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Secret exploratory peace talks between the United States and the Taliban leadership have broken down after details of the negotiations were leaked, Western diplomats have told The Daily Telegraph.

By Dean Nelson, Ben Farmer in Kabul
9:00PM BST 10 Aug 2011

The breakdown in the talks at such an early stage has led to recriminations and claims that the details of the meetings and the identity of the Taliban's chief negotiator were deliberately leaked by 'paranoid' Afghan government figures.
Absolute confidentiality had been a key condition for the meetings which were held in Germany and Qatar earlier this year between Tayeb Agha, Taliban leader Mullah Omar's former private secretary, and senior officials from the US State Department and Central Intelligence Agency. The meetings were chaired by Michael Steiner, Germany's special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan.
The talks were described as a preliminary exercise aimed at agreeing a series of confidence-building measures to persuade the Taliban that the United States and its allies are serious about a negotiated settlement, sources close to the talks told The Daily Telegraph.
They said Taliban leaders were extremely nervous about entering talks because of widespread scepticism among their own commanders who believed the Americans were only seeking dialogue to divide their movement and fears that any discussions would damage their own credibility.
But after only three sessions details of two meetings in Germany and one in Qatar – held in March and April - were leaked to the Washington Post and Der Spiegel news magazine which named Tayeb Agha as the key Taliban negotiator.

According to diplomatic sources and others close to the talks, Tayeb Agha has not been seen since and American officials have not been able to contact him through intermediaries in Quetta and Peshawar in Pakistan, where he is believed to live.
"The talks were a big deal, the real thing. I hope people will learn the lesson on the importance of confidentiality in the early stages. People in the US are horrified about what has happened," said one source close to the talks.
Sources in Kabul confirmed the talks appeared to have been "blown out of the water" by the publicity.
After years of the Taliban rejecting Hamid Karzai's overtures, news of contact with a senior aide to Mullah Omar had kindled cautious hope in Kabul.
Abdul Hakim Mujahid, the Taliban's former envoy to the United Nations and now a member of Mr Karzai's High Peace Council, told the Daily Telegraph in June that the contacts were "helpful".
He said: "[Tayeb Agha] is still very close to Mullah Mohammad Omar, it's a good sign. Not only close to Mullah Omar, but also close to Pakistan."
American officials had understood the need for complete confidentiality but decided President Hamid Karzai's government had to be kept informed of developments.
Michael Semple, the former deputy European Union representative in Kabul and a leading expert on Taliban thinking, said the disclosure of the talks and the identification of Tayeb Agha was regarded as damaging by the insurgents.
"The Taliban have long claimed that they will drive the foreigners out by force before contemplating talks. They need a period of confidential contact to satisfy themselves that there is something serious on offer to warrant them taking the big step of acknowledging that negotiations have to start now and not after things have been settled on the battlefield," he said.
"When the fact that talks had taken place and the identity of the Taliban envoy were leaked the Taliban shifted into their version of damage control. The leadership put it about that the contacts were nothing out of the ordinary. They were just routine discussions about prisoner releases, which a movement at war has to undertake periodically.
"It is hardly surprising that the Taliban chose to downplay the significance of Tayyab Agha's mission. In terms of progress towards negotiations which might end the war, it has proved a case of one step forward and two steps back," he added.

Link: Secret peace talks between US and Taliban collapse over leaks - Telegraph
 
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Nothing is secret. America were negotiating with Taliban prior to 9/11. It was Al-Quaida which spoil the party. After 9/11 America Asked Taliban to handover OBL . Taliban refused and denied that OBL was in Afghanistan.

America never give Sh** to human rights. They don't bother Afghani ppl. if some one thinking that US intention was to free Afghanistan from Taliban , then they are living in fools paradise.

Since now OBL was killed, US objective is fulfilled. Now they will make a move from Afghanistan. Before leaving it they want a possible solution to afghan problem. Talking to taliban is one of the possible solution..
 
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Nothing is secret. America were negotiating with Taliban prior to 9/11. It was Al-Quaida which spoil the party. After 9/11 America Asked Taliban to handover OBL . Taliban refused and denied that OBL was in Afghanistan.

America never give Sh** to human rights. They don't bother Afghani ppl. if some one thinking that US intention was to free Afghanistan from Taliban , then they are living in fools paradise.

Since now OBL was killed, US objective is fulfilled. Now they will make a move from Afghanistan. Before leaving it they want a possible solution to afghan problem. Talking to taliban is one of the possible solution..

Afghanistan is strategically important to the U.S. It is like a land based carrier against China, Russia and to a lesser degree India. It's a good choke point between Asia and the Middle-East.
 
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Afghanistan is strategically important to the U.S. It is like a land based carrier against China, Russia and to a lesser degree India. It's a good choke point between Asia and the Middle-East.

May be you are right... may be you are not completely right...


1. Against India: They don't need Afghanistan, They have massive fleet at Diago Garcia... And they have Pakistan...
2. Russia is not a threat , so they won't invest heavily in Afghanistan.
3. China: They have Pakistan, Japan and Korea. I think investing in Afghanistan will be foolish act..(even though Countries do foolish act most of time..)


