SHAHBAGH SQUARE-A NEW RISE

[Skallagrim]

And eliminating anti-India elements like Jamaat-Islami are the first step into realizing that vision.

JeI is a so-called anti-India element in Bangladesh- the only one that counts. In the eyes of Awami and India that's the sole unforgivable offense.

 

[rubyjackass]

It was an example. War criminal trials simply cannot be held in our country anymore, no matter how much we wish for it. Too late, its been 40+years. You can hardy find any evidence anymore and if you do, the clarity is doubtful. Most of the accused will be let go by INTERNATIONAL court standards. Sheikh Mujib was the one who made this mess. 71 was high time to execute them. Strange thing, the kids in shahbag who idolize Mujib so much can't even respect his one decision. Funny bunch.

Mujib did enact a law to set up a tribunal to try the Razakars. With his death, the tribunal was forgotten.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Mujib did set up a tribunal to try the Razakars. With his death, the tribunal was forgotten.

With respect to the collaborators (so called Razakars) who assisted the Pakistani forces, the Mujib Government, under the Collaborators Act, arrested more than a hundred thousand individuals. Of them, 37,471 persons were charged. Another 30,623 could not be prosecuted for lack of evidence. A total of 2,848 were brought to trial. Of them, 752 were found guilty. The remaining 2,096 accused persons were found not guilty and freed.

Taking into account the overall situation of the country, in November 1973 the Government of Bangladesh under the leadership of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman declared a general amnesty. By virtue of the general amnesty, those accused or convicted for minor crimes under the Act were all set free. But those accused of rape, murder, arson or plunder were not pardoned. In other words, the general amnesty kept the scope of prosecution and trial of those accused of such serious crimes under the Act. After the amnesty, the Act remained in force for a little over two years. In that period, no case was filed for the said four serious offences. Perhaps that was the logic behind the repeal of the law in 1975. Thus, on December 31, 1975, the Collaborators Act was repealed by a Presidential Order. As such, all criminal matter relating to the collaborators were also handled and settled in line with the then existing law.

During this period, no leaders of Jamaat-e-Islami (the third opposition party of Bangladesh) were accused of committing any war crimes or crimes against humanity or any other crimes. Thus the then Sheik Mujib Government did not bring any charges against the leaders of the Jamaat-e-Islami. Notably, Shaikh Hasina Government understood very well that both war criminal and other matters relating to 1971 have been settled this is why during its rule from 1996 to 2001, the Hasina Government did not take any action in this respect.

Struggle for Human Rights , Bangladesh Perspective ,

 

[Anubis]

They can get evidence if they truly work for it. There are apparently direct witnesses, but I do not know about this.

I find it pretty hilarious when some angry Indians are cheer-leading those illiterates in Shahbag. Their government had even taken sides on the issue, a very dangerous mistake. Another mistake is their president visiting the nation while it is burning.

I mean, if they are so concerned about this trial, why don't they share whatever information they have from 1971? It is known that the Special Frontier Force (S.F.F) did intercept military and civil communications during the West Pakistani operations. There must be something there.

Also, not a word on JI's apparent terrorist links in India. Let alone a joint investigation

I also believe that working something out with Pakistan is possible. The key obstacle is that Bangladesh wants an official apology from Pakistan over the 71' massacres. Would the Pakistanis share information from 1971 under such terms?

They have made it very clear that they won't apologize to an AL-led government

I really do not think that an official apology would make any big difference (practically speaking). Sharing Cold War-era information that can track today's living collaborators could at least mean something, and justice be served (regardless of party affiliation).

The key here is for south Asian nations to move forward, not remain stagnant or worse, backwards.

I fear we are all moving backwards, and the dream of regional economic integration simply remaining a fantasy.

And if so, it'll be done so under India's terms, and not on Bangladesh's or any south Asian nation. This makes the smaller, non-nuclear states very vulnerable. They intend to keep Chinese and American influence out.

And eliminating anti-India elements like Jamaat-Islami are the first step into realizing that vision.

Their excuses like: "Islamists are violent" are nothing but flimsy excuses that a 5 year old can do better.

The Indians are very nervous about China's 'string of pearls' and USA's 'strategic pivot'.

They'll do anything around their neighborhood such that things run under their own terms. They'll never submit to USA's or China's terms. Ever.

There's a volatile and relatively underdeveloped NE India with plenty of resources, but landlocked. Another major neighbor, Myanmar have a lot of resources which can give us great economic rewards.

Our politicians failed to formulate a strategy to gain any significant economic value by engaging with Myanmar. India on the other hand already have a strategy.


http://www.defence.pk/forums/central-south-asia/235318-dragon-gwadar.html

They want to keep the Chinese out from utilizing those two ports in Chittagong and Sonadiya. Yes, that includes the much hyped deep sea port.

The Indians want a link to NE India through Bangladesh. But not all on our terms where we are supposed to gain a fair share of the trade.

Another thing is that India does not have the necessary financial strength to finance those projects, including the transit. So there goes precious time and money on our part.

If they can finance the projects on acceptable financial and project management terms, then it'd be fine. But they aren't doing this, nor are there any strong leads at present.

I mean, why should we step back on our own development?

It is commonly believed that the AL is acting as some sort of liaison to make this happen at the expense Bangladesh.

And if they ever do submit to the USA or even China someday, then we can all perhaps breath a sigh of relief. India as an emerging economic and political hegemony will officially cease to exist.

Those kids at Shahbag do not understand these matters, and insist on hopelessly and desperately digging up graves of the Cold War with nothing but old bones.

And neither do our "educated" media ever report on such important developments like the Dragon at Gwadar.

