding cities.

In 2009 Shanghai was chosen as the test city and that worked out fine, which is again confirmed in the last test. What do you think China has been doing since 2009 and now wants the whole country to participate in 2015?

You argue out of emotional bias just like all the Gordon Chang and what not.

I am afraid if more cities of China join in, the top ten will all be East Asia countries, since Shanghai students are not very well among China
One Enlish news said that 84% Shanghai students can enter university, so Shanghai students are top of China, this will make every Chinese laugh, bcs every university has a fixed plan on every province, not at whole country, no matter Shanghai students do well or bad on University Entrance test, there must be 84% students will enter university since Shanghai had more universities;
So a full score of 100 degree in University Entrance test， Shanghai students at least got 67.5 can enter a university, only 17th of 33 province, while
For Science（as full score=100）
Guangdong 76.5
Zhejiang 76.2
Sichuan Province 74.9
Shandong 73.9
Beijing 73.3
Hebei 71.7
Liaoning Province 71.7
Jilin 71.3
Jiangsu Province 70.4
Hubei 70.3
Heilongjiang 70.3
Tianjin 69.5
Chongqing 69.3
Jiangxi Province 68.9
Guangxi 68.0
Hainan 67.6
Shanghai 67.5
Henan 67.3
Fujian Province 66.8
Hunan 66.0
Yunnan 66.0
Shanxi 65.7
Anhui 65.3
Gansu Province 65.2
Shanxi Province 64.7
Inner Mongolia 64.3
Tibet 62.7
Ningxia 60.7
Guizhou 59.9
Xinjiang 59.1
Qinghai 51.1
For Liberal arts（as full score=100）
Guangdong 79.2
Zhejiang 76.4
Shandong 76.0
Sichuan Province 75.6
Hebei 74.8
Shanghai 74.7
Hunan 74.3
Chongqing 74.1
Hainan 74.1
Liaoning Province 73.9
Beijing 73.2
Guangxi 72.1
Anhui 72.0
Shanxi Province 72.0
Tianjin 71.1
Jiangxi Province 70.9
Hubei 70.8
Guizhou 69.6
Yunnan 69.3
Henan 69.2
Fujian Province 68.4
Jiangsu Province 68.3
Jilin 68.0
Shanxi 67.6
Heilongjiang 67.2
Gansu Province 67.1
Ningxia 64.5
Tibet 64.0
Inner Mongolia 63.2
Xinjiang 61.3
Qinghai 58.0

As the list, for of five Minority autonomous regions Ningxia, Tibet, Inner Mongolia,Xinjiang nerely at a very loosen policy, even you got a very low score, you can enter universities

 

[northeast]

I am afraid if more cities of China join in, the top ten will all be East Asia countries, since Shanghai students are not very well among China
One Enlish news said that 84% Shanghai students can enter university, so Shanghai students are top of China, this will make every Chinese laugh, bcs every university has a fixed plan on every province, not at whole country, no matter Shanghai students do well or bad on University Entrance test, there must be 84% students will enter university since Shanghai had more universities;
So a full score of 100 degree in University Entrance test， Shanghai students at least got 67.5 can enter a university, only 17th of 33 province, while
For Science（as full score=100）
Guangdong 76.5
Zhejiang 76.2
Sichuan Province 74.9
Shandong 73.9
Beijing 73.3
Hebei 71.7
Liaoning Province 71.7
Jilin 71.3
Jiangsu Province 70.4
Hubei 70.3
Heilongjiang 70.3
Tianjin 69.5
Chongqing 69.3
Jiangxi Province 68.9
Guangxi 68.0
Hainan 67.6
Shanghai 67.5
Henan 67.3
Fujian Province 66.8
Hunan 66.0
Yunnan 66.0
Shanxi 65.7
Anhui 65.3
Gansu Province 65.2
Shanxi Province 64.7
Inner Mongolia 64.3
Tibet 62.7
Ningxia 60.7
Guizhou 59.9
Xinjiang 59.1
Qinghai 51.1
For Liberal arts（as full score=100）
Guangdong 79.2
Zhejiang 76.4
Shandong 76.0
Sichuan Province 75.6
Hebei 74.8
Shanghai 74.7
Hunan 74.3
Chongqing 74.1
Hainan 74.1
Liaoning Province 73.9
Beijing 73.2
Guangxi 72.1
Anhui 72.0
Shanxi Province 72.0
Tianjin 71.1
Jiangxi Province 70.9
Hubei 70.8
Guizhou 69.6
Yunnan 69.3
Henan 69.2
Fujian Province 68.4
Jiangsu Province 68.3
Jilin 68.0
Shanxi 67.6
Heilongjiang 67.2
Gansu Province 67.1
Ningxia 64.5
Tibet 64.0
Inner Mongolia 63.2
Xinjiang 61.3
Qinghai 58.0

As the list, for of five Minority autonomous regions Ningxia, Tibet, Inner Mongolia,Xinjiang nerely at a very loosen policy, even you got a very low score, you can enter universities

The difficulty of enterance test doesn't equal to The capability of students.That's just plain stupid and doesn't make any sense at all.It's just like indians boast about how their enterance test is harder than America's.It only means that those students of poor province need to go though a though test so that，some of them can leave their province to get better education.
Shanghai students got the first place in PISA 2009 and zhejiang students got second among 12 chinese provinces.That's a undeniable FACT，not some wild and illogical guesses made by you.

