Sexual warfare in Indian Occupied Kashmir

[nik141993]

Pakistani & there lies after recent news of girl molestation being busted as fake i was expecting something like this from across the border

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Indians are literally raping Kashmiris, and it is only going to have a violent end. There is a reason why people had to go and crush them in Delhi.

Bring it on ; our Tanks are always ready to roll into Pakistan

Indian Army is SO MUCH STRONGER than Pakistan Army

PDF members neither know nor understand the difference between the
strengths of The two countries

 

[IndoCarib]

May such a fate befall on you so that you understand the pain suffered by this man.

Imaginary fate befall on imaginary people. Let him weave baskets instead of sexual warfare stories.

See comment #13

 

[Osiris]

Occupied Kashmir is a hallmark of Indian brutality and general psyche of british colonial educated Hindu elites.




There was NO genocide or attempt of genocide in BD. The genocide story only exist in your head which is a Indo-awami concocted myth and nothing more.

Ya ..I am sure Bihari like you will know all about it. Werent you people major collaborators of Pakistani army, when conducting those crimes?

there were more Indian soldiers in BD than Pakistanis, so the truth is whenever there are Indians there is rape and genocide

Indian soldiers were there for 14 days, west Pakistani soldiers were there for 7 months.

Lol,

At the number of women / soldier the begaladeshis are claiming
it's not a genocide, its like the world's record for sexual performance.

PS: after Modi's admittance are the claims and numbers believable ?

Women and soldiers of Bangladesh claiming not genocide? Are you talking about your Razzakars?

That was 45 years ago. Indian army has been stained with massacres, genocide, sexual harassment, rapes, suicides and ect... since it was born.

It committed its first genocide in 1948 and hasnt stopped there. Its own PM instigated a massacre.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24159594

and to this day you hear news of molestation, rapes, killings, and ect... commited by the Indian army.

Doesn't matter if it is 45 years ago or 450 years ago. Firstly do you accept, you committed a genocide in East pakistan.

Secondly what you did to punish your armed forces who were involved in these rapes and genocide?

Answer these questions honestly and I ll answer all your question about Indian army's rapes and massacres. Evade them as your people usually do, you ll get a similar response.

 

[Luffy 500]

Ya ..I am sure Bihari like you will know all about it. Werent you people major collaborators of Pakistani army, when conducting those crimes?

Good try. Do u even know anything abt BD or abt me to come to that conclusion? It seems you can only come up with one liners and shoot the messenger when run out of arguments. U have certain prejudice & preconceived stereotypical notions abt BD and as such they are bound to be wrong. The world is not black and white and BD like any other country is NOT politically homogeneous for u to make such stereotypical and ignorant assumptions. I am not a bihari btw. And even if i hypothetically was , i don't see what that has got to do with this thread.

 

[Srinivas]

Indians do Please do not reply to these threads, these are just cheap propaganda from Pakistanis.

The more you reply to these threads the more you are helping their cause, just see the title and ignore.

It is amusing some ISIS sympathizers are talking about human rights !

 

[Osiris]

Good try. Do u even know anything abt BD or abt me to come to that conclusion? It seems you can only come up with one liners and shoot the messenger when run out of arguments. It seems U have certain prejudice & preconceived stereotypical notions abt BD and as such they are bound to be wrong. The world is not black and white and BD like any other country is NOT politically homogeneous for u to make such stereotypical and ignorant assumptions. I am not a bihari btw. And even if i hypothetically was , i don't see what that has got to do with this thread.

Actually I do know a little about Bangladeshi ethnicities and who supported which side during the liberation war. Only two groups of people support Pakistan and try to cover up its armed force's crimes in East Pakistan.

One are Raazkar jamaats. who were involved int hose massacres along with Pakistani army and secondly were Biharis, who are more Pakistanis than Bangladeshis.

What it has got to do with this thread is ..

A Pakistani member commented, Indian memebers will never accept its own army's rapes and massacres, to which I answer is, do Pakistani members own up to its own army's rapes and genocide?

 

[Luffy 500]

Actually I do know a little about Bangladeshi ethnicities and who supported which side during the liberation war. Only two groups of people support Pakistan and try to cover up its armed force's crimes in East Pakistan.

One are Raazkar jamaats. who were involved int hose massacres along with Pakistani army and secondly were Biharis, who are more Pakistanis than Bangladeshis.

What it has got to do with this thread is ..

A Pakistani member commented, Indian memebers will never accept its own army's rapes and massacres, to which I answer is, do Pakistani members own up to its own army's rapes and genocide?

Pakistanis or any other human being with functioning brain and dignity have no reason to accept concocted myth pulled from indian rear-end , having 0 documented evidence. Massacre and rape in kashmir on the other hand , is well documented and Indians have a good track record of massacring minorities.This thread is abt IA crimes in kashmir and not Indian concocted myth in 71.

As for my political inclination, u can believe whatever keeps u at mental ease in that self-made cocoon of your.