Or in other words: "Unlimited Chapaabazzying"

Official apology would help us form a potent military alliance without the whining from the so called Shadinotar Shopokkher Shokti!
But getting our relation good with Pak won't make an impact on the Indo-Pak relation and ultimately won't have much effect on South Asia.

JeI is a so-called anti-India element in Bangladesh- the only one that counts. In the eyes of Awami and India that's the sole unforgivable offense.

The most powerful anti-India element in our country is the Army.If we give the general more power he can keep us safe from dalals.Negative side is he might turn into a dictator.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Official apology would help us form a potent military alliance without the whining from the so called Shadinotar Shopokkher Shokti!
But getting our relation good with Pak won't make an impact on the Indo-Pak relation and ultimately won't have much effect on South Asia.

With Pakistan, it'd at least be a start.

The most powerful anti-India element in our country is the Army.If we give the general more power he can keep us safe from dalals.Negative side is he might turn into a dictator.

A military dictator? No thanks!

The point is not in simply being anti-India. But to develop our nation on our own terms. Not on India's terms. That is what India wants.

 

[rubyjackass]

Struggle for Human Rights , Bangladesh Perspective ,

Thanks for the info. I did not know about this part. It was a really bad move on the part of Mujib. At least the top rung leaders of the collaborators should have been tried.

 

[Mattrixx]

Thanks for the info. I did not know about this part. It was a really bad move on the part of Mujib. At least the top rung leaders of the collaborators should have been tried.

You can see that the leaders were in jail and after assassination of mujib all freed.
Sheikh mujib wanted to give detention but he had enormous pressure from US alliance countries and from middle east.
Mujib wanted a good situation for the country that is why he taken less attention to these issues.

 

[Skallagrim]

Official apology would help us form a potent military alliance without the whining from the so called Shadinotar Shopokkher Shokti!

If an official apology could clear the way for a better Pak-BD relations Awami would never have asked for an apology.

The most powerful anti-India element in our country is the Army.If we give the general more power he can keep us safe from dalals.Negative side is he might turn into a dictator.

Maybe. But the armed forces are not a political entity. They have very little influence, if any, over people. They can't indoctrinate the common people and they don't have a support base unlike a political party. That's why military rule always fails. At best the Army is a deterrent to foreign invasion and that's the very reason you'd find Awami intellectuals and even common Awami Leaguers don't like the Armed Forces of BD. In fact if you come across somebody critical of the Army you can be sure he is an awami supporter.

 

[Skies]

official apology is an excuse only, and an element of daily-71-drama. If it is solved, BAL will point out another excuse like extremism in Pakistan or ISI's involvement in BD.

BAL was born through the hatred for Pakistan.

 

[Mattrixx]

If an official apology could clear the way for a better Pak-BD relations Awami would never have asked for an apology.



Maybe. But the armed forces are not a political entity. They have very little influence, if any, over people. They can't indoctrinate the common people and they don't have a support base unlike a political party. That's why military rule always fails. At best the Army is a deterrent to foreign invasion and that's the very reason you'd find Awami intellectuals and even common Awami Leaguers don't like the Armed Forces of BD. In fact if you come across somebody opposing the Army you can be sure he is an awami supporter.

Several time BD asked official apology from PAk but they denied.
Today we dont need any ally like PAK. Only good relation is okay.

Pakistan tells Bangladesh to

Pak-Bangladesh ties: 41 years on, still awaiting an apology – The Express Tribune

Dhaka renews call for Pak apology

 

[rubyjackass]

You can see that the leaders were in jail and after assassination of mujib all freed.
Sheikh mujib wanted to give detention but he had enormous pressure from US alliance countries and from middle east.
Mujib wanted a good situation for the country that is why he taken less attention to these issues.

Ok. That makes the picture a little clearer. My previous knowledge was that the collaborators were on the way to trials by the time Mujib died, as the general amnesty would not apply to them. May be he was waiting for the right moment to act politically, having them jailed till then. From what Loki mentioned, the leaders were cleared only in Dec 1975. But it still does not explain this:

In that period, no case was filed for the said four serious offences.

I am just interested to ask you and in general all Bangladeshis here. Who do you think plotted Mujib's overthrow and killing?

 

[Zabaniyah]

I am just interested to ask you and in general all Bangladeshis here. Who do you think plotted Mujib's overthrow and killing?

The army. Apparently with CIA backing.

 

[Mattrixx]

Ok. That makes the picture a little clearer. My previous knowledge was that the collaborators were on the way to trials by the time Mujib died, as the general amnesty would not apply to them. May be he was waiting for the right moment to act politically, having them jailed till then. From what Loki mentioned, the leaders were cleared only in Dec 1975. But it still does not explain this:


I am just interested to ask you and in general all Bangladeshis here. Who do you think plotted Mujib's overthrow and killing?

They were in the jail in serious four charges what other charges needed to apply on them.
There were no further investigation needed on them. They could get life sentence and could get hang any time.
But as I said mujib had serious pressure and he wanted to avoid any ban or restriction from other countries.

In case of mujib's assassination I seen some analysis where they accused ISI and CIA for all these.
Some low level officers wanted to do that and officers like Zia supported it. Some AL politicians were involved in that too.

 

[Skallagrim]

Several time BD asked official apology from PAk but they denied.
Today we dont need any ally like PAK. Only good relation is okay.

Pakistan tells Bangladesh to

Pak-Bangladesh ties: 41 years on, still awaiting an apology – The Express Tribune

Dhaka renews call for Pak apology

The very notion of asking for an apology implicates a dubious intent. Remember the closest thing to an apology we received was a statement by Musharraf when he visited BD and that occured when BNP was in power and BNP never asked for one.

 

[Mattrixx]

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