Saudi Arabian supercomputer enters top ten list

[RAMPAGE]

I love the look and the name.

Thanks bro.

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

Come on dude we are not that narrow minded we enjoy good relations also we are helping you in your Mars space mission.

Not for a supercomputer that will be used for R&D in the fields of defense, space and nuclear.



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[Bubblegum Crisis]

We should not really limit ourselves when it comes to such cooperation with foreign countries. India is not an enemy state at all in our eyes or that of the GCC and Arab world. Not today let alone historically. We have MILLENNIUM old trade relations with India and India is also home to almost 200 Muslims. Not that religion is important here in this context but just saying. India is one of the biggest trading partners of the GCC and Arab world. In fact India's biggest trading partner is the GCC.

We can have such cooperation with India if it benefits us despite our longstanding friendship and alliance with Pakistan. This is not a kindergarden. Pakistan has no problem with cooperating with our sole enemy (Iran) for instance.

Also India should have no problem with our close economic ties with China or the relationship China has with Pakistan as India themselves trade with China a lot. It will only increase. China is doing trade with all the big economies of the world so India cannot avoid having ties with countries that have close ties to the Chinese.

We should cooperate with Israel too if that benefits us. In fact I hope that we establish diplomatic relations with Israel (official one) as a neighbor just like Egypt and Jordan have done. We have a few interests in common and we can benefit a lot from Israeli cooperation.

If Turkey which is not a neighbor of Israel unlike us, can have billion big trade with Israel why can we not? We don't have to agree with Israel politically when it comes to Palestine but we can have relations with them. I believe that you can only solve problems if you actually have a dialogue between the parties that are in conflict. A real one.

It's time to be pragmatic for once and not hold ourselves as hostage.

Did you not learn anything from the recent Yemen conflict? Where are our so-called brotherly countries? We are alone just like every other country at the end of the day when shit hits the fan.

We Arabs/Semites dominated trade at the crossroads of the world (MENA region) connecting Europe, Africa and the remaining Asia with each other and we once mastered pragmatism. Sadly it seems that many of our leaders have forgot that.

We need to adopt the UAE model in this case 100% and it cannot happen soon enough.

Those that want to wage wars against Israel and what not should do that and leave the progress for the rest of us.

Cousins @500 @Natan @GBU-28 is Israel competent when it comes to supercomputing?

Unfortunately, need not be limited intellectually ‘facts and strategic positions’ always outweigh everything else. The leaders of the Indian army would never allow.

... is Israel competent when it comes to supercomputing?

Of course ! How else they would have developed their nuclear weapons program, their ballistic missile and space launch vehicle ?


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yes dude i agree, but for R&d and defence you need a capable supercomputer to do millions calculations.

Well that's what we want by within ten years at least with help, certainly.


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[Chinese-Dragon]

Really fantastic news.

This is why I've said that Saudi is going in the right direction, by investing heavily in things like education, science, technology, etc. which are the power bases of the future.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Unfortunately, need not be limited intellectually ‘facts and strategic positions’ always outweigh everything else. The leaders of the Indian army would never allow.



Of course ! How else they would have developed their nuclear weapons program, their ballistic missile and space launch vehicle ?


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We cannot know that brother. KSA is by no means a threat for India. Never will be. India is not our enemy or vice versa. We should aim to have cordial relations with all nearby countries, world powers etc. that are based on economic cooperation first and foremost and trust.

I think that King Salman and the new leadership understands that considering our much improved relations with Russia of late. Having cordial/good relations with Russia should for us (not a world power by any means) mean that we cannot have close ties with US for instance and France. Just because those two have their disputes with Russia.

Also we can have booming trade ties with China and India at the same time. We are not a threat or enemy of either of those two countries. Not historically nor today.

We really have no other true adversary other than Iran and even when it comes to them it's all about proxies in every other country that is not named KSA or Iran. For all of that hostility Iran's by far biggest trading partner is nearby UAE. A integral GCC member and our foremost ally in the GCC. So much for that.

