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Secularism in Pakistan-A solution to Pakistan's religious problems?

It doesn't matter if Secularism is the solution to all the religious problems in Pakistan.

The simple fact that the country was created on religious lines is enough to tell that Pakistan cannot be a secular nation... EVER.
 
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It doesn't matter if Secularism is the solution to all the religious problems in Pakistan.

The simple fact that the country was created on religious lines is enough to tell that Pakistan cannot be a secular nation... EVER.

Exactly, and neither do we want to be. We have no need for it.
Secularism is been proven to oppress the population in Muslim countries.
Women are not able to get an education in Turkey, Tunisia, and other places simply because of the clothes they chose to wear. Men are forced to Shave their beards in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.

Secularism in Muslim countries is more concerned with how people look then anything else.

And thus we don't want it and don't need it.
 
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Hindus are being killed in Pakistan....Ahmedis,Shias are unsafe in Pakistan....Salman Taseer was killed for being a moderate muslim....secular Pakistan??.......is this a joke??....Pakistan will become Talibanistan by the end of 2014

"Pakistan will become Talibanistan by 2004"
"Pakistan will become Talibanistan by 2006"
"Pakistan will become Talibanistan by 2008"
"Pakistan will become Talibanistan by 2010"
"Pakistan will become Talibanistan by 2012"
"Pakistan will become Talibanistan by 2014"

:blah::blah::blah:
 
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Hindus are being killed in Pakistan....Ahmedis,Shias are unsafe in Pakistan....Salman Taseer was killed for being a moderate muslim....secular Pakistan??.......is this a joke??....Pakistan will become Talibanistan by the end of 2014

This statement does not suit you my dear...Are you a real???
 
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I do agree with you on this, no question about it. It is not only pakistan, but this is the case in absolute majority of muslim countries. Maybe time will change people's perception and attitude, but it certainly is not possible in any near future. We have to suffer before we learn and correct ourselves.

But when i mentioned the US, i pointed out to the freedom of choice and equal treatment of citizens regardless of their faith. Now, i dont say that the US is a perfect place because we are not living in a perfect world, but to compare it to our countries, you simply cant compare.

Each country is different. Saudi Arabia is a wealthy Islamic nation and has stricter laws than Pakistan.

Most of Pakistan is moderate, some areas are more conservative and some areas are more liberal, but there'll be protests everywhere in Pakistan if it declares secularism. Pakistan is a South Asian Muslim country. It is not Europe or North America. The culture and the society in Pakistan is very different from North America and Europe.
 
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I disagree with your assessment that Turkey isn't a successful Secular state. It is being run much more efficiently than us.

Don't mix up "good governance" and "secularism". Turkey was called the "sick man of Europe" today it is the 2nd fastest growing economy on the planet. Sounds great but who brought Turkey to this point? Oh yea i remember thats a guy called Erdogan who has increased the per capita income by 288% in 8 years has a "hijabi" wife , runs an "Islamist" party , regularly prays and considered to be a "danger to Turkish secularism" -- exactly that would be why !
Its just that we have been taught that secularism and Islam are two separate paths when they are not.

Ok since your 3 digit IQ level determines that all of us have been "brainwashed" then you can "prove" how Islam & Secularism are the "Same path". Just give it your best shot and yes do NOT forget to give an example.


Islam gives us a great amount of liberty and allows us to make decisions freely.

But an Islamic state won't be a free and peaceful state ?? Won't allow liberties , your argument is flawed and self-defying.

Wahabi influences are what have corrupted our mind along with incorrect education which builds hate for anything other than the version of history we have been taught.

Oh no no , now you are taking the debate to a gutter !

Also even if not done very often before and neither done democratically it does not mean that the concept overall is flawed. For example in many countries where Islam (Wahabi versions) have been implemented there has been violence.

And Iran with Shia Islam in Iran , Lebanon , Iraq , Yamen , Syria is a beacon of peace ? :rolleyes: - Lets not even discuss that bullshit here , i hate the sectarian apologetic arguments.

Muslims have been killing muslims with impunity in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

oh maybe because we have had 60 years of non stop conflict , low literacy rate , chronic unemployment , dysfunctional judicial state institutions ?? Muslims killing muslims with impunity doesn't necessarily reflect a interfaith conflict as there are more reasons than one.

Does that mean Islam is flawed? No. It means we are not following the tenets of Islam properly...

