Several people are dead in Paris attack

[salarsikander]

I can acquire a PIO or OCI card. I am eligible. I have chosen not to. What has this to do with this discussion ?

Hi,

Still doesn't make you an Indian citizen as compared to the who holds Indian nationality.

Oh this has everything to do with your irrelevant rants and logics by which you're senselessly in vain trying to say few UNislamic isis represents Islam

 

[Mr.WetPants]

please live in denial



you can face the facts or deny them



latin america, africa and east asia have transitioned from dictators to representative governments of varying degrees
the middle east is an exception to the tide

Please stop dropping one liners.

 

[Vortex]

please live in denial



you can face the facts or deny them



latin america, africa and east asia have transitioned from dictators to representative governments of varying degrees
the middle east is an exception to the tide

Were those Latinos and African dictator removed by military action like in Irak, Libya or Syria ?


Big NO

Democraty could only work when people are prepared for it.

Do you know How many people were killed in African's countries due to the rejection of the results of democratic elections?

 

[Dubious]

Those who claim France never harmed a fly:

French Africa
1967 Afars and Issas
1899 Alexandria PO
1924 Algeria
1892 Anjouan
1892 Benin

Cameroun
1922 Chad
1950 Comoro Is
1899 Dahomey
1890 Diego Suarez

Ethiopia PO
1946 Fezzan
1891 French Congo
1936 French Equatorial Africa
1892 French Guinea
1891 French Morocco
1914 French Morocco
1894 French Sudan
1944 French West Africa
1886 Gabon
1949 Ghadames
1897 Grand Comoro
1892 Ivory Coast

Madagascar PO
1889 Madagascar
1895 Majunga
1906 Mauritania
1892 Mayotte
1907 Middle Congo
1906 Mohéli

Morocco (Sherifian Post)
1921 Niger
1889 Nossi-Bé
1892 Obock
1899 Port Said PO
1852 Reunion
1894 Ste Marie de Madagascar
1887 Senegal
1903 Senegambia and Niger
1902 Somali Coast
1918 Tangier PO
1921 Togo
1888 Tunisia
1922 Ubangi-Shari
1915 Ubangi-Shari-Chad
1906 Upper Senegal and Niger
1920 Upper Volta
1894 Zanzibar PO

French Americas
1886 French Guiana
1884 Guadeloupe
1932 Inini
1886 Martinique
1885 St Pierre and Miquelon

French Asia
1888 Annam and Tonkin
1951 Cambodia
1901 Canton, PO
1894 China, PO
1902 China, Indo-Chinese PO
1893 Chunking
1886 Cochin China
1892 French Indian Settlements
1901 Hoi-Hao
1889 Indo-China
1906 Kouang Tcheou
1951 Laos
Mengtsz
Pakhoi
1903 Yunnan-Fu

French Europe
1931 Andorra French Administration
1947 French Occupied Baden
1945 French Zone of Germany (general)
1919 French Occupied Hungary
Memel
1947 French Occupied Rhineland Palatinate
1947 Saar (French Occupation)
1947 French Occupied Württemberg

French Middle East
1925 Alaouites
1938 Alexandretta
1920 Castelrosso
1893 Cavalla
1919 Cilicia
1902 POs in Crete
1893 Dedeagatz (Dedeagh)
1942 Free French Forces, Levant
Jerusalem
1931 Latakia
1924 Lebanon
1885 French Levant (POs in Turkish Empire)
1893 Port Lagos
1916 Rouad Island
1919 Syria
1893 Vathy

French Pacifics and Antarctic
1958 French Polynesia
1892 Oceania
1955 French Southern & Antarctic Territories
1859 New Caledonia
1908 New Hebrides
1882 Tahiti
1920 Wallis and Futuna Is


From 1890s they have been at war with someone or another....that is more than 100 yrs of ruining lives!

 

[Vortex]

Akheilis, every empire in the history did the same.... France is not alone.

Unfortunately the same things will be done again and again... It is the Battle for Leadership, for domination...

 

[Dubious]

Akheilis, every empire in the history did the same.... France is not alone.

Unfortunately the same things will be done again and again... It is the Battle for Leadership, for domination...

I am aware....That post is for the denial train that passes PDF every now and then claiming France has NEVER done anything "wrong"

2ndly, the last such thing was in 1967 - People grown up around that time are still alive and if not the children of that generation still live while stories of what happened to their parents (not ancestors) still rings in the brain!

Psychologist in the West when a white kid does a crime -He had a tough past, drunk parents / abusive parents and what not..so he became bad without guidance...

Now extrapolate that to any Black, yellow, green, brown or orange kid!

