Seized Chinese Weapons Raise Concerns on Iran

[bigzgvr4]

Firing a MANPAD requires serious training, it's not something you pull the trigger and the thing goes off.

reallyand how would youknow just currious and FSA did bring down syrian aircraft i wonder where did they get the trigertime from

 

[Skull and Bones]

The modern manpads has the auto-lock function, if you have played the popcorn game like Call of Duty, you should know it.

For that one needs to activate the device and remove the cap on the IR seeker, and allow the seeker to lock on to the heat source. And wait for the aircraft to enter the no escape zone before firing it.

Not the things one would learn by playing Call of Duty.

And all IR seeking MANPADs has auto lock feature, Stingers should ring a bell.

reallyand how would youknow just currious and FSA did bring down syrian aircraft i wonder where did they get the trigertime from

My question exactly, who's supplying MANPADs and training to those rebels?

 

[Arabian Legend]

They are being capitalistic about it - but indirectly it fuels instability in many regions.

Not really sure if they are being capitalistic or Iran is behaving childly as usual!

 

[illusion8]

Not really sure if they are being capitalistic or Iran is behaving childly as usual!

Chinese arms are being increasingly found with rebels and insurgents - there is a huge quantity floating around in the Afg Pak region, Indian maoists are found with chinese weapons - I am sure they are present in Africa too. China should have some sort of a user control system on who buys and uses their arms.

 

[Arabian Legend]

For that one needs to activate the device and remove the cap on the IR seeker, and allow the seeker to lock on to the heat source. And wait for the aircraft to enter the no escape zone before firing it.

Not the things one would learn by playing Call of Duty.

And all IR seeking MANPADs has auto lock feature, Stingers should ring a bell.



My question exactly, who's supplying MANPADs and training to those rebels?

easy just aim and push the button

 

[KRAIT]

Maybe China should introduce something like 'End User Monitoring', as proliferation of MANPAD is a serious concern. And if i remember correctly, NORINCO agents were caught red handed trying to sell MANPADs to US drugs mafia.

Right now they won't. They want to become supplier of weapons to get essential control. And why blame China if middle eastern countries are directly getting weapons from US.

its the only way China can supply to Iran after sanctions. I don't think US is holier than thous when it comes to middle east.
China has all rights to defend its national interest to keep steady supply of Oil from Iran. Proxy wars have kept check on all out wars as it is less costly.

Chinese arms are being increasingly found with rebels and insurgents - there is a huge quantity floating around in the Afg Pak region, Indian maoists are found with chinese weapons - I am sure they are present in Africa too. China should have some sort of a user control system on who buys and uses their arms.

Buddy China is doing what every major country in the world do. Don't forget the biggest supporters of Dictators and War Criminals have been Western Countries. Its tit for tat response.

 

[Skull and Bones]

easy just aim and push the button

Not so easy, i have seen armed forces personnel training with Russian Igla's.

 

[Arabian Legend]

Chinese arms are being increasingly found with rebels and insurgents - there is a huge quantity floating around in the Afg Pak region, Indian maoists are found with chinese weapons - I am sure they are present in Africa too. China should have some sort of a user control system on who buys and uses their arms.

exactly and thats what i meant in OP however i don't think Chain gov is behind advertising of its weapons rather than misused by failed state like Iran, Yemen and other African nations

Not so easy, i have seen armed forces personnel training with Russian Igla's.

I have no idea dude to be honest I just watched a couple of videos and I don't think it requires hard training. only simple steps!

 

[illusion8]

funny how arabs are getting used by every country on earth and taken for fools and this wahabi Arabian Legend is acting like he's so above everyone else.

Typical ****** from the land of Osama and suicide bombers


US is using them, Iran is using them, Israel is using them, the Europeans are using them, the Russians and Chinese are using them...

