Seeds of Indian proliferation

[Awesome]

Right but writers such as up there have very well documented that Indians are far from clean. Perhaps the Americans should pick up on that.

 

[TomCat111]

This article (Seeds of Indian proliferation) was originally published in April, 2006. The following Congressional report by the official specialist in National Defense Foreign Affairs, Defense, and Trade Division titled “CRS Report for Congress
India and Iran: WMD Proliferation Activities” was released on November 8, 2006.

The similarities are eerie. Wonder, if the official specialist read the article before writing the report.

 

[vnomad]

Perhaps the same rule of 'no moral high ground' can be made to understand to Indian politicians when they clamor that they're different from other nuclear powers in their neighbourhood (a stab at Pakistan)?

Maybe ten years from now. The expose of A.Q. Khan's nuke walmart is a recent development. India's alleged proliferation activities aren't recent.

 

[TomCat111]

India's alleged proliferation activities aren't recent.

It goes to show how much you think you know.......

Read the article again where it says,"In 2004, the US State Department blacklisted two Indian scientists. The Indian nuclear scientists were charged with nuclear proliferation to Iran. The US State Department spokesman Richard Boucher explained, "The cases reflected poor Indian commitment to non-proliferation."

In yet another instance, the US sanctioned two Indian firms for selling prohibited items to Iran."

 

[Adux]

tWO scientist and two firms which make minor parts does not consequte a National Profileration Policy, But then again I dont expect you to understand that

 

[vnomad]

In yet another instance, the US sanctioned two Indian firms for selling prohibited items to Iran."[/I]

None of these developments are even half as significant as Khan's network. And yes I did know about the US sanctions on the two firms. The US also sanction Norinco and CPMIEC(a unit of China Aerospace Corporation). In contrast both Indian companies were private.
There were a total of nine companies sanctioned - six Chinese, two Indian and one Austrian. You don't hear any crap about Austrian proliferation do you?

 

[TomCat111]

None of these developments are even half as significant as Khan's network.

For goodness sake...... would I have to hold your finger through every single argument?

In post 18 you said,

India's alleged proliferation activities aren't recent.

To which, in post 19, I responded by giving an example of most recent Indian proliferation.

This does NOT mean, that India does NOT have a long rap sheet of proliferation. All I have done is shown the latest example.

Is it too much to expect you guys to pay attention and follow the argument for a change? But then again, I don’t expect you guys to understand or concentrate for longer than couple of seconds.:wall:

 

[mujahideen]

Indian claims of protected nukes fall flat

NEW DELHI, Feb 27 (APP): Tall Indian claims of well-protected nukes and allied material fell flat when its police recently seized 4 KG of uranium in the Supaul district along the Indo-Nepal border.Though the authorities tried to hush up the happening to avoidembarrassment at the hands of nuclear expert and watchdogs, the media made itpublic and “Hindustan Times” carried its details in its February 20 issue.

The estimated value of the seized uranium is Rs. 50 million in the international market. Six persons, including a school teacher and a border police soldier, have been arrested on charges of smuggling sensitive nuclear-related material.

Reliable sources maintain that it is not the first instance but a chain in the series of such happenings which were hushed up effectively by the Indian authorities.

According to experts the porous Indo-Nepal Border coupled with loose Indian control over security of fissile materials has become a major worry for counter-terrorism authorities the world over. They fear that the material can end up with terrorists where it can find use in fabrication of a crude dirty bomb.

“Surely, it is also a wake-up call for the IAEA, which is currently engaged in conducting parleys with the Indian nuclear experts”, analysts are of the opinion.

app - Indian claims of protected nukes fall flat

 

[BATMAN]

New Nuclear Concessions to India Imperil Global Non-Proliferation
Joseph Griebowski
March 24th 2008

A little over a year ago, the U.S. Congress voted to approve the Hyde Act which changed long-standing U.S. nuclear non-proliferation laws, to allow the transfer of nuclear material and technology to India. Since then, the United States has made yet additional dangerous concessions to India. Now the India nuclear deal has become worse for everyone’s international nuclear stability.
For 30 years, until last year's Congressional vote, nuclear trade was reserved only for countries in good standing under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), our first line of defense against the spread of nuclear weapons. Countries that remained outside the NPT simply could not benefit from nuclear trade under U.S. and international rules. India, which misused international assistance intended for peaceful purposes to develop its own nuclear weapons and which is one of only three countries that never signed the NPT, was no exception.