 

[Vortex]

I fully agree with you

 

[rockstar08]

Those who claim France never harmed a fly:

French Africa
1967 Afars and Issas
1899 Alexandria PO
1924 Algeria
1892 Anjouan
1892 Benin

Cameroun
1922 Chad
1950 Comoro Is
1899 Dahomey
1890 Diego Suarez

Ethiopia PO
1946 Fezzan
1891 French Congo
1936 French Equatorial Africa
1892 French Guinea
1891 French Morocco
1914 French Morocco
1894 French Sudan
1944 French West Africa
1886 Gabon
1949 Ghadames
1897 Grand Comoro
1892 Ivory Coast

Madagascar PO
1889 Madagascar
1895 Majunga
1906 Mauritania
1892 Mayotte
1907 Middle Congo
1906 Mohéli

Morocco (Sherifian Post)
1921 Niger
1889 Nossi-Bé
1892 Obock
1899 Port Said PO
1852 Reunion
1894 Ste Marie de Madagascar
1887 Senegal
1903 Senegambia and Niger
1902 Somali Coast
1918 Tangier PO
1921 Togo
1888 Tunisia
1922 Ubangi-Shari
1915 Ubangi-Shari-Chad
1906 Upper Senegal and Niger
1920 Upper Volta
1894 Zanzibar PO

French Americas
1886 French Guiana
1884 Guadeloupe
1932 Inini
1886 Martinique
1885 St Pierre and Miquelon

French Asia
1888 Annam and Tonkin
1951 Cambodia
1901 Canton, PO
1894 China, PO
1902 China, Indo-Chinese PO
1893 Chunking
1886 Cochin China
1892 French Indian Settlements
1901 Hoi-Hao
1889 Indo-China
1906 Kouang Tcheou
1951 Laos
Mengtsz
Pakhoi
1903 Yunnan-Fu

French Europe
1931 Andorra French Administration
1947 French Occupied Baden
1945 French Zone of Germany (general)
1919 French Occupied Hungary
Memel
1947 French Occupied Rhineland Palatinate
1947 Saar (French Occupation)
1947 French Occupied Württemberg

French Middle East
1925 Alaouites
1938 Alexandretta
1920 Castelrosso
1893 Cavalla
1919 Cilicia
1902 POs in Crete
1893 Dedeagatz (Dedeagh)
1942 Free French Forces, Levant
Jerusalem
1931 Latakia
1924 Lebanon
1885 French Levant (POs in Turkish Empire)
1893 Port Lagos
1916 Rouad Island
1919 Syria
1893 Vathy

French Pacifics and Antarctic
1958 French Polynesia
1892 Oceania
1955 French Southern & Antarctic Territories
1859 New Caledonia
1908 New Hebrides
1882 Tahiti
1920 Wallis and Futuna Is


From 1890s they have been at war with someone or another....that is more than 100 yrs of ruining lives!

I don't see any problem with it .. you are a Muslim so you know that our prophet and later the Rashidun Caliphate also in state of war with Persian and Byzantine empire ? its all about Power , when we have power we attack others , and now they have power so they are attacking others ..

 

[Dubious]

I don't see any problem with it .. you are a Muslim so you know that our prophet and later the Rashidun Caliphate also in state of war with Persian and Byzantine empire ? its all about Power , when we have power we attack others , and now they have power so they are attacking others ..

History is written by the winners.....

Yes there was war...almost every other "empire" was in a state of war!

 

[rockstar08]

History is written by the winners.....

Yes there was war...almost every other "empire" was in a state of war!

yeah right , so why we Muslims are crying over US wars in ME ? didn't we did the same things in mecca 1400 years ago ?
remove a existing System to bring a new one ? once Prophet had Power and Force he take the Mecca .. and later we expand it Byzantine and Persia .. we fought and take over lands .... so now the West have the power and force .. they are doing the same thing , removing the System and bring their own ..
so what i believe that Muslims should educate and understand , make themselves stronger , and once they are they can attack the west as west did ..
Jis ki Laathi uski bhains

 

[Dubious]

yeah right , so why we Muslims are crying over US wars in ME ? didn't we did the same things in mecca 1400 years ago ?

1400 yrs and today :

Era is different
Weapons are different
We did ground attack where your might is challenged not your destructive force!
There was no oil to fight for....

However, are we still living in that era? If yes then why call West progressive? What have they progressed from?

once Prophet had Power and Force he take the Mecca .. and later we expand it Byzantine and Persia .. we fought and take over lands .... so now the West have the power and force .. they are doing the same thing , removing the System and bring their own ..

Again:
Era is different
Weapons are different

why call West progressive? What have they progressed from? You are comparing 1400 yrs ago....if we havent progressed from that than Hitler is justified he came after 1400 yrs no?

so what i believe that Muslims should educate and understand , make themselves stronger , and once they are they can attack the west as west did ..
Jis ki Laathi uski bhains

Fire never fights fire!

So far we are still stuck and fighting among ourselves! Not until Iran , Saudi and Turkey spit their nationalism we wont be united!

 

[rockstar08]

1400 yrs and today :

Era is different
Weapons are different
We did ground attack where your might is challenged not your destructive force!
There was no oil to fight for....

