Saudi king rejects mixing Hajj with politics

[HAIDER]

Hajj is muslims mass political gathering to bring awareness . This is muslims convention which is organized by allah and it has purpose..

 

[Zarvan]

funny the saudi royals still use the fake number of hajj fatalities of around of 700 instead of the 2000 plus for political reasons.



he's still waiting for the coward royals to send men into syria.

No 2000 people died it was 700. It's some Iranian puppets who are born to lie. Secondly Hajj was never used politically by Saudis it was Iranians who created fasad during Hajj after 1979 revolution.

 

[Timur]

You are a fanatic secular liberal who hates islam with a passion. SO that's an expected post from the likes of you. Anyway , last time I checked , majority of Turks are sunni muslims following the hanafi madhab. Has that situation changed?

no

The fact that our ancestors conquered them

so this are our ancestors which it belongs too.. mecca and media belongs the ummah - the muslims all over the world..

 

[AmirPatriot]

They have nothing to do with Iran

Who said they have anything to do with Iran? Because I certainly didn't. But they do have a lot to do with Muslims, and Muslims who want to make their Hajj should do it free of politics.

Stampedes are usually caused by the inadequate behavior of pilgrims or large masses of people.

Standard Saudi BS. The stampede was caused by one of your royal mutts, your Defence Minister, passing through the road, blocking the pilgrims. You put a few minutes of his convenience over the lives of thousands.

Maybe we should turn Qom and Mashhad into neutral states run by the OIC

Unlike Saudi Arabia, Iran has never forced pilgrims to get a visa by going to a different country, nor has it banned their airlines, nor has it placed limitations on the amount of medicine they can bring, nor has it banned them from bringing their country's flags to identify each other, nor has it banned people bringing tents, nor has it abducted other countries' scientists.

There are other abductions and deaths that I will not bring up solely because there is hard evidence, but that doesn't mean that they didn't happen.

Your OWN government has banned Iranian citizens living in Iran from attending Hajj this year.

"Therefore, if the way is blocked or one fears a (particular) danger, the (obligation of the) pilgrimage is dropped."

https://www.al-islam.org/a-summary-of-rulings-makarim-shirazi/rules-pilgrimage-hajj

KSA is a wahabbi state, which means its already dangerous for Iranians and Shias to visit. Add to that the recent disasters, and the decision seems perfectly reasonable.

 

[Atif0307]

Let's cut the BS to the core. Last year, because of sheer incompetency of Saudis in managing Hajj, 400 of our civilians were killed, along with more than 3000 other Muslims. Many other countries didn't have the spine to protest and ask Saudis to explain and consider them responsible, but we had and we did. This year, we demanded some guarantees for safety of our pilgrims which they refused to give. Not only that, they also refused to make a simple apology for the disaster that happened last year.

You as a Salafi may not be able to see through the glass, but it's very obvious as daylight itself that it wasn't Iran that made Hajj a political matter, it's just that many other countries were too spineless to stand up and demand an explanation on why more than 3000 people were killed in 2 different accidents because of sheer incompetency of Saudis.

 

[Serpentine]

No 2000 people died it was 700. It's some Iranian puppets who are born to lie

I don't really know what one gains by sucking up to Saudis, even if he has to lie about the real death toll while nearly 90 people from his own country also died in the incident. If lives of Pakistanis (or others) are so cheap to you, we value every single casualty of ours and it matters for us, every single one of them.

Only some one who is non-Saudi and is paid by somewhere can try to hide the real casualty count by claiming the pure BS 700 number of Saudi regime which proved to be a lie by almost any neutral and semi-neutral source. Otherwise this sucking up to Saudis doesn't make any sense at all.
These are the counts offered by respective governments themselves during course of casualty count, which are much more close to truth than what Saudi regime is blabbering.

Death Toll From Hajj Stampede Reaches 2,411 in New Estimate
Hajj stampede death toll rises to 2,177
2015 hajj stampede deadliest ever as foreign governments put toll at 1,849
Foreign toll figures show hajj tragedy deadliest in history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Mina_stampede

What you did here, sucking up to Saudis to hide real casualty counts was just disgusting, no other words needed. Although it's expected from Saudi fanboys.

 

[Al-Andalus]

I don't really know what one gains by sucking up to Saudis, even if he has to lie about the real death toll while nearly 90 people from his own country also died in the incident. If lives of Pakistanis (or others) are so cheap to you, we value every single casualty of ours and it matters for us, every single one of them.

Only some one who is non-Saudi and is paid by somewhere can try to hide the real casualty count by claiming the pure BS 700 number of Saudi regime which proved to be a lie by almost any neutral and semi-neutral source. Otherwise this sucking up to Saudis doesn't make any sense at all.
These are the counts offered by respective governments themselves during course of casualty count, which are much more close to truth than what Saudi regime is blabbering.