If the final steps are implemented, including the 45-country Nuclear Suppliers Group changing its international rules and the U.S. Congress approving the U.S.-Indian nuclear trade implementation agreement, India will get all the nuclear benefits it needs without any of the legally-binding obligations to nonproliferation.

How did we get here? First, India was let off the hook from having to make commitments that the NPT that states with nuclear weapon have made, such as signing the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, stopping the production of fissile material for nuclear weapons, and committing to work toward nuclear disarmament. Furthermore, access to nuclear trade will afford India the capability to quadruple its nuclear weapons production, which will also exacerbate a regional arms race in south Asia, causing Pakistan to seek to match India capability.
Not content with this agreement, India earlier this year pushed for additional concessions in negotiating its implementation agreement. The United States gave in to India's insistence that it be allowed to extract nuclear weapons-usable plutonium from US-origin spent fuel. A preview of the proliferation risk: after 30 years of engaging in this dangerous practice, France and the United Kingdom have accumulated enough separated plutonium for the equivalent of tens of thousands of nuclear weapons.
Moreover, the Bush Administration even backpedaled on the Congressional requirement that changes to U.S. law allowing nuclear cooperation with India be suspended if India tests a nuclear weapon, further undermining decades of U.S. and international nuclear non-proliferation efforts. And in the event U.S. nuclear fuel supply to India is cut off, the United States even promised India that it would help India find alternate suppliers. These additional concessions to India can only further undermine decades of nuclear non-proliferation norms.
Despite these sweeteners, opposition had until recently blocked the deal in India. Indian Communists, reluctant to endorse any deal that would allow closer ties with the United States, and other Indian opposition parties that claim India's independence in its foreign and nuclear policy would be jeopardized, delayed India from starting to negotiate a safeguards agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency. That itself was a pre-condition for changes to international rules and a final vote in Congress to allow the nuclear trade with India. However, the opposition to the deal in India has now softened enough to let India start these IAEA negotiations.

As these negotiations progress, the 45-country Nuclear Suppliers Group will meet to discuss changes to international rules. Once these rules are changed, India will be able to finalize agreements with many other countries. French, Japanese, and Russian companies, which are better placed for reaping the benefits of nuclear trade with India, will be able to hawk their nuclear wares to India, leaving U.S. companies and their extra safeguards high and dry.

If these changes to international rules and a near-final India-IAEA agreement are still in place by spring 2008, Congress will have yet another opportunity to review and vote on the US-India implementation agreement. Increasing concerns about India's energy and military ties to Iran have indeed raised questions in Congress in the past months, and may perhaps cause certain Members of Congress to take a second closer look at this deal.

As the deal limps along to the projected spring 2008 finish line when the Administration hopes Congress will give its final approval to the deal, it is worth considering the dangerous consequences of a deal that has gone far to undermine the nuclear non-proliferation the world needs.

Joe Griebowski is President of the Institute on Religion and Public Policy and Secretary General, Interparliamentary Conference on Human Rights and Religious Freedom.

 

[SPI]

For goodness sake...... would I have to hold your finger through every single argument?

In post 18 you said,
To which, in post 19, I responded by giving an example of most recent Indian proliferation.

This does NOT mean, that India does NOT have a long rap sheet of proliferation. All I have done is shown the latest example.

