SD-10 vs AIM-120 (Latest versions)

[MZUBAIR]

AIM-120

SD-10A

 

[MZUBAIR]

Designs are quite similar...The PL-12 is outwardly very similar to the US-designed AIM-120 AMRAAM. The two share a comparable aerodynamic configuration, although the PL-12 is a little longer, wider and heavier than the AMRAAM ....

According to Chinese claims, PL-12 is more capable than the American AIM-120 A/B, but slightly inferior than the AIM-120C.


lets discuss abt features, Capabilities and performance

 

[MZUBAIR]

Aviation News Sina officially opened today in Zhuhai Air Show, Zhuhai air show in this, a variety of airborne weapons made appearances for the enriched air show.

SD10 air missiles

this air show was finally revealed SD10 (PL12)-type mid-range air to air missile data. SD10 Its total length is about missile 3934mm, the projectile diameter 203mm, fighting the whole weight 199kg (Chinese version reported as 198kg) wingspan range of 52mm, the maximum high range shot 0-21km, maximum flight distance is more than 70km. Guidance technology used 3A + mode: Multi-frequency radio data link + + DIN radar control guidance.

up to weather, all in all areas, automatic (after launching) the automatic attack mode. Its overall performance is still said to close US-made “AIM120 medium-range air to air missiles,” but in the precision-guided, against interference or slightly inferior to the other side the next.

but at the moment PL12/SD10 has been identified as a new generation of standardization as the main force of the Chinese Air Force air strikes against missile weapons, and it will replace some of the existing missile system. Pakistan Air Force at the same time showcase the “Fierce Dragon” is also equipped with a side SD10 missiles, according to Pakistani military, said: “This is a sea-fight” side.

Source

 

[MZUBAIR]

Unit Cost.
AIM-120
$300-$400,000 for 120C variants,


SD-10
$84,000 USD

SD-10 is cheaper then AIM-120

Both have 4 MACH speed

Surface launched version

Both have surface launch versions as SAM

 

[Chogy]

We can only compare the most basic published data. What is most important in both of these is going to be classified.

 

[gubbi]

We can only compare the most basic published data. What is most important in both of these is going to be classified.

If it isnt asking for too much, what sort of parameters are classified? If the info that many are exposed to during arms fairs or exhibitions isnt enough to pitch for sales, then manufacturers certainly have to unveil these classified parameters to potential customers. Does classified info leak from such sources or can such info be 'abused' buy the potential customer for their own advantage?

 

[A1Kaid]

Designs are quite similar...The PL-12 is outwardly very similar to the US-designed AIM-120 AMRAAM. The two share a comparable aerodynamic configuration, although the PL-12 is a little longer, wider and heavier than the AMRAAM ....

According to Chinese claims, PL-12 is more capable than the American AIM-120 A/B, but slightly inferior than the AIM-120C.


lets discuss abt features, Capabilities and performance

Any good source claiming the Chinese claim PL-12 is "more capable" (superior) to the AIM-120A? From what I've read the two missiles are similar in performance, if however the PL-12 is superior to the AIM-120A it's probably in maneuverability.

 

[rsingh]

SD-10 No Combat experience.

 

[Donatello]

SD-10 No Combat experience.

How much experience does the IAF have with the R-77s on their SU30s or R-77s in general.


Don't spam with one liners....

 

[rsingh]

^^^^
Must have seen some action under Russians.

 

[Chogy]

If it isnt asking for too much, what sort of parameters are classified? If the info that many are exposed to during arms fairs or exhibitions isnt enough to pitch for sales, then manufacturers certainly have to unveil these classified parameters to potential customers. Does classified info leak from such sources or can such info be 'abused' buy the potential customer for their own advantage?