 

[Osiris]

Pakistanis or any other human being with functioning brain and dignity have no reason to accept concocted myth pulled from indian rear-end , having 0 documented evidence. Massacre and rape in kashmir on the other hand , is well documented and Indians have a good track record of massacring minorities.This thread is abt IA crimes in kashmir and not Indian concocted myth in 71.

As for my political inclination, u can believe whatever keeps u at mental ease in that self-made cocoon of your.

Well if it is concocted myth, can you tell us what are these non Indian media house from BBC and NBC talking about?

As far documented evidence a genocide is concerned ,What was blood telegram?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...475130-1fc9-11e3-b7d1-7153ad47b549_story.html


http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB79/BEBB8.pdf


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/books/review/the-blood-telegram-by-gary-j-bass.html?_r=0

This thread is about army crimes against its own civilians, so why single out Indian army, first own up to your own army's massacres and rapes and then and only then you will be on moral high ground, to accuse Indian army in Kashmir.

 

[EAK]

Do Pakistanis admit to Bangladeshi genocide ?

Hamood-ur-rehman commision report ..Chapter 2 ..some points just to help retards like you ..enjoy and reconsider that swami education
32. According to the Bangladesh authorities, the Pakistan Army was responsible for killing three million Bengalis and raping 200,000 East Pakistani women. It does not need any elaborate argument to see that these figures are obviously highly exaggerated. So much damage could not have been caused by the entire strength of the Pakistan Army then stationed in East Pakistan even if it had nothing else to do. In fact, however, the army was constantly engaged in fighting the Mukti Bahini, the Indian infiltrators, and later the Indian army. It has also the task of running the civil administration, maintaining communications and feeding 70 million people of East Pakistan. It is, therefore, clear that the figures mentioned by the Dacca authorities are altogether fantastic and fanciful.

33. Different figures were mentioned by different persons in authority but the latest statement supplied to us by the GHQ shows approximately 26,000 persons killed during the action by the Pakistan Army. This figure is based on situation reports submitted from time to time by the Eastern Command to the General Headquarters. It is possible that even these figures may contain an element of exaggeration as the lower formations may have magnified their own achievements in quelling the rebellion. However, in the absence of any other reliable date, the Commission is of the view that the latest figure supplied by the GHQ should be accepted. An important consideration which has influenced us in accepting this figure as reasonably correct is the fact that the reports were sent from East Pakistan to GHQ at a time when the Army Officers in East Pakistan could have had no notion whatsoever of any accountability in this behalf.

34. The falsity of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's repeated allegation that Pakistani troops had raped 200,000 Bengali girls in 1971 was borne out when the abortion team he had commissioned from Britain in early 1972 found that its workload involved the termination of only a hundred or more pregnancies.

 

[Jackdaws]

Unfortunately, I can't agree with the Indian posters here. Most of this is probably true. Similar tactics were used against Sikhs in the 1980s. I am not surprised to read that they were used in the 1990s against Kashmiris. It had obviously become tougher for Armies to act with such brazenness in the digital age. The Indian Army did not exactly cover itself in glory in Lanka during the ill-fated IPKFL days. If I remember right - the only thing the Sinhala Govt. and the LTTE ever agreed upon was to ask the Indian Army to withdraw. It was India's Vietnam. I spoke to some Kashmiris and they had similar stories.

At the same time - I have two points -

The local population hounded the Pandits out - they were told to leave or that their women will be raped.

Some moron Indian politician or bureaucrat had the brainwave of reforming captured terrorists by making them quasi-police. Apparently, those guys were animals and were worse than the Army.

I know the Indian Army is a Holy Cow for most Indians posting here - but facts don't change.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Unfortunately, I can't agree with the Indian posters here. Most of this is probably true. Similar tactics were used against Sikhs in the 1980s. I am not surprised to read that they were used in the 1990s against Kashmiris. It had obviously become tougher for Armies to act with such brazenness in the digital age. The Indian Army did not exactly cover itself in glory in Lanka during the ill-fated IPKFL days. If I remember right - the only thing the Sinhala Govt. and the LTTE ever agreed upon was to ask the Indian Army to withdraw. It was India's Vietnam. I spoke to some Kashmiris and they had similar stories.

At the same time - I have two points -

The local population hounded the Pandits out - they were told to leave or that their women will be raped.

Some moron Indian politician or bureaucrat had the brainwave of reforming captured terrorists by making them quasi-police. Apparently, those guys were animals and were worse than the Army.

I know the Indian Army is a Holy Cow for most Indians posting here - but facts don't change.

