Save Indus Pakistan !

[krash]

I beg to disagree, ideals are one thing, but in reality, citizens do have greater rights because those rights are earned or deserved.

If you murder someone then a citizen or a non-citizen would and should face the same punishment.

But as a citizen, you have the right to vote, therefore a much greater say in how your country s governed, thus a greater voice in the matters of your nation. If there is a social welfare system, you have access to those funds that a non-citizen does not, you also have access to the protections afforded by your government that a non-citizen does not, and the list goes on, that is the reality of life.

I'm certain PDF lives in the same world we all do, so the Pakistanis crying for greater leeway to defend their country especially from people who deliberately and constantly attack it unfairly seems like a fair request.



A citizen does have greater rights then a non-citizen, that is a fact of life. It does not give them a carte blanche, but if there are complaints, I think it only wise to consider such grumblings, rather then outright rejection.

You are confusing rights with impunity against rules/law. They are not analogous.

As far as defending our country is concerned, if a post violates the rules report it and let us take care of it. If it does not, then argue against it while remaining within the given rules. If you cannot, then ask another member who can. We do not aim to be a country which is fazed by its opposition, least of all by their words.

I am not sure how an offence is judged, but obviously, not all issues are the same, but I am certain a lot of times an outburst takes place after the offender has observed the other party constantly acting in a malicious manner in different threads, resulting in a momentary outburst, or sometimes particular harsh words tend to teach the wrongdoer a lesson, bringing an end to their behaviour. Those harsh words result in the Pakistani defender taken to task,

Have you ever wondered if those posts/comments are made exactly to elicit such an outburst? I know for a fact that it does not teach anyone any lessons.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

So I am about to get banned again. I got a warnin g from @WebMaster and @krash so I figure I have short lifespan now. Therefore I am making a appeal to the PDF community. "Save Indus Pakistan". Now you may not like me, in fact you may hate me, you may despise me but you can't ignore that I do provide 'alternative' views on most things here. I have also contributed higely over the years. Does PDF really want boring, yes people here? So people SAVE ME please. Hit that 'yes' vote.

And if you don't hit the yes vote. Fcuk off and may you suffer for eternity. So get on with it. Tag as many people as you can. I guess I might be over the hill and bit too long in the tooth. I will find out.

Ps. @Yankee-stani I appoint you as my "political karkun". Get busy building support for me.

The only issue we have are your references to race/ethnicity.

Asking people of Karachi to 'go somewhere else' or bringing up derogatory stereotypes about a particular community is neither constructive nor an 'alternate point of view', unless you consider the KKK and Neo Nazis in the West as offering 'alternate points of view'.

I enjoy reading your posts, and they are informative many times, EXCEPT when you start going on about race/ethnicity.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Any constructive criticisms of Karachi is racist or bad to these folks

Criticize policies all you want.

Criticize political parties all you want.

Criticize non-political organizations, mafias, groups etc all you want.

But don't attack or make derogatory generalizations about an entire community - whether religious (Shia, Sunnia, Wahabi, Ahmadi, Hindu, Jew, Christian etc), racial or ethnic (Pashtun, Punjabi, Sindhi, Muhajir, Baloch etc).

 

[truthfollower]

Criticize policies all you want.

Criticize political parties all you want.

Criticize non-political organizations, mafias, groups etc all you want.

But don't attack or make derogatory generalizations about an entire community - whether religious (Shia, Sunnia, Wahabi, Ahmadi, Hindu, Jew, Christian etc), racial or ethnic (Pashtun, Punjabi, Sindhi, Muhajir, Baloch etc).

what about religion and god? can we question religion and god?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

what about religion and god? can we question religion and god?

The forum has a policy against religious discussions.

So no, since many people are incapable of keeping calm while discussing religion - whether in favor of religion or against. I've seen both atheists and religious individuals resort to abuse and personal attacks when debating religion.

 

[truthfollower]

The forum has a policy against religious discussions.

oh it is against the forum rules to discuss religion? oh OK maybe that's why i was banned. Please share forum rules page.
but other people make fun of others religion too why they are not banned? ok from now on i will report every post about any religion.
be it in favour or against.
whats the use of this forum if we cant ask questions that if we ask in public surely will lead to trouble.

