Scythians - The Greatest Warriors of World

[Alienoz_TR]

Scythians were not Iranian, but Iranic. Iranians simply refers to people from the modern country Iran. Iranic refers to peoples of a common source and their language family. The proto-Iranic people did not live in Iran but somewhere in central Asia. And also a lot of people from Iran (Iranians) are not Iranic. Like Kyrgyz people are not Turkish but Turkic. Same way Scythians were not Iranian but Iranic.

1) Were Persians and Scythians same people? If so, Why did Herodotus say: Scythians had 7 different languages, and No mentions about Persian language?! Check Herodotus, Histories, book 4.

2) i am still waiting for a response about the ancestors of Magyars, Slavs, Circassians, Chechens and others etc...

 

[Ethiopian Dude]

Please ignore this Afro/Indo centricist. Don't waste time on people like these.[/QU

Albino indians look exactly like northern nordic europeans( straight blonde or red hair...blue, green eyes etc) thats a fact. neither african albinos nor asian albinos can ever pass for white northern europeans although they have depigmented skin and colored eyes they dont have caucasian bone structures and caucasian hair in the case of the african albinos.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Albino indians look exactly like northern nordic europeans( straight blonde or red hair...blue, green eyes etc) thats a fact. neither african albinos nor asian albinos can ever pass for white northern europeans although they have depigmented skin and colored eyes they dont have caucasian bone structures and caucasian hair in the case of the african albinos.

A Blond European and A Brown skinned Indian belong to same language family because of cultural exchange. Albinoism is a sickness, but being white is not.

 

[Surenas]

- dubbel...

 

[Surenas]

Please ignore this Afro/Indo centricist. Don't waste time on people like these.[/QU

Albino indians look exactly like northern nordic europeans( straight blonde or red hair...blue, green eyes etc) thats a fact. neither african albinos nor asian albinos can ever pass for white northern europeans although they have depigmented skin and colored eyes they dont have caucasian bone structures and caucasian hair in the case of the african albinos.

Bullsh!t. Indians have a much different skull structure than Nordics Europeans.

1) Were Persians and Scythians same people? If so, Why did Herodotus say: Scythians had 7 different languages, and No mentions about Persian language?! Check Herodotus, Histories, book 4./

Persians and Scythians were both Iranian.

2) i am still waiting for a response about the ancestors of Magyars, Slavs, Circassians, Chechens and others etc...

Who gives a damn?

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Persians and Scythians were both Iranian.

Who gives a damn?

While Descendants of Magyars, Slavs, Chechens and Circassians roam the steppes in 2013, there are No Iranians on the Eurasian steppes. Guess why?

What happened to them, can you clarify this question as well? Your response would probably be: Bad Turks massacred "Iranic Scythians" or Iranic Bulgars still live there.

History is a social science, therefore results are subjective and may vary according to the individual tendencies.

 

[ThunderCat]

1) Were Persians and Scythians same people? If so, Why did Herodotus say: Scythians had 7 different languages, and No mentions about Persian language?! Check Herodotus, Histories, book 4.

2) i am still waiting for a response about the ancestors of Magyars, Slavs, Circassians, Chechens and others etc...

1) Persians and Scythians were not the same people, but related peoples with a common origin, both of them being Iranic.

2) Magyar/Hungarians are a central European people with some Finno-Ugric roots, but very little. Their DNA is mostly the same as other central Europeans. Slavs are a a group of ethnic groups who are Indo-European. Chechen, Circassians, Georgians, Azeris, Lezghins are mostly indigenous Caucasian populations with some external genetic influence but not by much.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

1) Persians and Scythians were not the same people, but related peoples with a common origin, both of them being Iranic.

2) Magyar/Hungarians are a central European people with some Finno-Ugric roots, but very little. Their DNA is mostly the same as other central Europeans. Slavs are a a group of ethnic groups who are Indo-European. Chechen, Circassians, Georgians, Azeris, Lezghins are mostly indigenous Caucasian populations with some external genetic influence but not by much.

OK, to which race belong Pakistanis? Balouch? Pashtun? Sindi? Punjabi? Neither. Scythians were nomadic tribes who were not homogenous. Pre-Jesus era was same as today where ethnic groups live side by side; but borders were not clear. Therefore you cant bring any evidence on how much Iranic or how much Nordic or how much Uralic or how much Caucasian the Scythians were.

