the Simple answer is yes , a fitna rise from within a Muslims , is actually a reactive act by the people who disagree with you , and when they cant openly express their views and fight with you they secretly scheme .. removing a Existing System and putting your system , not all were happy nor accept Islam , but Prophet leave that Matter to Allah only , example was Abu Sufiyan , even after he Converted to Islam his schemes never stopped ... but even if Prophet knew his intention he left him to be judged by Allah only .. cause Its not Prophet's domain to Judge people and revel what's in your heart .. cause we have seen in mecca the most despicable enemies of Prophet later become the ideal figures in Islam .. Umar ibn Khattab two times decided to assassinate the Prophet and later he become one of the most influential figures in Islam.
I didnt ask who is to judge of course only ALLAH....
BUT when you say someone is doing fitna then you are already judging him/ her for doing their fitnah
The best thing is to invite one to your dean then stop no forcing...Inviting and forcing has a clear line!
was that a question cause i am confused ?
You gave example of Rashudin Khalif...Sorry I read that as Abassaid Khalif (I am having hot chocolate and just skimming)
Uthman put his family and friends in positions....
Everyone makes mistakes coz they are humans....BUT to judge like you said is not upto us
nor i believe implementing Shariah will change the sick minds of Muslims over the night, but there are people like Zarvan and my friend who believe that Shairah is answer to all Problems
It is 1 answer but prob not the only...
Over time, the west from saying "the woman is dirty and bears labour pain coz of what Hawa did to Adam" to feminism on their own...Had they started with the rights of the woman as in Islam we wouldnt have needed that extreme change...
You see everyone has their own idea of what is good and bad...Who is right? Whose law should one follow? Where do you draw the limit? France didnt draw any line between bigotry and freedom....Should we follow that path? Should we have nude beaches like Scandinavia?
This is why many find Shariah the solution as MOST of the laws are balanced (esp those from Quran)
I believe in " Islaah ' of people within our society , once you have create a better society that have love , tolerance , peace , justice and equality, people will bring a system that will lead them to progress ..
You do know Shariah allows Islah...That is what I meant when I said :
The system just like any law system is / was supposed to be dynamic...Do you know during Caliphate there was always a research unit where the laws were modified based on society...Not everything can be modified only things which are not clear in the Quran or things where examples were not set were discussed and added....OUR UNPAR jahil stopped doing that when we started following unpar jahil who know not the history nor how to research
Either you live in palace or not , the point is that the system they were following is a failed one
Well, if you are living in a palace and not following the system how can you blame the system?
System says equality...You live in a palace made of gold and keep building such palaces and giving them to your children...Now tell me which system was being applied and how can one not used be failed?
Islam was spread by the help of Sword
OMG! Child get an education quick before its too late!
Facts speak for themselves
Opinion of historian De Lacy O’Leary
The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O’Leary in the book "Islam at the cross road" (Page 8): "History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated."
Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years
Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.
14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians
Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall,
the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today,
there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations.
If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.
More than 80% non-Muslims in India
The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than
80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing
witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword.
Indonesia and Malaysia
Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask,
"Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?"
East Coast of Africa
Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword,
"Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?"
Thomas Carlyle
The famous
historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book "Heroes and Hero worship", refers to this
misconception about the spread of Islam: "
The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can."
Uthman has put his relatives in offices still you can not openly say he was wrong ,
If you cant openly say it how is it well known?
considered a Blasphemy and someone will kill you for that
No one is going to kill you for it except a jahil! It is openly thought .....if not how is it well known? Wouldnt people who knew it in the 6th century have died with this "secret"?
but its my right to disagree , they are men like us , who will be help accountable , unlike prophets they are not immune to sins and mistakes .. and if they add some ruling to a system which later adopted by Muslims claiming to be ruling of Allah is literally stupid .
Fair enough but if you try to compare their "addition" based on "today's era" you will also look like a stupid...Coz most of the time they added for their time / situation as I said earlier Shariah was / is dynamic and it was adjustable hence why we have 4 main fiqh/ imam!
now call me a kid or deny this fact 