Follow the tenets of Islam when the state itself enforces Islam out of public life ? very intelligent !
our forefathers won spain and constantinople with tolerance and secularism.

Our fore-fathers spread Islam in Turkey in Spain through secularism ? really??? Repeat it to yourself twice and see if it makes ANY sense. You can fool any history illiterate with this argument through "feel good" method but not someone who has a grip on history and yes -- oh yea i just remember there was a "Khilafat" in Spain and Turkey which for 800 years turned them into the beacon of knowledge for science. Secular Khilafat ? --- :lol:


We are forgetting that tolerance which is why we are in such a state.

You are mixing up tolerance which is a social behavior with secularism which is a social governance structure. I can give you examples of states with NAKED secularism and they are extremely intolerant.

Therefore i must say secularism is not at all flawed.

No one said secularism is flawed , i argue that it is "irrelevant" , "unpractical" & "unimplementable" for "Muslim" countries.
I advice you to educate yourself on secularism , its history , when and why and under what circumstances it was implemented & not take it on its face value.
I would advise you to think of things critically. Are we to continue preaching hate for the other sect and hatred for each other? Is there ever going to be tolerance.

Id start a program to issue licenses to people who wish to speak in public in a religious sphere. And you issue licenses to those who have graduated as a scholar not as a half baked mullah/zakir who make their bread out of preaching hatred not through secularism.

Pakistanis will eventually have to be more open to the concept of secularism.

I agree , they need to learn about secularism to understand that it is completely un pragmatic for our society.


It is an avenue out of the bloodshed and killing we are suffering today.

Oh you mean if Pakistan were to become a secular state , the bloodshed will stop? - get a life dude , Ireland , Egypt , Syria , USA , Germany , France , UK etc has had decades or centuries of secularism & have seen the worst bloodshed in human history. In fact regimes which killed most people in the 20th century were secular , marxist , atheist regimes ie Nazis , Stalin , Mao , Serbs etc. So is secularism going to stop bloodshed in Pakistan ? well you know the answer now.

In my opinion , stopping bloodshed is about good governance , economy , economy , economy , jobs , jobs , jobs , food , food , food , education , education , education ! got my drift?

Plus we are so confused we don't even know "which" Islam to implement. Will it be sufism, will it be wahabism... we are divided by branch and spend immense resources on changing a persons qiblah... instead we should concentrate on development.

Who is asking to implement Islam ? - I am sure you do not know the difference between Shariah & the concept of a Democratic , Islamic welfare state. What you have to implement is NOT sharia as it is a code of conduct of one's social and personal life. You need to implement , Democratic , Islamic , welfare state model which takes everything into its fold . Sufism , Wahabism , Shiaism and all other "isms" yada yada. This was the real concept of a state in the mind of Jinnah (R.A)

We will automatically advance.

No such thing as an automatic advance exists. You get what you work for , implementation of a system doesn't guarantee socioeconomic growth its the execution and reviewal through a process of evolution which makes the difference.

I also talked about the laws meant to safeguard Islam but misused for other purposes by crooks and criminals.

Islam needs no safeguards its mullahs who do.

Plus the rich can always circumvent these laws by paying bribes. About time we make some changes for freedom. And about time we abandon this false pride in being an Islamic Republic. What kind of Islamic Republic are we where no Islam is practiced anyway?

"Islam expect every Muslim to do this duty, and if we realise our responsibility time will come soon when we shall justify ourselves worthy of a glorious past."

Muhammad Ali Jinnah

"Democracy is like a tram which gets you to your destination , then you get off: R.T Erdogan 1990"


I leave the rest to your imagination.

Regards:
 
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Secularism is a foreign and alien concept and certainly not appropriate for a muslim majority country. We don't need foreign solutions to our domestic problems. Anytime we bring alien concepts we tear our national fabric apart. What we need is an enlightened moderate scientific Islamic system which gaurantees the rights of minorities. Islam in the middle ages protected religious minorities better than Christianity.

Muslims ruled Spain for 700 years and the majority of Spain remained Christian and Jewish and both these groups flourished under Muslim rule. Then in 1492 Isabel and Ferdinand of Spain ousted Muslims and all hell broke loose on Jewish and Muslim populations. The persecutions known as the " Spanish Inquisition " forced Jews and Muslims in Spain to either convert to Christianity or loose their lives. Massive emigrations took place with Sephadic Jews moving to Eastern Europe and Muslims moving to Northern Africa.

