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Secular activist Gauri Lankesh shot dead in Bengaluru

Point taken and I will try and keep that in mind sir. At times emotions do get the better of us.


I think the 3 points I made was not to you sir.
It was trying to expand the general outrage and the quantum of it when dealing with different cases.
Sunanda's case baffles me. This is a clear case where the establishment was used to silence a woman.
A Journalist should primarily be anti-establishment, no matter who the establishment is. In Sunanda's case the media and journalists have done a disservice. The tough questions were never asked. The investigative part of journalism was dealt a blow in this particular case.


Again, it was never intended as a reply to you.
Should have formatted my reply better.
This is again in the larger context of how the 'establishment' is trying to shield Tarn Tejpal. The reason why I brought these 3 cases is that the perpetrators in these 3 cases are part of the establishment.
Gauri was anti-establishment to a large extent. She had ideological differences with BJP & RSS. She was also taking on Corruption in Karnataka govt.
The people who with in 10 minutes of her death pointing fingers at BJP/Sangh are the same people who never questioned the establishment in the 3 cases I mentioned.


There is a video is him clearly harassing the young woman.
Point I am trying make sir is that if this was some one like Asaram, would the same liberal media be as docile?


There is difference between informing about a crime and doing investigative and critical analysis.
The liberal has done the former and have forgotten to do the latter. I would love to be proved wrong if one can show me a debate on these 3 cases in liberal media in last 6 months.

Sir, all victims in these 3 cases were woman. One murdered and 2 "raped". The same moral outrage or critical analysis on these 3 cases has not happened in the same way as I see in other cases.


Truth oftentimes is disgusting sir.
Sunanda was part of the same circle until she was scorned and tried to expose powerful people in her anger. Do you even remember the outrage after her murder?

I invite you, and others of your persuasion, to join me in the detailed labour that I have undertaken, educating a somewhat confused member about how the Indian Army looks at caste. The link is here.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...iscrimination.516095/page-6#post-9853607ERLAP.

You will see that it will keep me busy, especially as today is a working day. I am not very enthusiastic about those of us who spend more time on Indian social issues rather than on military issues. As the particular discussion I was referring to is a social issue raised about the Indian Army, it is a halfway house, and worth a visit.
 
Point taken and I will try and keep that in mind sir. At times emotions do get the better of us.


I think the 3 points I made was not to you sir.
It was trying to expand the general outrage and the quantum of it when dealing with different cases.
Sunanda's case baffles me. This is a clear case where the establishment was used to silence a woman.
A Journalist should primarily be anti-establishment, no matter who the establishment is. In Sunanda's case the media and journalists have done a disservice. The tough questions were never asked. The investigative part of journalism was dealt a blow in this particular case.

Does the fact that Gauri Lankesh have anything to do with the shift of arguments on the subject of her murder to the state of journalism in the country?

Our discussion is on the secular activist Gauri Lankesh being shot dead in Bangalore. Many of us have suspicions that this murder was committed because of her anti-right wing stand, a loud and clamorous stand. In response, one set of arguments seeks not to contradict what we have been saying; that set says,"WHAT ABOUT the failure of liberal media to take up the cudgels when ...."

Literally, what-aboutery. A diversion of the discussion by dragging in something quite different, or, on the other hand, identical in form but not the same. Here we are talking about one woman's murder. Where is the scope for shifting the discussion to the acts of omission and commission of the liberal media?

Again, it was never intended as a reply to you.
Should have formatted my reply better.

Understood, thank you. It is like being hit sharply on the shin by a stone chucked in my general direction, and being assured with grave apologies that it was intended for my ankle.

This is again in the larger context of how the 'establishment' is trying to shield Tarn Tejpal. The reason why I brought these 3 cases is that the perpetrators in these 3 cases are part of the establishment.

You do realise that the establishment is the government and those entities standing behind the government, not NDTV or The Hindu? How on earth can the opposition to the government and the ruling party suddenly become 'the establishment'?

I fully understand that this standing back-somersault is needed to make your next argument. Understand and commiserate with you.

Gauri was anti-establishment to a large extent. She had ideological differences with BJP & RSS. She was also taking on Corruption in Karnataka govt.

If you look at her track record, her major involvement has been with civil rights, with the Naxalites and with secularism, heavily under threat in Karnataka in recent years. Your correcting the balance is only fair; but others, I, for instance, see this as a riding tide of action against liberals by the spiteful Sangh Parivar.

The people who with in 10 minutes of her death pointing fingers at BJP/Sangh are the same people who never questioned the establishment in the 3 cases I mentioned.

You haven't seen a movie for the last three months; how come you're going to one today?

There is a video is him clearly harassing the young woman.
Point I am trying make sir is that if this was some one like Asaram, would the same liberal media be as docile?


There is difference between informing about a crime and doing investigative and critical analysis.
The liberal has done the former and have forgotten to do the latter. I would love to be proved wrong if one can show me a debate on these 3 cases in liberal media in last 6 months.

Sir, all victims in these 3 cases were woman. One murdered and 2 "raped". The same moral outrage or critical analysis on these 3 cases has not happened in the same way as I see in other cases.


Truth oftentimes is disgusting sir.
Sunanda was part of the same circle until she was scorned and tried to expose powerful people in her anger. Do you even remember the outrage after her murder?
 
If you look at her track record, her major involvement has been with civil rights, with the Naxalites and with secularism, heavily under threat in Karnataka in recent years. Your correcting the balance is only fair; but others, I, for instance, see this as a riding tide of action against liberals by the spiteful Sangh Parivar.

So you are confessing that you have a biased view.
 
You do realise that the establishment is the government and those entities standing behind the government, not NDTV or The Hindu? How on earth can the opposition to the government and the ruling party suddenly become 'the establishment'?

I fully understand that this standing back-somersault is needed to make your next argument. Understand and commiserate with you.

While I agree with your other points, here I want to make distinction.

I believe there are sections with in BJP who are trying to shield murders of Sunanda. She was going to blow the lid of some bad things happening in IPL, which, incidentally even a lot of BJP leaders are part of.

Also, when I speak of establishment, it's not just the current govt in power that becomes part of it. For example in media circles, Leutyens is the establishment. In academic circles, it's the left which is the establishment. in Right wing circles, it's the RSS which is the establishment. In Islamic circles it's the Muslim personal law board which is the establishment.
 
While I agree with your other points, here I want to make distinction.

I believe there are sections with in BJP who are trying to shield murders of Sunanda. She was going to blow the lid of some bad things happening in IPL, which, incidentally even a lot of BJP leaders are part of.

Also, when I speak of establishment, it's not just the current govt in power that becomes part of it. For example in media circles, Leutyens is the establishment. In academic circles, it's the left which is the establishment. in Right wing circles, it's the RSS which is the establishment. In Islamic circles it's the Muslim personal law board which is the establishment.

Point made.
 
The special investigation team formed by the Karnataka government to investigate the murder of journalist Gauri Lankesh is trying to find out if members of the Sanatan Sanstha are linked to the killing.

Investigators already suspect involvement of Sanstha members in the murder of CPI leader Govind Pansare.

A special investigation team formed by the Karnataka government to investigate the journalist's killing recently asked the Maharashtra Police to give copies of ..

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