In fact our hostilities might be almost 3000 years old but are rather silly and when we look at it throughout those 3000 years there have been very few conflicts. Very few in fact compared to other historical rivals in Europe, Asia or elsewhere.

Of course I know that they are but my question was aimed at getting more information. For political reasons KSA/Israeli cooperation on this front (even if beneficial) cannot happen currently. Why we will never know other than pure silliness. Let me once again state that Turkey and even Jordan and Egypt have completely open relations with Israel and significant trade yet for some reason we (a neighbor) cannot establish diplomatic relations (official ones) and then act like grown-ups and try to influence Israel in regards to Palestine.

Another thing, why is KSA and Pakistan not cooperating MUCH more in terms of military, technology etc? Are we not supposed to be such oh so close countries? I am talking about the regimes of each country, I know that people to be people we are brothers and sisters. A few bad apples here and there on both sides regardless.

We should have kickstarted many joint programs on various fields on the military sector long ago.

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

Well then we will be happy to help

I do not believe that one day your military guides to agree with you.



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[Bubblegum Crisis]

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Another thing, why is KSA and Pakistan not cooperating MUCH more in terms of military, technology etc? Are we not supposed to be such oh so close countries? I am talking about the regimes of each country, I know that people to be people we are brothers and sisters. A few bad apples here and there on both sides regardless.

We should have kickstarted many joint programs on various fields on the military sector long ago.

We were not ready - potentially, intellectually - and we were not interested - purchase easier - and we are still not totally. But since King Abdullah (Peace on him), its changed.



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[Saif al-Arab]

Really fantastic news.

This is why I've said that Saudi is going in the right direction, by investing heavily in things like education, science, technology, etc. which are the power bases of the future.

Spot on my friend. That's something that the Arab world (Muslim world as a whole too) has unfortunately not done enough of in the past century although things are changing. For various reasons but mostly due to conflicts, wars, political instability, dictatorships, foreign meddling, colonialism, nepotism, silly rivalries, wrong priorities etc.

I am a Muslim but if KSA for the past 83 years had been ruled by a secular regime and ruled by a different political system (we can say the exact same thing about secular Arab countries and those in between) we might today have been the Germany of the ME or at least in a much better position to improve on those fields or achieve further accomplishments.

What I have been saying in this thread might be deemed controversial in the MENA region but I must again state that this is my personal opinion.

I see no reason why secularism and a constitutional monarchy for instance could not be achieved in KSA in 1-2 generations. Islam in my opinion is perfectly capable of coexisting in a secular system. Certainly the 40 million European Muslims have no problem with that or the 80 million Turks for instance. They are not less Muslims than people living in KSA, Iran or elsewhere. The most sad thing about this is that we cannot discuss this openly. That's not good. We need to have open dialogue and that's something I hope that we will learn. Regime's cannot rule with fear but with reason. True genuine loyalty cannot be forced upon or be based on fear. It does not work today in the year of 2015.

We need reforms and I am 100% convinced that many people secretly want the same thing to happen especially the youth and the educated classes that know what is going on outside of the MENA region. It's the same story with China but this progress must be done by locals in their tempo and not be forced upon by the US for instance. We must respect different opinions and all work together to improve our countries.

We were not ready - potentially, intellectually - and we were not interested - purchase easier - and we are still not totally. But since King Abdullah (Peace on him), its changed.



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We all know why that is! After all 60 years ago certain influential "religious scholars" believed that education for women was a sin and many locals were of the same belief. Nowadays we laugh at such views rightly. Views that in reality had nothing to do with Islamic history (realities of Islam in our lands) or even pre-Islamic customs. What's the point I am trying to make here? That we need to constantly move in the right direction or follow with the times otherwise we will be left behind and everyone will use us as a handkerchief and throw us out at will. Play around with us.