 

[peagle]

You are confusing rights with impunity against rules/law. They are not analogous.

As far as defending our country is concerned, if a post violates the rules report it and let us take care of it. If it does not, then argue against it while remaining within the given rules. If you cannot, then ask another member who can. We do not aim to be a country which is phased by its opposition, least of all by their words.



Have you ever wondered if those posts/comments are made exactly to elicit such an outburst? I know for a fact that it does not teach anyone any lessons.

I was having a general discussion, discussing the merits or demerits of allowing Pakistanis greater space in a Pakistani forum.

It seems you've decided to turn it into something personal. I am very much capable of giving the required answers to any argument or discussion, including to yourself, I believe I already have.
My intention was not to argue but to discuss, but, you have lost the sight of that point.

Looks like emotions are not so easy to control after all.

I will remind you never to talk down to me again, ban me, do what you want, but show respect, especially when I have not shown any disrespect to you or anyone in this thread.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I'm pretty neutral to this topic, but offer two suggestions,

1. Stop abusing Muslims (calling us split/cut d_cks, for example)

2. Stop challenging the rights of Urdu speakers to identify as Pakistanis. They are part and parcel of this country.

In my eyes, Mods have done the right thing. Hopefully the posting pattern changes.

 

[Verve]

Please share forum rules page.

Look at the top bar: Home | Forums | What's New | Media | Members | Forum Rules

 

[Verve]

I was having a general discussion, discussing the merits or demerits of allowing Pakistanis greater space in a Pakistani forum.

It seems you've decided to turn it into something personal. I am very much capable of giving the required answers to any argument or discussion, including to yourself, I believe I already have.
My intention was not to argue but to discuss, but, you have lost the sight of that point.

Looks like emotions are not so easy to control after all.

I will remind you never to talk down to me again, ban me, do what you want, but show respect, especially when I have not shown any disrespect to you or anyone in this thread.

You've got the wrong end of the stick. He was referring to posts made by Indus, that being the context! Perhaps you've not been privy yet to the hate speech posts by Indus against Karachites and many other Pakistani groups - reasons for regular bans and why his TTA title was withdrawn as well!

 

[peagle]

You've got the wrong end of the stick. He was referring to posts made by Indus, that being the context! Perhaps you've not been privy yet to the hate speech posts by Indus against Karachites and many other Pakistani groups - reasons for regular bans and why his TTA title was withdrawn as well!

In one of my posts, I had mentioned directly to Indus Pakistan that I am not speaking for him. I was referring to the wider feeling of lack of space amongst many Pakistanis in this forum, it is an open forum so I was merely highlighting that aspect.

Regarding the points, you have raised,
I do not condone and strongly condemn hate towards any group by anyone, with the proviso that it be justified with reason and cause.

For sake of clarity, If Indus Pakistan did make such hateful comments, which I admit I have not read, then he should be ashamed and I condemn him for such actions.

 

[Azadkashmir]

What Mods. All we have here on PDF is Karachi mafia thatr go crazy if you say something about Karachi they don't like. So anyway before I get banned how is the sazish theories going?

You won't get banned, they need you to give alternative views. Not much on the conspiracy except the UAE sold out.

 

[313ghazi]

No NRO's. Just follow the rules. One minute you're insightful, the next you're an outright abusive troll. You don't have to be unpleasant about people you disagree with, you choose to be. I really appreciate your historic knowledge, and like how you challenge people's views on stuf (even if i don't always agree), but you switch to troll mode far too often, especially for someone of your age.

Having said that - is there something wierd in the rules were it gets easier and easier to get banned the more you get banned? Like some sort of bias against repeat offenders?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Having said that - is there something wierd in the rules were it gets easier and easier to get banned the more you get banned? Like some sort of bias against repeat offenders?

There is - the system makes bans longer and implements them quicker with an increasing number of warnings and previous bans.

 

[waz]

Bro just don't indulge in shenanigans.
You have my support in general.