This is our history and we should take pride in our Islamic Principles and history.
 
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Does the author's vision of Pakistani secularism mean rule-of-law or rule by secular mullahs (dictators)?
 
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Its amazing to see how when muslims are in minority they support secularism but when they are in majority the oppose secularism

Living in a secular country does not endorse secularism. India is hardly a secular country , so what people do there is irrelevant.

We have a model better than Secularism which can only work for us, this is why we oppose secularism when we are a majority. And we are not the only ones, Jews do that too.

Does the author's vision of Pakistani secularism mean rule-of-law or rule by secular mullahs (dictators)?

It also includes, keeping country clean of Zionists.
 
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Britain is considered to be a "model" for world's oldest secular democracy , there is no country in the world with 100% secular society functioning at its full capacity.

Whether Britain is a 'model' or not, is irrelevant.

50 Years ? you can wait for 100 more years Pakistan won't have a secular majority and it yes has NOTHING to do with Education yada yada. People make different choices when it comes to their social structure. All liberal fascists in Pakistan have been drumming up this idea of a secular state where majority of them simply have no clue about the roots of secularism itself !

I never said Pakistan would have a secular majority after 50 or 100 years, rather the secular population would be much larger than what it is now and would have much more influence. And yes it has everything to do with education. The majority of secular Pakistanis are educated middle/higher class citizens. On the other hand, the majority of uneducated or poorly educated Pakistanis are not secular and follow religious/political leaders for guidance - and often following them like sheep.

Education opens the doors for critical thinking, hence an open mind, therefore questioning commonly held philosophies and/or beliefs which leads to a larger secular population who don't rely on rules, regulation and dogmas already set in stone.

The term 'liberal fascist' is an oxymoron. I thought you would know that but I guess not. It seems to be a fashionable word used by those Pakistanis (usually as a pointless insult) who want Pakistan to become a fully fledged Islamic state.
An Islamic society is supposed to be Liberal and tolerant to begin with . I dare you to pull just "one" example of a Muslim country where secularism has been "successfully" implemented and is working at its full functional capacity. If your mind is thinking of Turkey as youre reading this than you need to think again , Turkey with a "century" of Secularism has an "Islamist" party with nearly two thirds majority govt (Only one in Europe right now) in its third term & YES Secularism was "imposed" by an autocratic/authoritative Mustafa Kemal Pasha , not through popular opinion.

I disagree - imo a society ruled by a religion - a theocratic state can not be tolerant simply because that state will impose the laws of their particular religion on the rest of society. And such societies tend to persecute those against the theocratic state.

No country can work at it's 'full capacity'. FYI, Turkey has successfully implemented secularism whether you like it or not. I completely disagree on the method that secularism was established in Turkey (by a dictator who forced secularism on his people without their consent and created many anti-Islam laws which the state should never get involved in). Thats why I previously said that secularism should not be established in Pakistan yet simply because it would go against the majority viewpoint and overly religious people would start destroying infrastructure and vehicles in 'protest' (cowards).

With time and education, more and more people will challenge ridiculous laws such as the blasphemy law, or the anti-Ahmedi laws, or laws which which do not treat non-muslims as equal to muslims, and eventually religious laws will be challenged on a whole.

Tunisia , Egypt , Syria etc all tried "The golden principles of Secularism" and the result is now riddled in the face of everyone with "Islamists" running parliaments in post revolution "democratic" Egypt , Libya , Tunisia and soon to be in Yamen & Syria.

So if you can give me "One true" example of a single Muslim country with a "functional" secular system put into place by popular vote - i will "convert" into "secularhood".

What I see in these countries are governments who are both secular and Islamic, who will implement some 'Islamic' laws and mostly secular laws and this is what most of those people seem to want. It's a positive step in my view. :tup:

There are quite a few 'secular' Muslim majority countries, i.e. Turkey, Albania, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan etc.

Sorry for the late reply, I don't have much free time nowadays.
 
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religion in pakistan ---- a solution to pakistan's problems?

what pakistan needs is islamic unity, meaning that the state should only allow public practices in Islam that are justifiable in accordance to the quran and sunnah - and what is universally acceptable by the majority of muslims. People can do what ever they want in private (pir worship or what ever the hell they want to do in private) but it cannt be done in public. Doing this will see even deobandis and sufis working together under one identity which is Islam.

