SC brings up Brutus during marine case hearing

[janon]

that is what i said janon....it might be a diplomatic violation...but they are ready to do even that to save their citizens....while as an indian i should be outraged....if it were an italian...i would be proud of my country....and if situation was reverse.....frankly...you would be feeling proud too...that india risked everything to save its citizens......

To save their citizens, all they needed to do was to argue their case in court, or even question the authority of the court. Their government did not do it because of how important their people are to them - they did it because it was politically beneficial for them to do so. (Which is how all elected governments act). Now they can boast about it to their electorate and get votes. It is that simple. Which is why I said that India can still make them rue that act, because if we put enough pressure, we can ensure that any votes they may get as a result of this action will be more than offset by the votes they loose, if India applied economic pressure on Italy. If we close our markets to them, and all their luxury brands start laying off people back home, the govt will pay for this act with disgruntlement later.

This is not about the Italian people, it is about their govt. And by the way, I wouldn't be too proud of such an act, if I was aware that the accused were about to get a full, fair trial, and only imprisoned after that. If it was some country where a concept of a free trial doesn't exist, and our people were being held there without trial and without legal recourse, then I would be happy if the govt somehow got them out by hook or crook, even at the expense of our relations with that country (what good are relations with such a country anyway?).

But there are hundreds of Indian prisoners in jail across the world, be it in the USA, Britain, Europe, or in gulf countries. Do you want the Indian govt to free them all at the expense of relations with these countries? That too, if they were arrested after a free and fair trial?

 

[neehar]

Says an Indian living in the UK.

says it all

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Says an Indian living in the UK.

So do I; Buster!!
It all relates to values in life and of living. The West ain't "so Hot" in this department.
While the Chinese and other Easterners do come of much better!
The West is'nt the Best in every respect.

 

[JanjaWeed]

Wow... now Shakespeare's Julius Caesar is part of this pre-scripted melodrama? Brutus had a personal vendetta against Julius Caesar, unlike other Roman senators. What sort of vendetta would Italian govt have against Indian courts?

 

[janon]

Wow... now Shakespeare's Julius Caesar is part of this pre-scripted melodrama? Brutus had a personal vendetta against Julius Caesar, unlike other Roman senators. What sort of vendetta would Italian govt have against Indian courts?

It was an allusion, not an allegory that the judge used.

He wasn't comparing Brutus to these marines or to the Italian govt. In fact he was referring to a speech by Mark antony in that play, where he made that famous speech (one of Shakespeare's finest, in popular opinion) about Brutus. He kept sarcastically calling Brutus "honorable", when he clearly meant dishonourable, as his listeners soon understood. This was just after Brutus killed Caesar. Here, the Italian embassy was talking about having honor - and the listening judge told him that, like Mark Antony's listeners felt, he too felt that this word could only mean its opposite, when used to describe the Italian embassy.

It was just a one off remark, a casual reference by a learned judge. The reporters took that to mean that he was calling the Itlaians 'Brutus', whereas the wordplay was actually by Mark antony, not brutus. The judge was only questioning what word "honorable" means to them. Reminding them of that wordplay, not of the character.

 

[Awesome]

Thought doesn't mean spoken. Its common sense that anyone in India will think it as backstabbing.

It is common sense that Italians are untrustworthy? That's bigotry and also a crime and you can't associate a crime with Supreme Court of India.

It's also contemptuous and hence extra care is required when addressing courts of this stature.

 

[KRAIT]

It is common sense that Italians are untrustworthy? That's bigotry and also a crime and you can't associate a crime with Supreme Court of India. It's also contemptuous and hence extra care is required when addressing courts of this stature.

Common sense that Italians backstabbed IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. Always keep the subject in context of the matter in discussion.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

SC is sounding like a South Asian political party

 

[Awesome]

Common sense that Italians backstabbed IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. Always keep the subject in context of the matter in discussion.

Are you saying the SC thinks 60,770,000 Italians are untrustworthy?

 

[Developereo]

So do I; Buster!!

Indeed you do.

It all relates to values in life and of living. The West ain't "so Hot" in this department.
While the Chinese and other Easterners do come of much better!
The West is'nt the Best in every respect.

Nobody ever claimed that the West is the best or the worst. All cultures have good and bad points, so such gross value judgements are silly.

It is one thing to say that Western culture is more individualistic, whereas Eastern culture is more communalistic. That is not a value judgement since no one is claiming that one is inherently better than the other.

However, to say that Westerners are less honest than Easterners is a ridiculous generalization of a value judgement.