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Implied that it somehow aligns with Pakistan's security apparatus while on the contrary Pakistan has claimed Iran to be an extension of her own security and has given a clear statement regarding any such notion with respect to regime changes as a fundamental state policy.
It doesn't imply anything of the sort, and even if that is how you interpreted it, I've clarified it further in subsequent posts.

Conveying a stern message to Iran isn't as same as going to a full fledged war. Keeping in view the security challenges it continues to pose for Pakistan, Pakistan can no longer afford to play friendly neighbour with Iran when it's devious intentions are out in the open.
What exactly is a 'stern' message? A diplomatic 'dressing down'?

You deleting my post signifies exactly what it pointed out. Sorry but I will be raising that issue with the administrators.
Your posts that were deleted were trolling and flamebait. The thread is open and there are serious, polite discussions going on without sectarian trolling thrown in by most members.

Raise it with whomever you want. My decision stands.
 
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How criticising Iran amounts to sectarianism? You let your personal biases cloud your moderation.
@WebMaster Please bear witness to his flawed application of forum rules.
This entire thread is a criticism of Iran - you really don't realize how absurd your accusation is do you?

And this is the last post on this subject. Raise whatever issues you have in the relevant forum, not here.
 
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Ironically, US goals in terms of 'Regime Change' in Iran align with Pakistan's longer term national security concerns.

Iran's influence over the world's Shia exists because of the standing of the Iranian religious leadership. The Iranian religious leadership has cleverly leveraged religious sentiment (through Shia reverence & respect for Shia religious sites and religious leadership) into support for the regime since they are one and the same. So long as the Iranian Mullah's continue to control the Iranian government, this is unlikely to change.
The Iranian regimes ulterior motives were clear In 1971 even before ceasing power in Iran when Khomeini asked his followers to use hajj gathering as political event and advertise him and his ideology.
Since then Shia Haji from Iran and other parts of the world had been going to hajj carrying lifesize posters of Khomeini and shouting political slogans.
Then the 1979 attempt of occupying holy Kaaba and annual clashes with Saudi security forces .
About safety of Shia sites. All sites have been there for over a thousand years and have been safe. Shia Iran was only created in 1979 and created this euphoria about a made-up danger to Shia holy sites which was never there. Plus creation of new "Holy sites" across Iran to make the entire country"Holy".
Plus the addition of the concept that loyalty to Iran is part of Shia faith and any Shia not loyal to Iran is not a Shia.
They achieve this by creating problems for shia in sunni majority country and then posing as saviours of Shia.
This hijacking of religion for power projection is on par with what the Vatican did to Christianity.
About Balochistan , Iranian motive in support of terrorism in Balochistan is due to large oil and gas reserves in the province. If the province becomes peaceful and Pakistan starts pumping oil and gas from there, Iran will get themselves a new regional competition in gas export.
This reason existed in Shah's Iran and support of unrest in Balochistan started soon after Sui gas exploration.
But Khomeini Iran's motives are two folds. Stop gas exploration in Balochistan and create a Shia government in every Muslim country including Pakistan .
 
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It doesn't imply anything of the sort, and even if that is how you interpreted it, I've clarified it further in subsequent posts.

Afghanistan is where the influence battle will be played out.

Iran and America do enjoy cordial relations in running Iraq and Afghanistan.

The hype is just too fake to be taken seriously.
 
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What is the solution for the peace in Baluchistan. For example, his brother was killed during operation clean up. Baluch separatist have strong lobby in Washington or Europe, time after time they invite govt officials. They got full backup of Afghans and Indian govt in all there programs.
Baluchistan problem need to be resolved. Pakistan and Iran been doing these operation against these tribes since 1970 and it never ends.
An ideology never dies with death of a person. Bughti death resolved the problem ? . Lots of TV channels call him the icon of democracy in Baluchistan.
 
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Iranian are working against Pakistan.
This Iranian revolution is actually a headache for Iran's Neighbours.
 
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I don't believe regime change is the goal for us brother. Iranians should be allowed to govern themselves the way they seem fit, as long as they do not bring their fangs against Pakistan.

This Iranian policy seems to be out of desperation for a complete and utter failure in Afghanistan.

Therefore, we should wait until Taliban comfortably esrablishes a government in Kabul before proceeding against Iran. We need to tackle this problem together with Afghanistan, it will apply more pressure and bear more results.

It is the US which wants regime change, but remember they hyped up Hasan Rouhani as a modernist, while they lamblasted a great man and non-sectarian, Mahmoud Ahmedi Nejad, as some kind of extremist, which he was not.

Iran has very complicated politics. You have technocrats, revolutionary guard, and clerics vying for power. There are still people in Iran who are opposed to this Sunni-Shia mayhem, so as Pakistanis/Afghans, we should be supporting these people into power.

The ultimatum should be given for Iran to kick Indians from Chahbahar, or prepare for war. I think Iran will backdown. Also we should discuss with Afghans, Arabs, and Turks to apply pressure at the same time to yield better results.

Why not use Solemani's own tactic of intimidation against them?

Ironically, US goals in terms of 'Regime Change' in Iran align with Pakistan's longer term national security concerns.

