Scythians - The Greatest Warriors of World

[Surenas]

That's a strong theory but unlikely. Ossestians are most likely indigenous Caucasian people like the Circassians, Chechens, Georgians etc. but switched to an Iranic language. Like the Azeris, they are mostly Turkic by language, but not racially of Turko-Mongol descent, they are native Caucasians.

Not correct. Genetic tests shows:

The Ossetians are a unique ethnic group of the Caucasus, being the only people found on both the north and south slopes of the mountain, also speaking an Indo-European language surrounded by Caucasian ethnolinguistic groups. The Y-haplogroup data indicate that North Ossetians are more similar to other North Caucasian groups, and South Ossetians are more similar to other South Caucasian groups, than to each other. Also, with respect to mtDNA, Ossetians are significantly more similar to Iranian groups than to Caucasian groups. It is thus suggested that that there is a common origin of Ossetians from Iran, followed by subsequent male-mediated migrations from their Caucasian neighbours.

Ossetians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Shahin Vatani]

That's a strong theory but unlikely. Ossestians are most likely indigenous Caucasian people like the Circassians, Chechens, Georgians etc. but switched to an Iranic language. Like the Azeris, they are mostly Turkic by language, but not racially of Turko-Mongol descent, they are native Caucasians.

Most of caucasus and central Asia used to be Iranic. Ossetians are a remnant of the previously Iranic Caucasus. They have always been Iranic and are descendants of the Alans.

 

[Surenas]

Question 1) what makes them Iranian? Did they emigrate from Iran to Russian steppes?

Language, culture and genetics. And second question: yes.

Question 2) which language did they speak? And what proof can you bring?

They spoke Scythian, and now Ossetian, which they call 'Iron'. Eastern Iranian people (like Pashtuns) pronounce the 'A' as 'O', so 'Iron' actually means 'Iran'.

Question 3) if Scythians were a single clan, who are the ancestors of Finno-Ugric people living in And around Ural Mountains?

The Scythians weren't a single clan, just like the Persians weren't.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Language, culture and genetics. And second question: yes.

They spoke Scythian, and now Ossetian, which they call 'Iron'. Eastern Iranian people (like Pashtuns) pronounce the 'A' as 'O', so 'Iron' actually means 'Iran'.

The Scythians weren't a single clan, just like the Persians weren't.

We dont know the language they spoke. Just as before I told. Scythians had 7 different languages according to Herodotus. Therefore There is No such thing as Scythian language.

Ossetians are just one single clan, where do you put indigenous clans such as proto-Slavs, Chechens, Avars and Magyars, and other Uralic people living around Desht-i Qypchak?

 

[Surenas]

And Ossetians still see themselves as Iranians.

Mark: Hi, Where and what is Ossetia if I may ask?

Lesya: Ossetians are a group of ancient Indo-European people related to Iranians actually, however, most of us are Christian and European lifestyle but live in caucuses traditions. We live in the Northern Caucasus mountains which was close to the original Indo-European homeland. That is the group of people from Ireland to India belong. So we I guess like to pride ourselves that we are the primordial archaeal types of the of western culture. OK maybe I am exaggerating a bit. But I love my culture.

What do women want – Ossetian girl

 

[Shahin Vatani]

Scythians had 7 different languages according to Herodotus.

The Scythian languages (pron.: /ˈsɪθiən/ or /ˈsɪðiən/) are the Eastern Iranian languages of the classical and late antiquity period, spoken in a vast region of Eurasia named Scythia. The Scythian languages belong to the Indo-Iranian branch of the Indo-European language family.

Scythian languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Surenas]

We dont know the language they spoke.

Yes, we know. Ancient Scythian names shows close affinity with Ossetian names. And Ossetian language is still part of the Iranian people.

Just as before I told. Scythians had 7 different languages according to Herodotus. Therefore There is No such thing as Scythian language.

Iranian language has dozens of sub-languages too. Doesn't mean that there is no Iranian language, because there is.

Ossetians are just one single clan

They are descendants of ancient Sarmatians/Scythians. Most experts agree with that.

 

[ThunderCat]

Not correct. Genetic tests shows:



Ossetians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So they are a mix of indigenous Caucasians from their Y-chromosome and mtDNA from Iranic invaders or migrants. It's interesting though that the native men mixed with the migrating women, usually the invading tribe takes the native women and breeds with them. Thanks for sharing.

Iranian language has dozens of sub-languages too. Doesn't mean that there is no Iranian language, because there is.

Iranic is not a single language, but a family of languages. They descend from a common language called Proto-Iranic which is now extinct.

 

[Surenas]

So they are a mix of indigenous Caucasians from their Y-chromosome and mtDNA from Iranic invaders or migrants. Ir's interesting though that the native men mixed with the migrating women, usually the invading tribe takes the native women and breeds with them. Thanks for sharing.