One of the major probblems with pakistan is that life has no sanctity anymore in pakistan, this needs to be restored. Once we have peace then everything else can happen in due course.
 
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Why do we fear Secularism?

Many Pakistanis have a built in aversion towards the word secularism while taking an excessive pride in the Islamic Republic attached to Pakistan’s name. Despite the fact that many Pakistanis fail to follow the tenets of Islam and the word Islamic Republic makes a mockery of the meaning it remains a source of excessive pride. Scholars claim that today the country is very far from Islam because very few people in Pakistan really follow the tenets of Islam. However very few of them can answer the question whether it worthwhile to have an “Islamic Republic” only in name. However the real question is do we really have anything to fear from Secularism in the first place?

According to its dictionary meaning Secularism refers to the equal treatment of each and every religious group within the Nation and to the idea that religion should have a smaller role in politics and decision making because when it has too large a role people spend their time over their own separate interpretations of religion rather than Nation building and the tasks at hand.


Many Muslims in Pakistan fear secularism because they have a perverse idea of the concept fearing Islam will be diminished with Secularism. This is completely untrue. Pakistan’s Islamic identity will not be lost with a Secular system.


Will Secularism decrease Islam’s value in Pakistan?


Many Pakistanis continually fear that secularism will decrease Islam's value or worse will eliminate Islam from Pakistan.


The fact is no one is pushing Islam away and with 95% of the population of Pakistan being proud and extremely pious Muslims for the most part it is impossible to even try. Islam will still be practiced by the majority of people as it is being practiced today without any hindrance whatsoever. The only difference perhaps will be that religion will be a personal matter. A person who does not follow Islam devotedly or a follower of a different religion or a sect of Islam will not be persecuted for having his own separate beliefs.


If seen in such a light Secularism is nothing to be feared. We can be proud Muslims and defend Islam as much or even more with a secular constitution as we can by labelling a country ruled by very corrupt people with barely any link to Islam an “Islamic Republic”. An Islamic Republic where the rulers themselves have no link to Islam and others often use religion as a tool to fulfill their personal interests.

The fact is that a country that calls itself an Islamic Republic should have a constitution, laws (that are implemented instead of being cleared by people who can pay bribes), rules and regulations based on the tenets of Islam. A country lacking the Islamic economic and judicial system based on the teachings of the Prophet can't be an Islamic Republic. It's not that Pakistanis haven't tried. If proof is needed one needs to look at Zia's Islamicization. Pakistanis have tried to impose Islam in letter and spirit for 60 years and failed. It's more than time we revised our direction.


The tenets of Islam support Secularism & harmony

“To you be your Faith, and to me mine.”
Ayat 109:6​


During the rule of Ali Ibn Abi Talib the fourth Caliph of Islam a Jew stole a shield that belonged to the Caliph and claimed that it was his. He was brought to the court of Ali to settle the dispute. However due to lack of proof and according to Islamic law the Jew was allowed to keep the shield as Hazrat Ali could not prove he owned the shield. This was a verdict going against a Muslim Caliph in his own court. However Hazrat Ali accepted the decision calmly. On the other hand the Jew was dumbfounded as he had indeed stolen the shield. He was quick to embrace Islam and declared that he had lied in front of the entire court.


This was one example of how Islam spread to become one of the largest religions in the World and won hearts and minds. It was due to the insight and tolerance our ancestors had that we got to where we are, that Cordova and Baghdad became centres of learning and Islam spread from the corners of Spain to the boundaries of the far east.


Unfortunately many people in Pakistan do not understand that human rights and the equal treatment of all individuals in the country is more important in Islam rather than a notion of Islamic pride and superiority where labelling a country an “Islamic Republic” is deemed necessary. This pride comes from a past that our ancestors built with policies that we fail to understand today.


The Quaid E Azams Principles


“In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State — to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non- Muslims — Hindus, Christians, and Parsis — but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan.”

Quaid E Azam, February 1948


The above quote is the greatest proof that Quaid E Azam did not want a state that was built solely on the basis of religion. Unfortunately since his death the constitution has been changed to suit every new leader that came and the title “Islamic Republic,” untrue it may be has been added along with many laws that are completely out of line with Quaid E Azam's original ideas for Pakistan. If we look closely at many of his speeches we will notice Quaid E Azam was a staunch supporter of secularism with an added focus on Islamic thought and ideology. Therefore until he was alive the Islamic Republic was never attached to the countries name. That happened when Ayub Khan came into power.


