Shahzain Bugti's name on ECL, prevented by FIA from flying abroad

[Leader]

sooo....he wasnt on his way to the airport?

Where was he going with all those weapons.....to the polo club???

what are you talking about?

 

[S.M.R]

confirmed : ShahZain Bhugti was taking his mother for medical treatment in London. when he was stopped by authorities at airport.


Hay koe Insaniyat ???

His name was on ECL but his mother can go, he is not a doctor, so his mother can get treatment without his company.

Why using his mother for running away?
Hay koe Insaniyat?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Why using his mother for running away?
Hay koe Insaniyat?

BINGO.....

 

[Leader]

His name was on ECL but his mother can go, he is not a doctor, so his mother can get treatment without his company.

Why using his mother for running away?
Hay koe Insaniyat?

thats the different between a Baluch and others, Baluch are men of honour, you should know this or learn this.
If he wanted to go to England he knows many ways to get himself to whereever he wants to be... his family refused to go without him...

 

[S.M.R]

thats the different between a Baluch and others, Baluch are men of honour, you should know this or learn this.
If he wanted to go to England he knows many ways to get himself to whereever he wants to be... his family refused to go without him...

Again man of honor.

Everyone is man of honor as long he is not involved in any criminal activity, irrespective whether he is baloch, pashtun, sindhi or abc.

Since his family refused to go without him substantiate that the plan was escape not the medical treatment.

P.S. Whatever treatment is done in london is easily available in Karachi. You name it we have it

 

[Leader]

Again man of honor.

Everyone is man of honor as long he is not involved in any criminal activity, irrespective whether he is baloch, pashtun, sindhi or abc.

Since his family refused to go without him substantiate that the plan was escape not the medical treatment.

P.S. Whatever treatment is done in london is easily available in Karachi. You name it we have it

men of honour is a terminology specifically associated with tribal societies... and it has a meaning to it, e.g. you may back out from your promise, it wont make a difference neither to you nor to your family, unless you hold a strong conscious causing a personal guilt, while if a Sardar's family member back from his word means disgrace to the family... and their family institution is strong enough to give punishments to its members who donot follow its rules and values... Nawab Akbar Bughti's one son killed a girl in PC, Lahore...later he was killed too, Nawab Akbar Khan Bughti DIDNOT see his dead son's face because he brought disgrace to family... I hope now you understand the difference between men of honour and yourself (in your case its your personal value while in their case its family/tribal value).

Karachi is facing civil war, and to go in a place with family, where his cousin was brought and killed by establishment a few days back makes no sense !!! and who knows light ho bhi ya na Karachi mein given the current crisis in Karachi electricity company.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

you are either a law abiding citizen or you are a derelict and a deviate

no in betweens

 

[Leader]

you are either a law abiding citizen or you are a derelict and a deviate

no in betweens

its about being unfair to a law abiding citizen ! you know exactly how security related laws work !

have a nice day in DC !!

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

ok so enlighten us then

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Shouldnt have been done.. The weapons were probably used by his guards....instead of resolving the issue govt shouldnt pour oil on fire.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

by the way, Karachi has nothing to do with this thread

 

[S.M.R]

men of honour is a terminology specifically associated with tribal societies... and it has a meaning to it, e.g. you may back out from your promise, it wont make a difference neither to you nor to your family, unless you hold a strong conscious causing a personal guilt, while if a Sardar's family member back from his word means disgrace to the family... and their family institution is strong enough to give punishments to its members who donot follow its rules and values... Nawab Akbar Bughti's one son killed a girl in PC, Lahore...later he was killed too, Nawab Akbar Khan Bughti DIDNOT see his dead son's face because he brought disgrace to family... I hope now you understand the difference between men of honour and yourself (in your case its your personal value while in their case its family/tribal value).

Karachi is facing civil war, and to go in a place with family, where his cousin was brought and killed by establishment a few days back makes no sense !!! and who knows light ho bhi ya na Karachi mein given the current crisis in Karachi electricity company.

There are many other things which make them Men of Honour. Remember, Nawab Akbar bugti first murdered when he was just 12, and till his death, he was proud of killing around 60 people with his own hands.

It is not important how a person sees himself or consider himself, It is important to note how a civilized society considers their acts, whether these are of honor or of disgrace.

Well.... establishment???? they had a very good chance to kill this man of honor, while he was on the way with illegal weapons that included Rocket Launchers as well. Brother, they were at Mujra party and firing incident took place on 'who takes first'.

 

[Leader]

There are many other things which make them Men of Honour. Remember, Nawab Akbar bugti first murdered when he was just 12, and till his death, he was proud of killing around 60 people with his own hands.

