Scary Ukraine in Turkey's door step

[airmarshal]

What is the history between Ukraine and Turkey?

How does an unstable Ukraine affect Turkey across the Black Sea?

Can Turkish friends on this forum please give their point of view on these questions? @TurAr @Neptune @cabatli_53 @Sinan Anyone?

 

[Hakan]

What is the history between Ukraine and Turkey?

How does an unstable Ukraine affect Turkey across the Black Sea?

Can Turkish friends on this forum please give their point of view on these questions? @TurAr @Neptune @cabatli_53 @Sinan Anyone?

Historicly the Turks have been very active in Ukraine. Various Turkish empires ruled over Ukraine including the Huns, Pechenegs, Cumans, and khazars etc.. During the time of the ottoman empire the crimean khanate ruled over much of Ukraine until the mid to late 1700's. The Ottomans used the Tatars as a buffer between themselves and the Russians. Because Ukraine was dominated by Russia we really didn't have any relations with Ukrainians untill they became independent 20 years ago and I would say that the relations were pretty good. Looking at Ukraine as a Turk I would like to see them in the long term become Independent of Russia and maybe even eventually get rid of that black sea fleet but it doesn't look like that will happen any time soon. the Russians see Ukraine as an important territory because if someone controls it they can become a major threat to russia the Tatars being a prime example back in the day.

Huns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pechenegs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Cumans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Khazars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Golden Horde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Crimean Khanate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[airmarshal]

Historicly the Turks have been very active in Ukraine. Various Turkish empires ruled over Ukraine including the Huns, Pechenegs, Cumans, and khazars etc.. During the time of the ottoman empire the crimean khanate ruled over much of Ukraine until the mid to late 1700's. The Ottomans used the Tatars as a buffer between themselves and the Russians. Because Ukraine was dominated by Russia we really didn't have any relations with Ukrainians untill they became independent 20 years ago and I would say that the relations were pretty good. Looking at Ukraine as a Turk I would like to see them in the long term become Independent of Russia and maybe even eventually get rid of that black sea fleet but it doesn't look like that will happen any time soon. the Russians see Ukraine as an important territory because if someone controls it they can become a major threat to russia the Tatars being a prime example back in the day.

Huns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pechenegs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Cumans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Khazars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Golden Horde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Crimean Khanate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thank you for a great reply. I was looking at this historical perspective.

 

[LordTyrannus]

The Crimea is our Home: Get your troops out! :: khpg.org.ua
check this out....

russian tourist in crimea

A nice example for the Ukranian Nazi´s Turk Hatred. I wonder what will Kiev do to Turkic minority in Western ukraine?

 

[Shah9]

where does the video mention Turkey???

misleading title

 

[Brutas]

Historicly the Turks have been very active in Ukraine. Various Turkish empires ruled over Ukraine including the Huns, Pechenegs, Cumans, and khazars etc.. During the time of the ottoman empire the crimean khanate ruled over much of Ukraine until the mid to late 1700's. The Ottomans used the Tatars as a buffer between themselves and the Russians. Because Ukraine was dominated by Russia we really didn't have any relations with Ukrainians untill they became independent 20 years ago and I would say that the relations were pretty good. Looking at Ukraine as a Turk I would like to see them in the long term become Independent of Russia and maybe even eventually get rid of that black sea fleet but it doesn't look like that will happen any time soon. the Russians see Ukraine as an important territory because if someone controls it they can become a major threat to russia the Tatars being a prime example back in the day.

Since Russia annexed Crimea, time for Turkey to expand it's own sphere of influence. Turks should take back North Caucasus Dagestan-Chechnya etc). Georgia will allow Turkish troops to pass thru and even might join (Georgian territory was also annexed by Russians). World will support the Turks. Russia can't fight in all fronts (EU, Ukraine, Turks, Chechens etc). Time for Turkey to play a bigger role in the region.

 

[T-123456]

Since Russia annexed Crimea, time for Turkey to expand it's own sphere of influence. Turks should take back North Caucasus Dagestan-Chechnya etc). Georgia will allow Turkish troops to pass thru and even might join (Georgian territory was also annexed by Russians). World will support the Turks. Russia can't fight in all fronts (EU, Ukraine, Turks, Chechens etc). Time for Turkey to play a bigger role in the region.

Nobody will support us and we are not in the position to do something.
The EU will only talk big,Ukraine will only cry for help and neither the US nor the EU can do anything against Rùssia.

 

[LordTyrannus]

Nobody will support us and we are not in the position to do something.
The EU will only talk big,Ukraine will only cry for help and neither the US nor the EU can do anything against Rùssia.

The USA did force Russia to this move. Ukraine doesnt matter for US Hegemony. The Goal of this was to isolate Russia in the United Nations as a Veto Power.

 

[T-123456]

The USA did force Russia to this move. Ukraine doesnt matter for US Hegemony. The Goal of this was to isolate Russia in the United Nations as a Veto Power.

Wrong,Russia needs the Krim for the Black-Sea Fleet,a new Ukrainian government would suspend all argeements with Russia,no Krim would mean a new port(think of the costs and the loss of territory) for the Black-Sea Fleet.
You would have to build a new port along the Russian Black-Sea region,it would be more difficult to hide the ships and subs in case of a war with,lets say ''NATO'' and thats the biggest concern Putin has.

 

[LordTyrannus]

Wrong,Russia needs the Krim for the Black-Sea Fleet,a new Ukrainian government would suspend all argeements with Russia,no Krim would mean a new port(think of the costs and the loss of territory) for the Black-Sea Fleet.
You would have to build a new port along the Russian Black-Sea region,it would be more difficult to hide the ships and subs in case of a war with,lets say ''NATO'' and thats the biggest concern Putin has.

Putin already prepares for the inevitable. Thats a hot war with NATO.

He tried to appel to the common sense of those NWO pawns back in Munich.

But the only Concern of the Globalists is just to take out Russia from the United Nations council. They dont care about war and heavy losses. The boardering NATO countries like Turkey will suffer the most.

US Plan is to kick out Russia from Uno security council and isolate China.