Other speeches by Quaid E Azam that clearly supported the message of peace, harmony and equality between all groups whether they are ethnic or religious are stated below.


‘We are starting with the fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one state. No matter what is his colour, caste or creed is first, second and last a citizen of this state with equal rights, privileges and obligations….”

“In due course of time Hindus will cease to be Hindus and Muslims will cease to be Muslims – not in a religious sense for that is the personal faith of an individual- but in a political sense as citizens of one state.”

“[If you] work together in a spirit that everyone of you no matter what is his colour, caste or creed, is first, second and last a citizen of this state with equal rights, privileges and obligations, there will be no end to the progress you will make.”
11 August 1947


“The tenets of Islam enjoin on every Musalman to give protection to his neighbours and to the Minorities regardless of caste and creed. We must make it a matter of our honor and prestige to create sense of security amongst them.”
30th October 1947

Clearly Quaid E Azam understood that a Nation could not be built until differences were eliminated and people saw themselves as equal members of a single society regardless of faith or ethnicity.


Perhaps if that spirit was alive today Pakistan would not be afflicted with religious issues and infighting between Shia-Sunni, Barelvi-Deobandi, Wahabi-Mainstream Muslim, and the principles of personal freedom would have given way to building a Nation that was the most glorious one in history. Unfortunately this destiny still awaits the Pakistani race which dreams for justice and equality. Many conservatives continuously deny Quaid E Azam wanted a secular country believing that such a concept is against Islam when it is not. Perhaps they fear for their own interests but Quaid E Azam did indeed want a Nation that was Secular or Socialist and gave equal opportunity to all inhabitants.


People try to deny this but the fact is, being Muslims this is not something for us to be ashamed of but something glorious. That a leader who did so much for Muslims, gave them a new homeland and independence, still understood the morals of our ancestors because of whom Islam spread is truly remarkable.


Issues caused by the misinterpretation of Islamic Law & resources used to contain them​


The fact that laws created to safeguard Islam are being used for the benefit and self interest of bad people does not do anything great for the image of Islam. A clear example is the blasphemy law, a law that makes an insult to Islam, the Prophet or the Quran illegal and punishable by death. This law has been used against minorities for a long time. However Muslims have fallen victims to this law as well.


An example of how this law is misused was the case of Mohammad Imran who was arrested in Faisalabad for blasphemy on the 28th of October 2007. He was falsely blamed because of a personal argument. After being arrested he was first tortured by the police, then the inmates and later he was placed in solitary confinement without anyone looking after his injuries. He was only released in April 2009 after being declared innocent.


Another example was the framing of Akhtar Hammed Khan, an 81 year old writer and sociologist by business interests and authorities unwilling to let his development work take place in Orangi, Karachi. He had launched a development project on the behalf of the people of Orangi. His project offering real estate loans on good terms and work to improve the condition of women through education, and access to employment and family planning was not well liked by these authorities. Thus they decided to book him on false charges with the police under the blasphemy laws. He was later released due to inadequate evidence but the case proves how the law is being used to settle personal scores and disputes.


Minorities have many such stories to share as 60% of all victims who are framed under this law are Non Muslims. The law has become a tool for fanatics, murderers and people seeking to settle personal scores yet the law still hasn’t been repealed due to the fact that militants have some influence on governance. Land disputes or personal quarrels are by far the main reason for people to be booked under this law.


Another such law is the Hudood Ordinance where in a case of Rape four witnesses are required to confirm that a rape has taken place. This is practically impossible. However the woman who complains that a rape has taken place is often booked for being with another man while the culprits of the rape run free.


Therefore the Hudood Law became a tool in the hands of rapists and today any woman can be raped. But when she goes to the police to get justice the Hudood Law can be used to frame her, because by claiming that she has been raped she also admits that she has been with another man and committed Zinah. Some figures claim that in the year 1979 there were only 70 women in Pakistani jails. A decade later, in 1988, this figure had risen to 6000 and over 80% of the women in prison were there because of these laws. It is said many more women do not even report rapes in fear of being persecuted due to this law.


Is Pakistan really Islamic?
Better to have a Secular constitution than Islam only in name​


There is no doubt that our leaders found us a land that was a safe haven for Muslims and gave us freedom to make our own decisions without the fear of suffering biased treatment for the faith we followed. However the question today is how much Islam is being followed in the country?