You are absolutely right

But when they point fingers at us ; it is like the POT calling the Kettle black
They have much worse record than us in Human Rights violations and it is still on going
in their own country

The Nineties was a bad decade ; we had to crush the rebellion NO matter what

Inspite of all that has happened ; Kashmir is a prosperous state due to the
enormous funds that we have spent there

And kashmiris will have to accept the reality of Indian occupation

Other wise they will never be at peace

 

[Jackdaws]

You are absolutely right

But when they point fingers at us ; it is like the POT calling the Kettle black
They have much worse record than us in Human Rights violations and it is still on going
in their own country

The Nineties was a bad decade ; we had to crush the rebellion NO matter what

Inspite of all that has happened ; Kashmir is a prosperous state due to the
enormous funds that we have spent there

And kashmiris will have to accept the reality of Indian occupation

Other wise they will never be at peace

I think giving them some form of autonomy within the Union is ideal like Wales is in the UK. And we probably not compare ourselves to them - perhaps our standard needs to be higher. I guess there was no other option in the 1990s. But when I was 20 or so and my Kashmiri friend in Uni in USA told me that his older brother was picked up by the Army and tortured because he refused to hand over his watch to some cop - I was shocked that something like this happens in India. A Kashmiri Pandit told me that after his family was driven out of the valley - when they returned, their entire ancestral home had been taken over by some Army honcho.

India has poured a lot in Kashmir. Integration is a two way street. Kashmiris felt closer to India after the crazy times ended. After Kashmiris were educated and got jobs in Bangalore. After they got cell phones. After the tourists began to return.

 

[Osiris]

Hamood-ur-rehman commision report ..Chapter 2 ..some points just to help retards like you ..enjoy and reconsider that swami education
32. According to the Bangladesh authorities, the Pakistan Army was responsible for killing three million Bengalis and raping 200,000 East Pakistani women. It does not need any elaborate argument to see that these figures are obviously highly exaggerated. So much damage could not have been caused by the entire strength of the Pakistan Army then stationed in East Pakistan even if it had nothing else to do. In fact, however, the army was constantly engaged in fighting the Mukti Bahini, the Indian infiltrators, and later the Indian army. It has also the task of running the civil administration, maintaining communications and feeding 70 million people of East Pakistan. It is, therefore, clear that the figures mentioned by the Dacca authorities are altogether fantastic and fanciful.

33. Different figures were mentioned by different persons in authority but the latest statement supplied to us by the GHQ shows approximately 26,000 persons killed during the action by the Pakistan Army. This figure is based on situation reports submitted from time to time by the Eastern Command to the General Headquarters. It is possible that even these figures may contain an element of exaggeration as the lower formations may have magnified their own achievements in quelling the rebellion. However, in the absence of any other reliable date, the Commission is of the view that the latest figure supplied by the GHQ should be accepted. An important consideration which has influenced us in accepting this figure as reasonably correct is the fact that the reports were sent from East Pakistan to GHQ at a time when the Army Officers in East Pakistan could have had no notion whatsoever of any accountability in this behalf.

34. The falsity of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's repeated allegation that Pakistani troops had raped 200,000 Bengali girls in 1971 was borne out when the abortion team he had commissioned from Britain in early 1972 found that its workload involved the termination of only a hundred or more pregnancies.

Hmm Hamood-ur-rehman commission report, isnt this the same report, which at first Pakistani goverment tried to hide it , then for next three decades, it claimed , it had managed to loose the only copy of the report.

Then some how the report was stolen was from one of the safes in GHQ pindi and released to public.

I agree Bangladeshis exaggerated the numbers killed and raped, just like how Hamood-ur-rehman commission report undervalued the numbers killed and totally ignored the rapes.


But Here is what neutral sources, which also happen to be Pakistan's staunchest allies said at that time.

US state department estimated approximately three hundred thousand were killed by Pakistani army.



"Apparently no precise figure is available for the deaths, but Bass cites a CIA and State Department estimate of about 200,000 midway through the killing."

"With the White House averting its eyes, the largely Muslim Pakistani Army killed at least 300,000 Bengalis, most of them Hindus, and forced 10 million to flee to India. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...475130-1fc9-11e3-b7d1-7153ad47b549_story.html

If this isn't a genocide, then what??!!

 

[Stephen Cohen]

I think giving them some form of autonomy within the Union is ideal like Wales is in the UK. And we probably not compare ourselves to them - perhaps our standard needs to be higher. I guess there was no other option in the 1990s. But when I was 20 or so and my Kashmiri friend in Uni in USA told me that his older brother was picked up by the Army and tortured because he refused to hand over his watch to some cop - I was shocked that something like this happens in India. A Kashmiri Pandit told me that after his family was driven out of the valley - when they returned, their entire ancestral home had been taken over by some Army honcho.

India has poured a lot in Kashmir. Integration is a two way street. Kashmiris felt closer to India after the crazy times ended. After Kashmiris were educated and got jobs in Bangalore. After they got cell phones. After the tourists began to return.

Politically we cannot do anything more

This autonomy thing is like just opening a pandora's box

The whole country will start demanding this

The real problem is the MINDSET

They cannot get Pakistan out of their minds and hence we see PERIODIC Bursts
of violence ; hence we cannot lessen the NUMBER of Security forces
or as they say reduce the Military foot print

The geographical contiguity with Pakistan has messed their minds

It is a vicious circle

They agitate ; abuse India ; burn Indian flag
SO we have to keep Indian forces there

That makes them more angry ; though they remain subdued for a while
But the violence breaks out again

It is a question of mindset and attitude

However The security forces are VERY clear about the situation

If you remove AFSPA or withdraw the forces ; you will loose control of the state