We had a pretty comprehensive discussion on this subject, but I forgot the thread... sorry. Basically, the classified portions of any weapons system deals with the nuts and bolts of the operation. Things like true kinematic capabilities. Fuzing... how does it work, what is the real (true) effective radius of the warhead? How does the missile resist ECM, IRCM? Actual minimum and maximum effective ranges, not figures from a brochure. Frequencies and methods of active homing guidance. Off-boresight capabilities. Hidden capabilities that only the manufacturer and operators are privvy to.

The world of military hardware is loaded with secret/classified capabilities that no one here knows about, or if they do, they will certainly not say anything about them.

 

[BATMAN]

We can only compare the most basic published data. What is most important in both of these is going to be classified.

from operator point of view he only see performance, what components goes inside to acheive is good to know but dosn't matter if kept classified.

PAF will have both AIM-120C and SD-10A and their comparitive performace will be evelauated closely.

SD-10 is more heavy than AIM-120C, while PAF does not have the latest AIM-120D.

In war senario range will never be an issue but its immunity to jamming must be increased, which i guess will be improved without problems.

 

[nightcrawler]

Designs are quite similar...The PL-12 is outwardly very similar to the US-designed AIM-120 AMRAAM.

Dont be so hasty sir; closer look at the two missiles reveal that they have different tail planforms**...SD-10 planform is more kinked (has more edges) than the AIM-120. This add to a greater lift & reduces drag as well.

**

In aviation, a planform is the shape and layout of a fixed-wing aircraft's fuselage and wing.

In general the vortex(s) thus produced at the edges interact downstream in such a way so as to produce 'vortex core' to increase lift/reduce drag

 

[satishkumarcsc]

We had a pretty comprehensive discussion on this subject, but I forgot the thread... sorry. Basically, the classified portions of any weapons system deals with the nuts and bolts of the operation. Things like true kinematic capabilities. Fuzing... how does it work, what is the real (true) effective radius of the warhead? How does the missile resist ECM, IRCM? Actual minimum and maximum effective ranges, not figures from a brochure. Frequencies and methods of active homing guidance. Off-boresight capabilities. Hidden capabilities that only the manufacturer and operators are privvy to.

The world of military hardware is loaded with secret/classified capabilities that no one here knows about, or if they do, they will certainly not say anything about them.

Sir,
How can we compare the two missiles with basic information like size, shape and outward looks when most of the inside electronics and the operational tactics, seeker range and all are classified?...I think this might most probably turn into a pissing contest as AIM 120 is a tested and proven missile compared to the AIM 120 for which a few parameters are available albeit for the A?B versions....The C-5, C-7 and D versions have almost nothing in common other than the outer shell compared to A/B versions. And we also dont know the performance parameters of SD 10 and the Tactics for BVR combat evolved by the respective air forces for the SD 10.

I find it very difficult even to start an argument on this...kindly help me out.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir,
How can we compare the two missiles with basic information like size, shape and outward looks when most of the inside electronics and the operational tactics, seeker range and all are classified?...I think this might most probably turn into a pissing contest as AIM 120 is a tested and proven missile compared to the AIM 120 for which a few parameters are available albeit for the A?B versions....The C-5, C-7 and D versions have almost nothing in common other than the outer shell compared to A/B versions. And we also dont know the performance parameters of SD 10 and the Tactics for BVR combat evolved by the respective air forces for the SD 10.

I find it very difficult even to start an argument on this...kindly help me out.

Hi,

I believe that Chogy made it very clear in his post what it is all about---over here we put a post on the board---and all the kids dig up the specs from different web-sites----and strut around their posts as they have found their own new god.

Truthfully---there is hardly any comparison between an SD 10 and an AIM 120---.

SD 10 is a first true bvr by the chinese---aim 120 has a pedigree a sheet long---. It is not saying bad about the missile---but seems like it is becoming a habbit of my pak colleagues of MAKING A MONSTER OUT OF A MONKEY.

SD 10 will indeed grow up to become an aim 120 in maybe the next 10 years---but today---it has to endure many a growing pains that only a missile can bear.