Death Toll From Hajj Stampede Reaches 2,411 in New Estimate
Hajj stampede death toll rises to 2,177
2015 hajj stampede deadliest ever as foreign governments put toll at 1,849
Foreign toll figures show hajj tragedy deadliest in history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Mina_stampede

What you did here, sucking up to Saudis to hide real casualty counts was just disgusting, no other words needed. Although it's expected from Saudi fanboys.

Where is a single proof of those various casualty numbers being remotely true? There is none. During EACH single Hajj thousands of pilgrims "disappear". Meaning disappear by never returning in order to stay in KSA or nearby GCC as illegal migrants. Funnily enough all the supposed missing pilgrims are from poor countries whose citizens have a very long history of migrating illegally to KSA under the disguise of Hajj and Umrah.

This year alone several thousand pilgrims have "disappeared" once again. Apparently up to 200.000 illegal Hajis are present this year.

"Fear of getting caught is not enough to deter Abu Ahmed and up to 200,000 other illegal pilgrims from attending this year's haj in Mecca, despite a clampdown by the Saudi authorities aimed at preventing deadly overcrowding."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-saudi-haj-illegals-idUKKCN11K1A6?il=0

Yet somehow we are to believe numbers from Western media who had no presence in Mina last year, during or after the stampede.

Who said they have anything to do with Iran? Because I certainly didn't. But they do have a lot to do with Muslims, and Muslims who want to make their Hajj should do it free of politics.

Standard Saudi BS. The stampede was caused by one of your royal mutts, your Defence Minister, passing through the road, blocking the pilgrims. You put a few minutes of his convenience over the lives of thousands.

Unlike Saudi Arabia, Iran has never forced pilgrims to get a visa by going to a different country, nor has it banned their airlines, nor has it placed limitations on the amount of medicine they can bring, nor has it banned them from bringing their country's flags to identify each other, nor has it banned people bringing tents, nor has it abducted other countries' scientists.

There are other abductions and deaths that I will not bring up solely because there is hard evidence, but that doesn't mean that they didn't happen.


"Therefore, if the way is blocked or one fears a (particular) danger, the (obligation of the) pilgrimage is dropped."

https://www.al-islam.org/a-summary-of-rulings-makarim-shirazi/rules-pilgrimage-hajj

KSA is a wahabbi state, which means its already dangerous for Iranians and Shias to visit. Add to that the recent disasters, and the decision seems perfectly reasonable.

KSA has not banned any nationality or sect from ever performing Hajj or Umrah. This is only something that your Wilayat al-Faqih Mullah's can pride themselves on. I know no other such country. In fact even the 3 other Shia-majority countries in the world (Iraq, Bahrain and Azerbaijan) have never done so. In fact well-known terrorists from Iraqi Shia militias are present right now.

How has KSA politicized the Hajj? Last time I saw it is only Iranian pilgrims (some) who do that. Not only that they have a very long history of doing it.

That is the PressTV (aka PissTV) and Iranian state TV version. Not everyone takes such media seriously.

"Abducting" "scientists". It's getting more and more absurd by each day.

If KSA is a so-called "Wahhabi" state (despite being the cradle of Islam and home to all Islamic sects indigenously whether Sunni, Shia, Sufism etc.) the Wilayat al-Faqih state that Iran is should stay out.

Will benefit the other 1.6 billion Muslims and the general safety.

 

[raptor22]

No 2000 people died it was 700. It's some Iranian puppets who are born to lie. Secondly Hajj was never used politically by Saudis it was Iranians who created fasad during Hajj after 1979 revolution.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Where is a single proof of those various casualty numbers being remotely true?

Oh give us a break. Barely anybody believes your ridiculously fake casualty figures.

KSA has not banned any nationality or sect from ever performing Hajj or Umrah

By imposing harsh restrictions on Iranians, they basically have.

I know no other such country

We actually have to consider the safety of our citizens.

Abducting" "scientists". It's getting more and more absurd by each day.

Are you gonna tell us why you are dismissing these proven claims? Or will you simply brush it aside in defiance of the reporting by just about everyone.

How has KSA politicized the Hajj

Learn to read.

Unlike Saudi Arabia, Iran has never forced pilgrims to get a visa by going to a different country, nor has it banned their airlines, nor has it placed limitations on the amount of medicine they can bring, nor has it banned them from bringing their country's flags to identify each other, nor has it banned people bringing tents, nor has it abducted other countries' scientists.

Will benefit the other 1.6 billion Muslims and the general safety.

lol

 

[HAIDER]

 

[Atif0307]

Pher Yemen main bhi hisa logy?