Even today too many people in day-to-day events prefer to do as little as possible and expect miracles to happen. Some jobs/sectors are even deemed "unworthy" to work in. What kind of attitude is that? An attitude that first of all has nothing to do with Islam nor with our past. We were always hardworking people. Old grandfathers/grandmother's and great-grandfathers's and great-grandmother's are living proofs of that. Our people were/are survivors by nature living in the environment that we live in.

Half of the planet's population would do everything to work in such jobs. It's such recent established cultural traits or whatever we shall call it that has kept us down and everyone in the Arab and Muslim world.
Only hard work matters.

Our future and backbone of the country will be our educated youth. You, me @Gasoline and millions like us.

Of course but it should have occurred much earlier than under the late King Abdullah, may he rest in peace.

 

[Indika]

Not for a supercomputer that will be used for R&D in the fields of defense, space and nuclear.
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Nothing like that ,what is secret advanced technology today will become consumer technology in few years. Only by sharing technology and best practices ppl progress ahead. There might concern in some areas like military equipment which might be applicable. Academic exchanges and collaboration between institutions will benefit both the countries.

 

[Skull and Bones]

We should not really limit ourselves when it comes to such cooperation with foreign countries. India is not an enemy state at all in our eyes or that of the GCC and Arab world. Not today let alone historically. We have MILLENNIUM old trade relations with India and India is also home to almost 200 Muslims. Not that religion is important here in this context but just saying. India is one of the biggest trading partners of the GCC and Arab world. In fact India's biggest trading partner is the GCC.

We can have such cooperation with India if it benefits us despite our longstanding friendship and alliance with Pakistan. This is not a kindergarden. Pakistan has no problem with cooperating with our sole enemy (Iran) for instance.

Also India should have no problem with our close economic ties with China or the relationship China has with Pakistan as India themselves trade with China a lot. It will only increase. China is doing trade with all the big economies of the world so India cannot avoid having ties with countries that have close ties to the Chinese.

We should cooperate with Israel too if that benefits us. In fact I hope that we establish diplomatic relations with Israel (official one) as a neighbor just like Egypt and Jordan have done. We have a few interests in common and we can benefit a lot from Israeli cooperation.

If Turkey which is not a neighbor of Israel unlike us, can have billion big trade with Israel why can we not? We don't have to agree with Israel politically when it comes to Palestine but we can have relations with them. I believe that you can only solve problems if you actually have a dialogue between the parties that are in conflict. A real one.

It's time to be pragmatic for once and not hold ourselves as hostage.

Did you not learn anything from the recent Yemen conflict? Where are our so-called brotherly countries? We are alone just like every other country at the end of the day when shit hits the fan.

We Arabs/Semites dominated trade at the crossroads of the world (MENA region) connecting Europe, Africa and the remaining Asia with each other and we once mastered pragmatism. Sadly it seems that many of our leaders have forgot that.

We need to adopt the UAE model in this case 100% and it cannot happen soon enough.

Those that want to wage wars against Israel and what not should do that and leave the progress for the rest of us.

Cousins @500 @Natan @GBU-28 is Israel competent when it comes to supercomputing?

That is a welcome mature post, mate! Cheers.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

We should not really limit ourselves when it comes to such cooperation with foreign countries. India is not an enemy state at all in our eyes or that of the GCC and Arab world. Not today let alone historically. We have MILLENNIUM old trade relations with India and India is also home to almost 200 Muslims. Not that religion is important here in this context but just saying. India is one of the biggest trading partners of the GCC and Arab world. In fact India's biggest trading partner is the GCC.

We can have such cooperation with India if it benefits us despite our longstanding friendship and alliance with Pakistan. This is not a kindergarden. Pakistan has no problem with cooperating with our sole enemy (Iran) for instance.

Also India should have no problem with our close economic ties with China or the relationship China has with Pakistan as India themselves trade with China a lot. It will only increase. China is doing trade with all the big economies of the world so India cannot avoid having ties with countries that have close ties to the Chinese.