You are right, Saudi Arabia actually doesn't have any authority or the moral high ground to question anybody

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...-step-up-help-rebels-syria-croatian-arms.html

 

[bigzgvr4]

Not so easy, i have seen armed forces personnel training with Russian Igla's.

ur wrong its easy TO use one they trianed us on AT-4 In basic training in one day with LIve fire exercise and I can Fire It today even iam outof the army for the past 2 years, what the armed personnel training does is that it encooperate different stratagies in terms of all aspect of air defence and holding the ground IN case of Militants its hit and run and a range estimation of the target Once the target is in range Just lock on which takes less then 2 seconds and SHoot and Get out of dodge thats why FSA which dont know nothing about soldiering Just Hit and Run tactics are causing problems for the syrians cuz they destroy one location when the shelling comes they get out then ambush then Get out then ambush and by the third ambush the Cop/fob is destroyed Thats why US have rangers they strictly train in ambush raids hit and run in jungle swap/water and mountains and urban So they can destroy militants and are quit successfull in iraq andafghanistan

 

[Skull and Bones]

I have no idea dude to be honest I just watched a couple of videos and I don't think it requires hard training. only simple steps!

Go through post #17 bro.

Most MANPADs have a fixed battery, and no provision to change them in the field. And to change the batteries, the MANPAD has to be sent to the factory.

So they cannot keep the system active for a long time, so intensive training is required to utilize the system at optimum level. In real combat, they have to pop up the lid over the active seeker, and activate the device and lock on to the target very quickly.

Something which is not possible without proper training.

 

[Abii]

You are right, Saudi Arabia actually doesn't have any authority or the moral high ground to question anybody

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...-step-up-help-rebels-syria-croatian-arms.html

These wahabis are like a cancerous tumour.

The whole world must work together against the menace of wahabism, jihadist, osamas, suicide bombers etc... In the future there will be a coalition of Eastern and Western nations against this cancer. Today all countries are working individually to eradicate this nasty disease. Russians, Europeans, Americans, Asians and even Africans are working hard.

The second oil runs out or becomes less impt to world economy than the whole world will join hands to kill this cancer.

 

[Skull and Bones]

ur wrong its easy TO use one they trianed us on AT-4 In basic training in one day with LIve fire exercise and I can Fire It today even iam outof the army for the past 2 years, what the armed personnel training does is that it encooperate different stratagies in terms of all aspect of air defence and holding the ground IN case of Militants its hit and run and a range estimation of the target Once the target is in range Just lock on which takes less then 2 seconds and SHoot and Get out of dodge thats why FSA which dont know nothing about soldiering Just Hit and Run tactics are causing problems for the syrians cuz they destroy one location when the shelling comes they get out then ambush then Get out then ambush and by the third ambush the Cop/fob is destroyed Thats why US have rangers they strictly train in ambush raids hit and run in jungle swap/water and mountains and urban So they can destroy militants and are quit successfull in iraq andafghanistan

So you received proper briefing and training, after that it is deemed easy. Isn't? That kind'a proved my point.

 

[bigzgvr4]

So you received proper briefing and training, after that it is deemed easy. Isn't? That kind'a proved my point.

i dont know what are you trying to say But youtube basic training OF us Army and see at-4 which is a anti tank weapon all you need is range estimation and ur good to go after you get ur range estimation you aim and yell back blast area clear Fire in a Hole and the **** goes boom It took them 25 mins of brifeing 30 mins of weapon familirization 5 mins of saftey bullcrap and 2 mins of range with live fire for every soldier, they also pair soldiers in 2 So you can do the math how long it took to learn to shoot properly and effectively

SO any one can give them Proper training Just by reading the manual

 

[Arabian Legend]

Go through post #17 bro.

Most MANPADs have a fixed battery, and no provision to change them in the field. And to change the batteries, the MANPAD has to be sent to the factory.

So they cannot keep the system active for a long time, so intensive training is required to utilize the system at optimum level. In real combat, they have to pop up the lid over the active seeker, and activate the device and lock on to the target very quickly.

Something which is not possible without proper training.

sounds like it requires a little training. anyway the question is that does china Gov knows about that shipment or not! if yes then china needs to reconsider its military import policies!