For instance the Quran states:

“Keep yourselves away from bribes because it is kufr and one who receives them will never smell the scent of paradise”.​

The fact is in Pakistan taking and giving bribes is so common that even a noble person can hardly live without paying one. Some honourable folk still struggle on but their lives are much more difficult. If a person has money it is a possibility he has given or taken a bribe at least once. Unfortunately the entire bureaucracy is at the forefront of this rot. Justice is sold and witnesses can be bought.


On the other hand while drinking is not allowed and a license is required in order to drink in Pakistan, people who want to drink do so with impunity and with no fear of being punished. The law is not even being implemented while if a drunkard happens to get caught a simple bribe wins back the persons freedom. On the other hand while adultery is considered a punishable law under the constitution it is practiced by many people in the country without any fear of punishment. The same goes for many other laws. It is virtually impossible to implement these laws and it costs resources to do so.


The fact is many laws related to Islam exist in Pakistan but they are there only in name. They are either being misused by people for their own interests or they are not implemented and people who commit heinous crimes are allowed to go free because of them, without any fear of punishment while the innocent are framed. Particularly the law simply does not apply to government officials who can flout any rule because of their influence and power.


The real question for Pakistan today is whether it is sensible to have a false, broken and corrupt “Islamic Republic” in name or it is better to have a secular constitution that guarantees freedom to everyone and ensures that there are no vaguely addressed laws that make a mockery of our Religion and are misused for the benefit of a few criminals.

Why do we fear secularism (comment & rate)

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Benefits of Secularism for Pakistan (In point Format)

In recent days I was having a very constructive debate with a very knowledgeable person about the benefits of Secularism for a society such as Pakistan, where people are judged by how much or how little people follow their religion. Here imposing ones brand of Islam on the other is common and I argued for Secularism while this person argued for the intricacies of Islamic law.


I have already written an article on secularism and will not go into detail but here I will present the argument for secularism in points compared to the disadvantages of a poorly functioning "Islamic Republic" which may turn out to be very useful.

Problems with a dysfunctional "Islamic Republic"

Misuse of laws meant to safeguard Islam for the personal interests of people-ie the Blasphemy law to frame innocent Muslims, Christians and Hindus on false charges of blasphemy in order to settle disputes.


{Qoute} An example of how this law is misused was the case of Mohammad Imran who was arrested in Faisalabad for blasphemy on the 28th of October 2007. He was falsely blamed because of a personal argument. After being arrested he was first tortured by the police, then the inmates and later he was placed in solitary confinement without anyone looking after his injuries. He was only released in April 2009 after being declared innocent. {Qoute}

No laws for the rich and powerful. All laws apply for the weak. For example a rich man can drink or do whatever he wants despite not being allowed to do so in his religion, without any fear... even rape women without ever being punished but a poor man is always punished. Is this justice?

{QUOTE}Those before you went astray, for, when one of the committed a crime and he was a great man, they would not punish him, and when he was a poor man they would execute the punishment (Bu: 86:12){QUOTE}

Differences in the belief of Islam-which Islam do we want. What do we do if some factions do not agree with the Islam we are currently following? Should it be Wahabism, Sufism, Deobandi or Hanafi Islam? How will we deal with differing interpretations which will cause more and more confusion?


When religion gets infused into society, fanaticism and terrorism are only by-products. This is why religion should be a personal matter kept to a person's house and his place of worship. It should never be infused into governance and the state.



Muslims killing Muslims. The divide caused by the differences in our beliefs has caused a vast chasm among the Muslims. This chasm is so great that it is now leading to us killing each other. Not a day passes in Pakistan when a Muslim is not killed by another Muslim. The Taliban, Jundullah, Sipah E Sahaba, Lashker E Janghvi, Sipah E Mohammad... what else? In distant Norway there's Anders Behring Breivik. Infusing religion into politics has only led to death and destruction.



People begin using the excuse of religion to increase their power and authority. For example there are over 30 Taliban commanders in the tribal belts each vying for power and influence. In the end the struggle for Islam becomes a cruel struggle for power and influence.


When a country decides to judge its people by how much or how little they follow their religion it fails to focus on other important things such as science, education, economy and growth. Ignoring these sectors has often led to decline in Islamic societies. It is causing Pakistan to decline today with the GDP growth rate that is incapable of creating new jobs for a rising population.