Correct, but the interesting (remarkable) thing about eastern Iranian people was the role of women in their societies. For instance, we know that ancient Sarmatians and Massagetae had women fighters, and women were allowed to have multiple spouses or sexual partners, but the man only one. The name was also given by the mother, unlike a patrilineal society where the name of the father is passed to son and daughter. Iranian people also had famous Iranian female commanders, like Tomyris and Artemisia.

You can even see that today, were Iranian females are quite independent and combative. You can see that also with Kurds, another Iranian people, where you often see women fighters. Unfortunately, the influence of foreign religions (Semitic) also destroyed this tradition, but its still there.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Scythian languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Check Herodotus. Book 4 chapter 20 to 30 (?) forgot the exact chapter number.

Swedes also speak an Indo European language. That doesnt make them Iranian, right? Language does not make two genetically different people one nation. Indian-European road did culturally and linguistically shaped the people in and around the European Indian trade routes. But white skinned Blond Europeans and dark skinned Indo-Iranians are not single entity.

Ossetians are one of the many clans which inhabited Eurasian steppes.

 

[Surenas]

Swedes also speak an Indo European language. That doesnt make them Iranian, right?

Swedes speak Indo-European, but not an Iranian language. Ossetians do.

Language does not make two genetically different people one nation.

Ossetians cluster with Iranians, and Ossetians are descendants of the Scythians. Simple, not?

But white skinned Blond Europeans and dark skinned Indo-Iranians are not single entity.

Who said that? And you have enough variety in skin color among Iranians. Iranians are European/Caucasian based on skull structure and other physical traits. Skin color doesn't say a sh!t.

The Irano-Afghan race was a term used in scientific racism for the populations native to the Iranian plateau. The Irano-Afghan type was classified as belonging to the greater Caucasian race, and was variously associated with either the Nordic or the Mediterranean subtypes, depending on the authority consulted.

Carleton S. Coon in his The Races of Europe classifies the Indo-Afghans and Irano-Afghans as Nordic, describing them as being long-faced, high-headed and nose-hooked. Bertil Lundman by contrast postulates an "Iranid" subtype of his "Eastern Mediterranean" race. Earnest Hooton in 1946 describes the "Iranian Plateau type" as distinct from the Atlanto-Mediterranean one:

Irano-Afghan race - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ossetians are one of the many clans which inhabited Eurasian steppes.

Iranian clan, indeed.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

Check Herodotus. Book 4 chapter 20 to 30 (?) forgot the exact chapter number.

Swedes also speak an Indo European language. That doesnt make them Iranian, right? Language does not make two genetically different people one nation. Indian-European road did culturally and linguistically shaped the people in and around the European Indian trade routes. But white skinned Blond Europeans and dark skinned Indo-Iranians are not single entity.

Ossetians are one of the many clans which inhabited Eurasian steppes.

Herodotus is the same clown that said 2.6 Million Iranians got defeated by 5000 Greeks in a battle. So I don't take his opinions very seriously. Also the source I gave mentioned clearly they are Iranians, as I originally highlighted, not merely Indo-Europeans.

Now we are on subject of single entity, it could also be said that Central Asian Turks with Epicanthic fold and dark skinned Anatolian Turks are not the same entity.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Scythians are the name of people dwelling around northern shores of Black Sea. Nomad in culture. Ethnically not homogenous. Check also Hippokrates' "of air water And places". Uneducated Medieval Greeks also did call Cumans "Scythians"

Bible also mentions Scythians and Sarmatians. Forgot which chapter. By the time of Jesus, Scythians faded into history under the pressure of Goths, Slavs and Uralo-Altaic expansions.

Herodotus is the same clown that said 2.6 Million Iranians got defeated by 5000 Greeks in a battle. So I don't take his opinions very seriously. Also the source I gave mentioned clearly they are Iranians, as I originally highlighted, not merely Indo-Europeans.

Now we are on subject of single entity, it could also be said that Central Asian Turks with Epicanthic fold and dark skinned Anatolian Turks are not the same entity.

Herodotus gives higher figure for Greeks. More than 5.000. First read it.

 

[Surenas]

Scythians are the name of people dwelling around northern shores of Black Sea. Nomad in culture. Ethnically not homogenous. Check also Hippokrates' "of air water And places". Uneducated Medieval Greeks also did call Cumans "Scythians''

Scythians were clustered by common culture, tradition, language (family branch), etc. They were Iranian (ancestry), and most experts and historians agree with this notion. The rest is not important.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

Herodotus gives higher figure for Greeks. More than 5.000. First read it.

What, 6000? 7000? Still clownish.