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Recently a thread was opened which relied on a propaganda campaign against Iran investigating a fake Christian pastor and his connections to foreign intelligence agencies working towards "regime change" policies of United States.

On that thread some Americans like Thomas, tried to portray a negative picture of Iran and raise rhetoric of war against that nation by preparing a hostile public opinion to that nation. As a person who is anti-war, I was dismayed by their actions.

Since we all belong to the same species and are connected with each other, no single event can be interpreted just by looking at that event without relating it to other events of our collective existence. So just demonizing Iran and having a fanciful picture of United States is a hypocrisy which must be avoided at all time. US media generally uses deception and lies to achieve its goals through two prisms of values. The first prism is the moral prism. The moral prism tries to picture the world for Americans public as black and white. Through this prism the US corporate media paints an immoral society out of its perceived enemies and feeds on lies and propaganda to show that countries like Iran are morally corrupt and thus war with them justifiable. This prism works by using propaganda such as Iran is evil as it kills its opponents and rapes and tortures etc. etc.

The second prism of United States media works on the principle of necessity and strategic importance. So if the United States kills its opponents, rapes and tortures, these are portrayed as necessity and strategic deeds which might be horrible but are good and unavoidable for American public benefit. This pragmatic prism then justifies wars and torture and mass killings in order to combat the perceived enemies of United States.

So it is pertinent to discuss United States through the prism of morality here and see what comes out of it. As first example I want to pull out of history a single event which shows United States is against religious freedom to begin with. On the said thread, the accusation against Iran is of the same nature portraying Iran as an anti-christian nation, without any regards for the fact that it was Iran which saved Armenian Christians from massacres of great war and world war I. Also there is no regard in that thread for the fact that Iran as a nation has the right to investigate anyone who tries to mess with its sovereignty be it an Alqaida supporter or a Christian pastor. After all we should not forget that Christianity has always been side by side with colonialism conquering non-white nations and stealing from them. The two versions of Christianity one which is preached among the indigenous population which is docile and disarming and the other version which promotes war and conquering of other people which is preached among western armies. These are historical facts.
 
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Has it occurred to you that the two "prisms" you describe may actually be portraying REALITY?
 
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CASE ONE:

An American religious sect which was Christian in roots but had some differences from the main stream Christianity practiced in United States was targeted by US government and its adherents killed enmasse. This sect which had not killed anyone neither it was preaching for killing anyone was a community of people who believed to be left alone so that they could work, pray and live their life simply away from interference of modern cities. The people of this community had strong friendships amongst each other and lived off the land. But this did not bode well with US official policies of absolute control over its people. So with a manufactured pretext the US government went in and killed that community in a massacre with no parallel to anything in Iran. Infact such a thing can never be imagined in Iran. After massacre was over, US government employed massive disinformation campaign to cover it up and give this war crime a justifiable cause.

In this massacre, United States regime killed some 80 people, including 20 children and 2 pregnant ladies, according to the US regime official causality toll. Ofcourse the real death toll could be well above this. In the massacre against this community massive force was used. Main battle tanks and machine guns supported by gunship helicopters fired on women and children for days. Through the holes of the walls in the buildings created by anti-tank rounds fired from MBT's special forces torched inside of the buildings using flame throwers and grenades. The only escape route for the women and children from fire was blocked by parking a 55 tonne main battle tank over the escape hatchet. All were burned to death.

One wonders what happened to the pregnant ladies among all those innocents who died. Mammal body physiology of mothers has a safety mechanism so that when the pregnant mother is challenged physically to extreme degree, for example when a pregnant lady is burning in fire or is shot and wounded, the automatic body systems take over and try to force the baby out of the belly of the lady by vigorously and uncontrollable contraction the uterus. This process which is very horrifying and extremely painful which is outside the voluntary control of the lady has been put there by nature to increase the chances of survival for a mother under challenging and life threatening conditions. One wonders what happened to those pregnant ladies when US forces were firing on them. Did they expel their babies? Were they terrified? We will never know. US government will never let us know.

Waco siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Waco Slaughter 1993 (caution: some disturbing images):
 
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Case One is actually about establishing the rule of law and the writ of the state.

Perhaps Pakistan should apply these concepts too in general, and particularly in FATA.
 