Islamist thought can only cause gradual factionalism and division as people get divided into sects and various groups while each religious group crowds to his or her own religious group for protection decreasing people to people contact between sects and religions. For example the blasphemy laws in Pakistan. A man was shot for questioning a man-made law that has led to the murder of innocent muslims, christians and hindus alike on false charges of blasphemy. The law simply cannot be erased but it can only get worse because of Islamist influence who refuse to allow any changes to the law. What is next? Declaring all Hindus Kaffir and declaring them wajib ul qatil?


Despite trying to impose Islam for over 60 years Pakistan has miserably failed. Today the rich can get away with any crime. Bribes are taken and given with impunity and justice can be sold. Pakistan has failed to impose Islam in every single aspect. Pakistanis have free access to any website, the younger generation can have intercourse when it likes with streets such as Napier in Karachi and Heera Mandi in Lahore. Drinks are easily available. No law in reality has been imposed. Pakistan is a broke, failed Islamic Republic in every sense of the word. Isn't it better to stop trying to impose religion on everyone now and just give up?


More than a Billion Muslims live in abject poverty. Has having an "Islamic Republic" helped them in any way? Is it more important to give the poor man food and shelter rather than telling him how to behave in his daily life?

Benefits of Secularism.

By allowing freedom and giving each man his dignity we give everyone their rights. A person has the right to believe what he or she wishes and can stand for whatever he believes in. Islam itself allows us this freedom:


{QUOTE}"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust worthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. " (Qur'an 2:256)] {QUOTE}​

Secularism will not degrade Islam but will instead allow it to flourish as secularism means the equal treatment of each and every religion. By equally treating Muslims we do away with biases a non religious or non-muslim resident would suffer yet we do not discriminate against the Muslims.

Secularism will do away with the problems in an Islamist system relating to which 'Islam' to impose when Muslims are divided into so many various sects and groups each believing something different. Here everyone will be equal.

Secularism if widely accepted by the Nation, will prevent commanders from using religion for their own gains and power. When the people will make religion a personal matter religious violence is sure to decline, allowing us to create a tolerant Nation. Something we currently lack.

Secularism will actually cause the growth of Islam and its evolution. In the past our rulers won the respect of minorities and their people and as a result Islam spread far and wide. Today we have forgotten the very actions of these leaders.

{Qoute}Taxation in the Caliphate is on excess wealth and not income, and there are no regressive taxes like VAT. The only taxes on companies are the agricultural land taxes (ushur and kharaj) that are a percentage of the agricultural produce or the land value. Non-agricultural companies do not pay this. Muslim owned companies will also pay the alms tax (zakat), but non-Muslim companies are exempt from this.

Non-Muslim men must pay a nominal tax called Jizya that gives them full citizenship rights, exempting them from National Service and taxes specific to Muslims such as zakat . Jizya is means tested and there are different bands for different levels of wealth. Caliph Omar imposed three bands for the Jizya tax - 4 dinars (£108) for the rich, 2 dinars (£54) for the middle class and 1 dinar (£27) for the poor. The Jizya tax rate is much lower than that of zakat, therefore the tax burden of non-Muslims is lower than that of Muslims in the Caliphate. {QUOTE}



Secularism will allow us to concentrate on bigger and better things. Like science, technology, culture and education which are much needed in Muslim states. Secularism has its obvious benefits because when religion is out of the equation we are not stuck on questions like the height of the shalwar.


Today Muslims are trying to kill each other and are at each others throats. Isn't anything better than Muslims blowing Muslims up? Shouldn't we try another system, something that actually works now? According to stats around 1 Million or more Muslims were killed (Most were killed by Muslims themselves) in the past 10 years. Isn't it time to reflect and judge whether the Islamist's system is actually working for us?


Secularism does not eliminate Islam or destroy it in anyway. People believing Islam cannot thrive under a secular system must ask the same question of 14 Million Muslims living in Europe. Secularism offers equality to everyone. This is the basic ideal of Secularism.

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dear thats what shaheed zulfiqar ali bhutto and shaheed benazir bhutto wer trying to appaly in pakistan
in pakistan only one party which wants sercularism in pakistan is pakistan peoples party but there leader killed in time to time
others all like imran khan nawaz sharif wants to talabanize pakistan in name of islam
 
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