 

[shuttler]

Some cooking going on with this ranking. They ranks other countries as a whole and rank one country by one city LOL !!! worthless ranking.

Shanghai entered the tests as a pilot city while some other provinces also did a mock test. The selection was just like the indian flunk-outs and drop-outs which has chosen Tamil Nadu and Himachal Pradesh as their representatives.

Programme for International Student Assessment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While Shanghai came first, the performance of our students at the other provinces have done fairly well.

Read the above postings before you drivels!

 

[BoQ77]

Now matter how many time you stay in the top, you are still the one who on top of piracy ( illegal copy everything from DVD to Su33 ... )

So the on Top list means nothing like the inventer or pioneers.

You must pay the respect to the intellectual ownership first, if no, all of your scientist would come aboard

 

[xuxu1457]

Now matter how many time you stay in the top, you are still the one who on top of piracy ( illegal copy everything from DVD to Su33 ... )

So the on Top list means nothing like the inventer or pioneers.

You must pay the respect to the intellectual ownership first, if no, all of your scientist would come aboard

The list is useless, I am still confused why Vitnam join it too? By the way, Vitnam copy more, even still copy AK-47 now, and China bought AK-47 license and Vitnam not yet. By the way, VCD or DVD is only a standard, not production, and the first VCD player of the world was made in China in 1993; China bought the prototype of Su-33 from Ukraine， Ukraine can stand for Soviet Union too, on weapon thing, no patents, you can get if you can, or Germany should ask money for V2 missile teck from Russia and US

I smell your sour grapes!

 

[BoQ77]

That's your internal issue, I just give the advice.
Everything will flow

Same to Vietnam.
The government must resolve the same issue

 

[Kolaps]

The article mentioned this. Taiwanese IQ have decreased substantially due to mixing with less intelligent natives. Lol.

In East Asian countries, Taiwan is probably different. We followed US education model.

It's hard to say whatever Taiwan education is fail or not, but the end result when these students are grown up.

 

[Speeder 2]

Zhejiang's 2013 PISA scores are out!!

It outscored Shanghai!


To copy/paste a comment from Time:

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There are some latest results leaking from Chinese media. Zhejiang, a rich province neighboring shanghai, participated PISA 2012 and achieved quite good results (570 in reading, 623 in math and 582 in science). However, the sample of students are somewhat biased, 80% of students tested were from rural area and all elite schools were excluded in the test. Zhejiang has a population of 54 million and urbanization rate of 62% and GDP is around 10000 USD per capita."

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Original source: PISA测试 浙江省普通中学学生试测成绩获世界第二-浙江新闻-浙江在线
China Is Cheating the PISA System | TIME.com World Student Rankings: China Is Cheating the PISA System | TIME.com"

Note that Shanghai's maths was 613, Reading: 570, Science: 580. I don't get it why the chinese source said it was No 2, since it clearly outscored Shanghai.... except there was another Chinese province that even outscored Zhejiang?!

 

[shuttler]

Zhejiang's 2013 PISA scores are out!!

It outscored Shanghai!


To copy/paste a comment from Time:

"
There are some latest results leaking from Chinese media. Zhejiang, a rich province neighboring shanghai, participated PISA 2012 and achieved quite good results (570 in reading, 623 in math and 582 in science). However, the sample of students are somewhat biased, 80% of students tested were from rural area and all elite schools were excluded in the test. Zhejiang has a population of 54 million and urbanization rate of 62% and GDP is around 10000 USD per capita."

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Original source: PISA测试 浙江省普通中学学生试测成绩获世界第二-浙江新闻-浙江在线
China Is Cheating the PISA System | TIME.com World Student Rankings: China Is Cheating the PISA System | TIME.com"

Note that Shanghai's maths was 613, Reading: 570, Science: 580. I don't get it why the chinese source said it was No 2, since it clearly outscored Shanghai.... except there was another Chinese province that even outscored Zhejiang?!

Well done Zhejiang! Congratulations!

Zhejiang is the world's no 1 and all the students were selected from regular classes and ordinary schools. Zhejiang actually bests Shanghai by an average of 4 points.

So essentially we have a population of 80 million who can top the PISA scores by virtue of the samples performance. That is amazing!

So this time around we also have:北京房山区、天津、河北、江苏、吉林、海南、四川、云南、宁夏和我省共10个省(市) - Municipalites: Beijing and Tianjin, Provinces: Jiangsu, Jilin, Hainan, Sichuan, Yunnan, and Ninxia participated.

Let's see if we have news of the performance of those students

TIME is making a fool of itself!

 

[cirr]

U.S should not be worried. As long as Japan, Korea and Vietnam on your side, you will be always sit on China's head. The Chinese will expand no where while they were wrapped North, East and South. U.S. only need to pump economy and military for these brave men in these nations, they will head to head with Chinese to the last men. I bet Chinese brave enough to war with last men of their country since their military history win 0 wars in 300 years.

Pity the US didn't butcher more Viets 40 years back。

Perhaps the Americans should have used A bombs over your dead heads and then you lot would starting behave the way the Japs do today: bow and pledge your allegianceto the US.