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Case One is actually about establishing the rule of law and the writ of the state.

Perhaps Pakistan should apply these concepts too in general, and particularly in FATA.

Well as I said, we are going to discuss US actions through prism of morality. Your writ of law is the other prism. It is quite astounding to see you being really brain washed. So much so that you quickly reverted to the other prism mode.

This thread is not about Pakistan. It is about viewing US through a moral prism. Kind of like showing America the mirror. And yeah, Iran is establishing the rule of law with regard to that fake Christian pastor being discussed in the other thread.
 
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Well as I said, we are going to discuss US actions through prism of morality. Your writ of law is the other prism. It is quite astounding to see you being really brain washed. So much so that you quickly reverted to the other prism mode.

This thread is not about Pakistan. It is about viewing US through a moral prism. Kind of like showing America the mirror. And yeah, Iran is establishing the rule of law with regard to that fake Christian pastor being discussed in the other thread.

Well, first of all develop a foundation to be even able to show USA the mirror! Only then will your case be taken seriously.
 
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CASE ONE:

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US government will never let us know.


Perhaps because you do not live in the US, that you are so ignorant to the case. Entire hearing was video recorded. It is out there in the public domain. Please look for it before using your one sided approach to give some sort of identity to your allegations.
 
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Has it occurred to you that the two "prisms" you describe may actually be portraying REALITY?

You mean the reality of those young pregnant ladies at Wacco slaughter house who were set on fire by US regime and aborted their babies while they were running having being shot and their bodies on fire? Yeah. Sure.

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Perhaps because you do not live in the US, that you are so ignorant to the case. Entire hearing was video recorded. It is out there in the public domain. Please look for it before using your one sided approach to give some sort of identity to your allegations.

Yeah, US media. Are you as as idiot as your profile picture shows you to be? Well, every thing was a cover up. Killing one year old babies and pregnant women by tank rounds is never ok no matter what kind of excuses you wanna make.

I have posted the video you can watch it.
 
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Well, first of all develop a foundation to be even able to show USA the mirror! Only then will your case be taken seriously.

Well, waco is the example of what would happen to such an organization. US is not Iran or Pakistan where you can create organization. Any such organization will be pulverized by US regime might.
 
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You mean the reality of those young pregnant ladies at Wacco slaughter house who were set on fire by US regime and aborted their babies while they were running having being shot and their bodies on fire? Yeah. Sure............................

The law is the law, same for everybody. You should seriously consider this concept, it might change Pakistan for the better.
 
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The law is the law, same for everybody. You should seriously consider this concept, it might change Pakistan for the better.

So is the Iranian law. So is the Pakistani law according to this prism of necessity. My argument is that filths like you use one prism for your actions and then use another for Pakistan and Iran. This is the problem here. So on this thread we are going to use morality prism for United States.
 
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So is the Iranian law. So is the Pakistani law according to this prism of necessity. My argument is that filths like you use one prism for your actions and then use another for Pakistan and Iran. This is the problem here. So on this thread we are going to use morality prism for United States.

Sure. Please do go ahead. I find your approach refreshingly amusing! :D
 
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Sure. Please do go ahead. I find your approach refreshingly amusing! :D

Killing innocents and torturing people can only be amusing for an American. Not for the rest of humanity. As is evident, you can not even bear a single thread showing US through prism of morality, let alone a media outlet or even a whole country like Iran which is trying to show US through prism of morality.
 
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Yeah, US media. Are you as as idiot as your profile picture shows you to be?

No, he is way smarter. :)

Well, every thing was a cover up. Killing one year old babies and pregnant women by tank rounds is never ok no matter what kind of excuses you wanna make.

I have posted the video you can watch it.

May be you should read again what I wrote above. Entire hearing was video recorded, means - Testimonies of all the witnesses and FBI & ATC personnel. Also includes so many videos made by David Koresh, and then some proof of pedophilia on his part. And then some proof of the "tweaked" automatics stored en masse in the compound. And then... the list can go on.

Whereas the video you posted lasts like... 4 minutes? That's not even as long as a single question asked in the case. Why did you even bother posting it here?

I have three different documentaries lasting 60 times the length of the video you provided. As I said, it is available in the public domain, download it and enlighten yourself.

Least to say you will be ashamed of your statements here, provided, you do have some shame.
 
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