Separation of Mosque and State

[Moonlight]

Oppressed?
Then how come 90% of the population is Muslim,we had 82,363 mosques in 2013,is that oppression?
You really should do the research yourself,instead of listening to others( i think).

Wow,really do you really believe that?
Lets ask @HAKIKAT ,he is a religious person.

So you mind explaining this to me? Sir.


Secondly, being Muslim is one thing but letting them not practice their deen is another.
You can NOT forcefully take out "La illah" from a person's heart.
And another thing, I said when Turkiye was under secularism. It still is?

 

[Hyde]

This is what i dont get in Pakistan,why become extremist secular(never heard of it before) and what does that mean ''extremist secular''?
What is different from a normal secular person?

The difference is quite simple

In an attempt to prove loyalty to secularism, they bash religion for no reason.

Most so-called seculars on PDF I have met in 8-10 years are usually confused people who want to vent their anger out for religion in disguise of secularism. They are very much like opposite of militant religious fanatics who knows nothing but to hate in the name of religion

If stating plain facts offends someone, how's it my fault ?

How many in Pakistan have died because of Islamism, in recent years ? 80,000 ? How many more will have to die before we are "allowed" to even speak against it ?

There is nothing wrong to challenge the mindset but you can only win the argument with wisdom. By offending others with statements like Islamism kills and Secularism doesn't you are doing no favour to yourself and will only engage in mudslinging rather than any constructive debate of logic

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

And they have killed the most number of people in the world as well. Start with Hitler and move to Stalin and Pol Pot. Real peaceful lot!

Did Hitler call himself secular? or Pol pot or Stalin? Or even Mao? They didnt separate religion from state but oppressed and tried to destroy it.

 

[T-123456]

So you mind explaining this to me? Sir.

Dont believe everything you hear see or read on internet.
You are young,i hope that some day,you will visit my country,see and ask the people yourself,ask them everywhere,in cities and in villages.

Secondly, being Muslim is one thing but letting them not practice their deen is another.
You can NOT forcefully take out "La illah" from a person's heart.

In my country every person has the right to practice his/her deen(din in Turkish).
Nobody in the world has the power to take out ''La illah'' from a persons heart.

And another thing, I said when Turkiye was under secularism. It still is?

Yes,my country is secular since 1923,and yes the 15 years of Erdogan in charge has not changed the ruling system.
It is still called the Turkish Republic'',a secular state.
You must not confuse secularism with secular extremists in Pakistan.

The difference is quite simple

In an attempt to prove loyalty to secularism, they bash religion for no reason.

Most so-called seculars on PDF I have met in 8-10 years are usually confused people who want to vent their anger out for religion in disguise of secularism. They are very much like opposite of militant religious fanatics who knows nothing but to hate in the name of religion

Then you(those who know the difference) should explain that these secular extremist in Pakistan have nothing to do with secularism.

 

[Baba Google]

"La illah"

''La illah''

im sorry, what?

 

[T-123456]

im sorry, what?

And you are the imam who is going to teach us what to write?
La ilahe illallah

 

[Moonlight]

Dont believe everything you hear see or read on internet.
You are young,im hope that some day,you will visit my country,see and ask the people yourself,ask them everywhere,in cities and in villages.

Did you watch it? Well it's not everything on social media. But told by a person who has helped Islam a lot. And in very crucial time. It was not to show the ugly face of secularism but to simply explain Islam has gone through a lot. So I don't find it wrong.

In my country every person has the right to practice his/her deen(din in Turkish).
Nobody in the world has the power to take out ''La illah'' from a persons heart.

Of course it is allowed now. After all, Turkiye is under parliamentarian system now. That is why I said, when it was under secular system.

Yes,my country is secular since 1923,and yes the 15 years of Erdogan in charge has not changed the ruling system.
It is still called the Turkish Republic'',a secular state.
You must not confuse secularism with secular extremists in Pakistan

Sir, for sure you know better than me about Turkiye. My post was not to offend anyone. And to support my argument, I shared this video.

im sorry, what?

That is NOT even funny.

 

[The Sandman]

im sorry, what?

What's so funny in it?

 

[T-123456]

Of course it is allowed now. After all, Turkiye is under parliamentarian system now. That is why I said, when it was under secular system.

Since 1923 you have the right to practice whatever religion you want in my country.( )
We dont have a parliamentarian system
Still secular system
I watched and its a biased view,he was talking about the time when the republic was created.
Those were different with lots of power hungry extremist Mullahs.

Sir, for sure you know better than me about Turkiye. My post was no offend anyone. And to support my argument, I shared this video.

Dont worry about it.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Secularism has failed as a system.

Nice joke. All the failed countries are France, UK, Germany, USA. Pakistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia are a shining example of humanity.

 

[Moonlight]

Since 1923 you have the right to practice whatever religion you want in my country.( )
We dont have a parliamentarian system
Still secular system


Dont worry about it.

But I have researched a little bit on Turkish Government System and no where it says, "Secular" but what I have come across is, Parliamentary democracy with free market economy since 29 October 1923.


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[T-123456]

But I have researched a little bit on Turkish Government System and no where it says, "Secular" but what I have come across is, Parliamentary democracy with free market economy since 29 October 1923.


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The Secular system is a parliamentary democracy.

 

[Moonlight]

The Secular system is a parliamentary democracy.

Ok. Thanks. Still learning....

What's so funny in it?

He must be very bored...

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

Secularism has failed as a system.

it represent an extreme of it s own.
there is no darmiani zameen anywhere.

 

[Hyde]

Nice joke. All the failed countries are France, UK, Germany, USA. Pakistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia are a shining example of humanity.

When did UK become a secular state?