Is it too much to expect you guys to pay attention and follow the argument for a change? But then again, I don’t expect you guys to understand or concentrate for longer than couple of seconds.:wall:

First of all from very beginning India was clear about not signing nuclear proliferation act. So, that would mean India could do anything and it is not bound by any country, which even today India gov't express that felling. And do not forget United States and Mr. Bush approach India not the other way around. And just to let you know because India not signing Nuclear Proliferation treaty, India was sanction for so many years. do you think that affected India or change India, no instead i would say they pursued even more.

So your argument regarding how careless India is about there nuclear program does not hold water because India does not care what the world thinks or any country. It believes in self-reliance and it will survive with self-reliance. And your other argument about other countries helping India build nuclear reactors, well ask yourself this question after being sanctioned by these countries why they came to India and said let me help you with your nuclear program. Why?

I will give another latest news: When India ask for supplies of Uranium from Australia, Australiens response was India has to sign nuclear proliferation treaty. So who came running in, France. Explain to me Why?

If you believe like you said India is careless about nuclear program then why there are line of countries willing to provide India what it needs?

 

[BATMAN]

I will give another latest news: When India ask for supplies of Uranium from Austrial, Austrials response was India has to sign nuclear proliferation treaty. So who came running in, France. Explain to me Why?

If you believe like you said India is careless about nuclear program then why there a line of countries willing to provide India what it needs?

If you are considering France alone a line of countries than I believe perhaps it was due to the fact that former US offer legitimized to proliferate nuclear technology and you see that's exactly the point many nations just look upon to US to decide their future policies. France is a NSG and if he sees US has no respect for the NPT accord than it is no surprise that France jumping into the bussines as a competitor.
You may disagree but it's just different ways to look at same things.
US is looked upon as a leader and hence forth should be very cautions in his actions because their may be hidden repercussions in favoring one country out of way, specially when that country is believed to be instrumental spreading terrorism in all of its neighbour countries.

I'm sure if US would embark on proliferating nuclear technology to India than it will be undemining the life on sub-continent and Europe, considering the presense of Uranium smuggling rackets operating out of India and their industrial safety records and practices.

 

[SPI]

I'm sure if US would embark on proliferating nuclear technology to India than it will be undemining the life on sub-continent and Europe, considering the presense of Uranium smuggling rackets operating out of India and their industrial safety records and practices.[/QUOTE]

But, you have not still answer my questions if India is one of the biggest Uranium smuggler, and there nuclear program is racket with safety records and practice, why these first world country lining up to give India what it needs. Let me give you an example, Israel did not sign NPT, and only countries helping them out are United States supporters like (united kingdom, austrilia, etc..), but France and Germany look at Israel in a different way. And the best example Iran is hungry for Uranium, and United States does not want Iran to have anything, so the world is not helping Iran out, but why China and Russia are in not favore also. I mean China and Russia have not stood up for Iran at all.

 

[BATMAN]

Now this is getting off topic.
As far I know, Europe has accepted Iran's right to pursue nuclear energy.
Many countries will be willing to supply Iran with required technology and Uranium under the observation of IAEA.
Those countries who follow sanctions from US are either intimidated by trade off black mails other wise those states who are immuned to US santions or trade off's follow indepent policies based on their national interest.
Recently, Switzerland has inked gas deal defying US sanctions on Iran.
Iran-Switzerland gas deal irks US
At the same time, if India or Pakistan decide to buy Iranian gas than it will be different story.

 

[SPI]

Now this is getting off topic.
As far I know, Europe has accepted Iran's right to pursue nuclear energy.
Many countries will be willing to supply Iran with required technology and Uranium under the observation of IAEA.
Those countries who follow sanctions from US are either intimidated by trade off black mails other wise those states who are immuned to US santions or trade off's follow indepent policies based on their national interest.
Recently, Switzerland has inked gas deal defying US sanctions on Iran.
Iran-Switzerland gas deal irks US
At the same time, if India or Pakistan decide to buy Iranian gas than it will be different story.

No know you are getting of track, i thought we were talking about NPT, not gas deals. And europe has not accepted Iran right to pursue nuclear energy, like i said not even russian or china. And I know Russian and China are not intimidated by the US.