More than military importance, I can see economical importance.. USA can tap Middle east gas and sell it to Pakistan/India through Afghanistan. This was one of the reason why USA was in talk with taliban before 9/11. Middle earth have massive resources, US is eyeing over it...
 
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May be you are right... may be you are not completely right...


1. Against India: They don't need Afghanistan, They have massive fleet at Diago Garcia... And they have Pakistan...
2. Russia is not a threat , so they won't invest heavily in Afghanistan.
3. China: They have Pakistan, Japan and Korea. I think investing in Afghanistan will be foolish act..(even though Countries do foolish act most of time..)


More than military importance, I can see economical importance.. USA can tap Middle east gas and sell it to Pakistan/India through Afghanistan. This was one of the reason why USA was in talk with taliban before 9/11. Middle earth have massive resources, US is eyeing over it...

It's about planning and thinking ahead. U.S. knows where the money is at and where it will head to in the future.

To India and to Russia it may seem murky and irrelevant right now, but sooner or later it will be a thorn in the backside when both countries start to branch out further. It's not as simple as fighting terrorists. America wants presence and control there for good reasons. They would not waste time and money there if they do not have any interests there.

To China, yes we have a close and trustworthy ally Pakistan, but we can all see for ourselves what is happening in the borders between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
 
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Good that the peace talks between them have failed....:tup:

More innocents are gonna die the more such talks fail on both sides of the border.

May be that doesn't matter to you guys as Indians/Chinese or other then Pakistanis/Americans/NATO are not getting killed.

Peace talks are the way if this conflict has to be ended and stability to be brought to this region.

US / NATO can't defeat the Taliban through military means, stick and carrot are the best way to bring end to this conflict and stop more innocents getting killed.
 
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More innocents are gonna die the more such talks fail on both sides of the border.

May be that doesn't matter to you guys as Indians are not getting killed.

Temporarily for Pakistan maybe Yes!

But in the long run the whole region will be affected.
 
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More innocents are gonna die the more such talks fail on both sides of the border.

May be that doesn't matter to you guys as Indians are not getting killed.

But Pakistan never encouraged these talks.... Both of them are accused of terrorising and attacking soldiers at border points.

We never liked the talks because they have been attacking our projects( read infrastructure and development) inside Afghanistan.

We want US to clear the mess they created by themselves.
 
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Temporarily for Pakistan maybe Yes!

But in the long run the whole region will be affected.

Not just Pakistanis, Afghans, Americans, NATO soldiers are gonna keep dieing.

Without peace, nothing will bring stability in this region.
 
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But Pakistan never encouraged these talks.... Both of them are accused of terrorising and attacking soldiers at border points.

We never liked the talks because they have been attacking our projects( read infrastructure and development) inside Afghanistan.

We want US to clear the mess they created by themselves.

Pakistan has always encouraged the talks, from day one. Just after 9/11 it was Pakistan which got engaged with the Taliban to not bring war to this region and even succeeded in agreeing the Taliban to hand out OBL to a neutral / 3rd country for charging OBL in the court of law and find OBl guilty, but it was the US which refused the option and went for war.

And its not your infrastructure or men which are getting attacked, its everyone which gets attacked and killed.

Indians may be looking after their profits in these projects, but we are looking at another picture, which is larger then the profits / benefits picture of what Indians see in their projects.

And US will not be able to clear this mess with just force.
 
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More innocents are gonna die the more such talks fail on both sides of the border.

May be that doesn't matter to you guys as Indians/Chinese or other then Pakistanis/Americans/NATO are not getting killed.

Peace talks are the way if this conflict has to be ended and stability to be brought to this region.

US / NATO can't defeat the Taliban through military means, stick and carrot are the best way to bring end to this conflict and stop more innocents getting killed.

More importantly, peace to Afghan, Pakistani, Chinese, Russian and Indian lives to be respected by them.
U.S. shouldn't be there in the first place. As a country they are nowhere near the region.
Personally, I see the break down of talks between them as a good thing to go on top of America's already crippling economy.
When they have less influence and is forced out of the region, then stability can be restored.
 
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Not just Pakistanis, Afghans, Americans, NATO soldiers are gonna keep dieing.

Without peace, nothing will bring stability in this region.

Assuming, there is peace made , what guarantee is there that things will not go back the way they were in 90s?
Taliban will actually not cause trouble for Pakistan or CARs?
 
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More importantly, peace to Afghan, Pakistani, Chinese, Russian and Indian lives to be respected by them.
U.S. shouldn't be there in the first place. As a country they are nowhere near the region.
Personally, I see the break down of talks between them as a good thing to go on top of America's already crippling economy.
When they have less influence and is forced out of the region, then stability can be restored.

Problem is Taliban will never ever let US have any presence in their country.

So, i was already skeptical of the negotiations, but then again there may always be a hope.

Who knows the US may have realized that no matter what they do or give away in peace talks, Taliban will never welcome them in their country, which has been their stance from day one.
 
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