However, are we still living in that era? If yes then why call West progressive? What have they progressed from?

its called Stakes , the stakes in 14th century were different ..
an army with Swords and Shields were as much as destructive as EU today with Missiles ...
the armies that have marched for war's does not spare anyone .. you and i we know that ..yeah there were incidents where Muslims shows mercy but again , its that yesterday it was our day , today its theirs ..

Again:
Era is different
Weapons are different

why call West progressive? What have they progressed from? You are comparing 1400 yrs ago....if we havent progressed from that than Hitler is justified he came after 1400 yrs no?

Era and Weapons is itself progress , 14th century people were getting beheaded so as today ...
if you see around things dont actually change much ..
Hitler was right in the argument of that he think his race is above all , like Religions fighter over supremacy , and Today US is destroying countries for Democraxy..
Hitler Nazi's is a taboo because Israeli's have pushed it deep in the throats of the German's and Europeans .. and they still feel sorry for what happen with Jews in WW2 .. and with this B!tching , EU and west becomes blind that Today the Israel is doing exactly the same thing which Hilter did with their Ancestors ..

Fire never fights fire!

So far we are still stuck and fighting among ourselves! Not until Iran , Saudi and Turkey spit their nationalism we wont be united!

I agree fire can not fight with fire , but in today's world , everyone is fire , no one is actually water ..
Iran , Turkey and KSA even if they put their nationalism and Sectarian aside , there is still no way you can Unite Muslims under one banner , the Shariah System has failed miserably after the death of Prophet .. and the Caliphate ..
Even if we believe in return of Imam Mehdi and etc, that era will still be the same , the sect which will have more soldiers will dominate , and those who will dominate will claim to be the heavenly army ..

 

[Dubious]

Era and Weapons is itself progress , 14th century people were getting beheaded so as today ...
if you see around things dont actually change much ..
Hitler was right in the argument of that he think his race is above all , like Religions fighter over supremacy , and Today US is destroying countries for Democraxy..
Hitler Nazi's is a taboo because Israeli's have pushed it deep in the throats of the German's and Europeans .. and they still feel sorry for what happen with Jews in WW2 .. and with this B!tching , EU and west becomes blind that Today the Israel is doing exactly the same thing which Hilter did with their Ancestors ..

if you look around things have changed...Back then when prisoners were taken they werent brutalized....as our laws say no harm to the women, children, those who surrender, the animals and many other rules which today's barbarians dont follow!

Iran , Turkey and KSA even if they put their nationalism and Sectarian aside , there is still no way you can Unite Muslims under one banner

We wont know until we try! 1 STEP at a time! yeh tou ho jai then see! but hoay ga hi nai coz nationalism has overpowered religion it was how they got soo many states out of the middle east!

the Shariah System has failed miserably after the death of Prophet

The system just like any law system is / was supposed to be dynamic...Do you know during Caliphate there was always a research unit where the laws were modified based on society...Not everything can be modified only things which are not clear in the Quran or things where examples were not set were discussed and added....OUR UNPAR jahil stopped doing that when we started following unpar jahil who know not the history nor how to research

Even if we believe in return of Imam Mehdi and etc, that era will still be the same , the sect which will have more soldiers will dominate , and those who will dominate will claim to be the heavenly army ..

I have no comment on this....it will turn into a troll feast

 

[rockstar08]

if you look around things have changed...Back then when prisoners were taken they werent brutalized....as our laws say no harm to the women, children, those who surrender, the animals and many other rules which today's barbarians dont follow!

I am not talking about Barbarians , i am talking about Countries and their Armies ..
I wont expect any mercy from terrorist anyway..
well lets disagree cause i have a example from the Companions of Prophet where a leader was beheaded , after captured .

We wont know until we try! 1 STEP at a time! yeh tou ho jai then see! but hoay ga hi nai coz nationalism has overpowered religion it was how they got soo many states out of the middle east!

Religion itself is divided , so i rather be a Nationalist than a religious lunatic who will kill others because they follow a different sect ..

The system just like any law system is / was supposed to be dynamic...Do you know during Caliphate there was always a research unit where the laws were modified based on society...Not everything can be modified only things which are not clear in the Quran or things where examples were not set were discussed and added....OUR UNPAR jahil stopped doing that when we started following unpar jahil who know not the history nor how to research

does not matter .. the System was failed , right after the death of Prophet , Abu bakr has ordered to Retaliate against a clan who refused to pay Zakat , and there is no clear Order in the Quran to fight those who does not pay Zakat ( for Muslims ) ..Umar ibn khataab was assassinated , so as Uthmans and Ali R.A to all ..
when it comes to religion no one gives importance to education anyway ..

I have no comment on this....it will turn into a troll feast

ok fair enough

 

[wiseone2]

Were those Latinos and African dictator removed by military action like in Irak, Libya or Syria ?


Big NO

Democraty could only work when people are prepared for it.

Do you know How many people were killed in African's countries due to the rejection of the results of democratic elections?

In most cases pressure was economic and diplomatic
The dictator in Panama were removed by force.
Liberia, Sierra Leone are under effect occupation by UN forces