Iran's influence over the world's Shia exists because of the standing of the Iranian religious leadership. The Iranian religious leadership has cleverly leveraged religious sentiment (through Shia reverence & respect for Shia religious sites and religious leadership) into support for the regime since they are one and the same. So long as the Iranian Mullah's continue to control the Iranian government, this is unlikely to change.

Khomeini did what was right for Iran, don't blame him. It was those under him who usurped the revolution, and he was powerless to control them. Then they went after everyone who was part of the revolution but did not agree with their views.

Shah Pahlavi was a brutal dictator, who was just as backstabbing as the current Iranian government, if not more so.

The Iranian regimes ulterior motives were clear In 1971 even before ceasing power in Iran when Khomeini asked his followers to use hajj gathering as political event and advertise him and his ideology.
Since then Shia Haji from Iran and other parts of the world had been going to hajj carrying lifesize posters of Khomeini and shouting political slogans.
Then the 1979 attempt of occupying holy Kaaba and annual clashes with Saudi security forces .
About safety of Shia sites. All sites have been there for over a thousand years and have been safe. Shia Iran was only created in 1979 and created this euphoria about a made-up danger to Shia holy sites which was never there. Plus creation of new "Holy sites" across Iran to make the entire country"Holy".
Plus the addition of the concept that loyalty to Iran is part of Shia faith and any Shia not loyal to Iran is not a Shia.
They achieve this by creating problems for shia in sunni majority country and then posing as saviours of Shia.
This hijacking of religion for power projection is on par with what the Vatican did to Christianity.
About Balochistan , Iranian motive in support of terrorism in Balochistan is due to large oil and gas reserves in the province. If the province becomes peaceful and Pakistan starts pumping oil and gas from there, Iran will get themselves a new regional competition in gas export.
This reason existed in Shah's Iran and support of unrest in Balochistan started soon after Sui gas exploration.
But Khomeini Iran's motives are two folds. Stop gas exploration in Balochistan and create a Shia government in every Muslim country including Pakistan .
 
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Please "run your own race " and let Iran run hers...i can smell insecurities. If Iran is so crappy then just leave Iran alone.
Seems Like you really need to come out and show your flag colors, hoding behind US flag is of no good. secondly, leave Iran alone?
Please know that the world doesn't revolve around axis of Evil, Perhaps Khoemnu can stop begging Our PM to advocate on behalf of Iran to ease of the sanctions

Iran is playingh the "game " with Pakistan-
Iran can only backstab, and call it a game
 
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What is the solution for the peace in Baluchistan. For example, his brother was killed during operation clean up. Baluch separatist have strong lobby in Washington or Europe, time after time they invite govt officials. They got full backup of Afghans and Indian govt in all there programs.
Baluchistan problem need to be resolved. Pakistan and Iran been doing these operation against these tribes since 1970 and it never ends.
An ideology never dies with death of a person. Bughti death resolved the problem ? . Lots of TV channels call him the icon of democracy in Baluchistan.

I remember a line from the game Red Dead Redemption 2

We feed fellas that need feeding. We save fella that need saving and we kill fella that need killing

Same should be applied to Baluchistan. Those who want to give up this pipe dream of "free Baluchistan" should be welcomed. Spend money on them. Accept legitimate grievances. Make them part of Pakistani society

If all above doesn't work. Shoot them
 
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If Pakistan could not provide better life to its citizens than its neighbors, multiple 1971's will happen.
 
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If Pakistan could not provide better life to its citizens than its neighbors, multiple 1971's will happen.

Pakistan is now a unitary racial and religious country, mainly, with minimal to nonexistent Indian influence. 1971 cannot happen again.

Instead Pakistan will expand. Afghanistan, Kashmir, rest of Balochistan. It is only time.
 
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What is the solution for the peace in Baluchistan. For example, his brother was killed during operation clean up. Baluch separatist have strong lobby in Washington or Europe, time after time they invite govt officials. They got full backup of Afghans and Indian govt in all there programs.
Baluchistan problem need to be resolved. Pakistan and Iran been doing these operation against these tribes since 1970 and it never ends.
An ideology never dies with death of a person. Bughti death resolved the problem ? . Lots of TV channels call him the icon of democracy in Baluchistan.
Their so called struggle is for keeping smuggling business and routes open.
Construction of roads , schools or any state sponsored infrastructure will attract more involvement of the state in their smuggling areas and routes. Tribesmen who work as cannon fodder for their tribal lords who also happen to be cartels, will get educated and find other jobs and the Marri or Bugti drug cartels will have shortage of slave labour.
So it's better for them to keep the area as dangerous and as backwards as possible.
Iran failed miserably in stopping smuggling of Iranian diesel to Pakistan, in which Iranian border guards take their cut and don't have reason to stop it.
Then these Balochi lords are also sold out and will sell their souls to the highest bidder. That higher bidder is enemies of Pakistan, such as India and certain western countries.

If Pakistan could not provide better life to its citizens than its neighbors, multiple 1971's will happen.
1971 will never happen again.
That was 1100 km away with India sitting in the middle.
 
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