It is not important how a person sees himself or consider himself, It is important to note how a civilized society considers their acts, whether these are of honor or of disgrace.

Well.... establishment???? they had a very good chance to kill this man of honor, while he was on the way with illegal weapons that included Rocket Launchers as well. Brother, they were at Mujra party and firing incident took place on 'who takes first'.

I wont justify any crime, crime is a crime, however, just like mqm killers are justified in your eyes, so was his in doing it as a Sardar of his tribe. it is for the state to provide justice. innocent until proven guilty. moreover it has got nothing to do with being men of honour or not. dont you call many people hero who have killed other people and armymen who killed many people as brave men despite that they have killed people ??
and lastly, there is no such thing as civilized society, its just ethnocentrism.

your and mine society is alike, it wont bother much if you/me donot keep our promises, it happens in city life. so a society or its institutions doesnot put a check on it unlike tribal societies whose structure is different.

that I have already said they couldnot kill him cause he made his image in media, otherwise they might have killed him, like they killed his not very known cousin.

here is another difference, a Sardar' family boy needs not to go to any party, they stage their own parties if they want to, he was not like gali ka londa like you or me, you yourself might never have gone to any party uninvited ? or have you ?? he was killed outside...in fact brought and killed and just like ShahZain was going Singapore through Tashkent, he was in mujra party too...

 

[S.M.R]

I wont justify any crime, crime is a crime, however, just like mqm killers are justified in your eyes, so was his in doing it as a Sardar of his tribe. it is for the state to provide justice. innocent until proven guilty. moreover it has got nothing to do with being men of honour or not. dont you call many people hero who have killed other people and armymen who killed many people as brave men despite that they have killed people ??
and lastly, there is no such thing as civilized society, its just ethnocentrism.

your and mine society is alike, it wont bother much if you/me donot keep our promises, it happens in city life. so a society or its institutions doesnot put a check on it unlike tribal societies whose structure is different.

that I have already said they couldnot kill him cause he made his image in media, otherwise they might have killed him, like they killed his not very known cousin.

here is another difference, a Sardar' family boy needs not to go to any party, they stage their own parties if they want to, he was not like gali ka londa like you or me, you yourself might never have gone to any party uninvited ? or have you ?? he was killed outside...in fact brought and killed and just like ShahZain was going Singapore through Tashkent, he was in mujra party too...

I never justified the killings in Karachi, either from MQM, PPP or ANP side. Even I am of strong opinion that 'Shoot at sight' orders be given to Law enforcing agencies, so that everyone should have fear of being killed, if he plans to take gun out with him.

Lol, you support the killing as these were justified as that of ordered by a Judge? Strange.

Image in media? Is his image is bigger than of Nawab Akbar Bugti who was killed despite of that bigger image.

There are no doubts that these so called Sardars have always opposed the development in Balochistan.

Amir Humza Bugti, Haji Haan Bugit, Mohammed Ibrahim Bugti, Basheerullah Bugti, Ali Bugti and Sher Ali Bugti and many more were killed for Justice? By going through your posts seems you dont have knowledge about these Bugtis and violence created by them in Balochistan.

Your last para is based on assumption or false information. If the establishment wants to kill him, he will be killed without inviting somewhere.

 

[Leader]

I never justified the killings in Karachi, either from MQM, PPP or ANP side. Even I am of strong opinion that 'Shoot at sight' orders be given to Law enforcing agencies, so that everyone should have fear of being killed, if he plans to take gun out with him.

Lol, you support the killing as these were justified as that of ordered by a Judge? Strange. (WHAT?)

Image in media? Is his image is bigger than of Nawab Akbar Bugti who was killed despite of that bigger image.

There are no doubts that these so called Sardars have always opposed the development in Balochistan.

Amir Humza Bugti, Haji Haan Bugit, Mohammed Ibrahim Bugti, Basheerullah Bugti, Ali Bugti and Sher Ali Bugti and many more were killed for Justice? By going through your posts seems you dont have knowledge about these Bugtis and violence created by them in Balochistan.

Your last para is based on assumption or false information. If the establishment wants to kill him, he will be killed without inviting somewhere.

Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti was in direct confrontation with musharraf dictator. while ShahZain Bugti is avoiding anything like that by staying in public...

get a record of NFC award, you may learn something from there.
and get some history books as well or know about the history of Balouchistan and Pakistan...their websites are banned in Pakistan...

you mean establishment can kill just like that ? it is answerable in many ways, and if you are working in some organization you should know something called Reputation !

so to have public opinion on their side, or get less reaction from Nation, they needed to create the whole mujra drama and stuff to kill Talay Bugti, this is the exactly reasons why they lied after killing Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti, that the cave collapsed...

Agencies is not like a street gangs of Karachi.