Considering Scythians an Iranic group makes them non-indigenous to Desht-i Qypchak or Eurasian Steppes, native peoples existed before Scythians. Languages dont appear all sudden one day.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

OK, to which race belong Pakistanis? Balouch? Pashtun? Sindi? Punjabi? Neither. Scythians were nomadic tribes who were not homogenous. Pre-Jesus era was same as today where ethnic groups live side by side; but borders were not clear. Therefore you cant bring any evidence on how much Iranic or how much Nordic or how much Uralic or how much Caucasian the Scythians were.

Considering Scythians an Iranic group makes them non-indigenous to Desht-i Qypchak or Eurasian Steppes, native peoples existed before Scythians. Languages dont appear all sudden one day.

The Central Asian Scythians seem to be Iranic at very beginning, while later it got Turkified.

While the East European Scythians seem to be very Slavic, later many of them have abandoned the nomadic lifestyle, while some others became the Don Cossacks.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

The Central Asian Scythians seem to be Iranic at very beginning, while later it got Turkified.

While the East European Scythians seem to be very Slavic, later many of them have abandoned the nomadic lifestyle, while some others became the Don Cossacks.

Herodotus say: Scythians used 7 different translators to communicate various tribes. Source: Herodotus, Book 4, chapter 24.

Ethnic homogenity was out of place in 600 BC; is still out of place in 2013. Iranic migration to Eurasian steppes could not have changed the entire ethnic structure. If it had, there would not be Circassians, Lezgins, Magyars or Slavs today. Almost all of them would be Ossetians today as Surenas try to prove.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Herodotus say: Scythians used 7 different translators to communicate various tribes. Source: Herodotus, Book 4, chapter 24.

Ethnic homogenity was out of place in 600 BC; is still out of place in 2013. Iranic migration to Eurasian steppes could not have changed the entire ethnic structure. If it had, there would not be Circassians, Lezgins, Magyars or Slavs today. Almost all of them would be Ossetians today as Surenas try to prove.

The Ossetians seem to be the native men from Caucasus mixed with the Amazon women.

They have very few R1a which is the standard Scytho-Sarmatian gene marker, while they got the mtDNA from the Scytho-Sarmatian tribes.

And culturally they are also the heirs of the Scytho-Sarmatian heritage.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

And culturally they are also the heirs of the Scytho-Sarmatian heritage.

1) Magyars were also nomadic, but come from a different language family. Culturally they are as much as Scytho-Sarmatian.

2) Amazon women race is a myth. Every nomadic race had woman warriors, from Scythians to Mongols.

3) connecting light skinned Scythians to dark skinned Iranians is a bit exaggeration. I mean No offence to cultural exchange, but making them one race is something like putting Apple and orange into same basket and calling fruit.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

3) connecting light skinned Scythians to dark skinned Iranians is a bit exaggeration. I mean No offence to cultural exchange, but making them one race is something like putting Apple and orange into same basket and calling fruit.

The general phenotype of the early unmixed Scythians (especially those from East Europe) were predominantly Indo-European Nordic with light complexion, while neither Turks or modern Iranians are close to this type on average.

 

[INDIC]

A Blond European and A Brown skinned Indian belong to same language family because of cultural exchange. Albinoism is a sickness, but being white is not.

Indians are brown because of mixture of different races, it was not cultural exchange.

 

[BeyondHeretic]

1) Magyars were also nomadic, but come from a different language family. Culturally they are as much as Scytho-Sarmatian.

2) Amazon women race is a myth. Every nomadic race had woman warriors, from Scythians to Mongols.

3) connecting light skinned Scythians to dark skinned Iranians is a bit exaggeration. I mean No offence to cultural exchange, but making them one race is something like putting Apple and orange into same basket and calling fruit.

I think the world Scythian is hijacked for most part , by western academians , that's why you might have the presumption they were all light skinned , while they were not. Scythians as Wikipedia tries to portrait were all the people who were somewhat influenced by the central Asian saka , the saka were horsemen and they were good archers , the rest of the ancient world must have learnt horsemanship and archery from them either directly or indirectly , imo.

Persians were a vassal of medes and other Mesopotamian civilizations and they were archers but they were foot archers , so you might be right , they could be not much related to scythians.