We should cooperate with Israel too if that benefits us. In fact I hope that we establish diplomatic relations with Israel (official one) as a neighbor just like Egypt and Jordan have done. We have a few interests in common and we can benefit a lot from Israeli cooperation.

If Turkey which is not a neighbor of Israel unlike us, can have billion big trade with Israel why can we not? We don't have to agree with Israel politically when it comes to Palestine but we can have relations with them. I believe that you can only solve problems if you actually have a dialogue between the parties that are in conflict. A real one.

It's time to be pragmatic for once and not hold ourselves as hostage.

Did you not learn anything from the recent Yemen conflict? Where are our so-called brotherly countries? We are alone just like every other country at the end of the day when shit hits the fan.

We Arabs/Semites dominated trade at the crossroads of the world (MENA region) connecting Europe, Africa and the remaining Asia with each other and we once mastered pragmatism. Sadly it seems that many of our leaders have forgot that.

We need to adopt the UAE model in this case 100% and it cannot happen soon enough.

Those that want to wage wars against Israel and what not should do that and leave the progress for the rest of us.

Cousins @500 @Natan @GBU-28 is Israel competent when it comes to supercomputing?

This is one of the best posts I've read in this forum for a long time.

It's all about pragmatism really. We have to serve our national interests and our people in the best way that we can.

I know there are a lot of forum arguments here (notably between Chinese/Pakistanis against Indians) however that is really just "emotionalism" (not sure if that is a word). In reality there is a lot of cooperation on the ground, despite the mutual distrust.

The best way forward is cooperation with like-minded countries. That's how we will strengthen ourselves, and provide a better future for our people.

Islam in my opinion is perfectly capable of coexisting in a secular system.

Absolutely. Some of my extended family members live in Malaysia, and I've witnessed personally how ethnic Chinese can live and prosper very well within a majority Islamic country like that. Sure there are historical tensions, but nothing that cannot be overcome in my opinion.

Spot on my friend. That's something that the Arab world (Muslim world as a whole too) has unfortunately not done enough of in the past century although things are changing. For various reasons but mostly due to conflicts, wars, political instability, dictatorships, foreign meddling, colonialism, nepotism, silly rivalries, wrong priorities etc.

KSA is the de facto leader of the GCC, the best thing you can do is set a good example for the rest, which is something you are doing now.

The weaker members of the Arab world are going to look at Saudi/UAE and say, wait a second... why are they doing so well, and we are doing so badly? It's NOT something that can be explained by oil, there are no shortage of oil-rich countries in the world that are performing very badly (Nigeria and Venezuela are two that immediately come to mind, though there are countless others).

By looking at the success of Saudi/UAE, that is something that can really change their mindset. And in truth, there is no reason that past/historical successes cannot be replicated again in the modern world.

 

[Gasoline]

We all know why that is! After all 60 years ago certain influential "religious scholars" believed that education for women was a sin and many locals were of the same belief. Nowadays we laugh at such views rightly

That was about to kill me. You're right .

I admit we're suffering form the past. It's reflected badly on our future, but I believe that changes are coming fast and we're in the right direction now. The current issue now is the crises and the unrest in the region.. we're focusing on buying weapons more than focusing on sciences and researches ...

 

[Saif al-Arab]

This is one of the best posts I've read in this forum for a long time.

It's all about pragmatism really. We have to serve our national interests and our people in the best way that we can.

I know there are a lot of forum arguments here (notably between Chinese/Pakistanis against Indians) however that is really just "emotionalism" (not sure if that is a word). In reality there is a lot of cooperation on the ground, despite the mutual distrust.

The best way forward is cooperation with like-minded countries. That's how we will strengthen ourselves, and provide a better future for our people.



Absolutely. Some of my extended family members live in Malaysia, and I've witnessed personally how ethnic Chinese can live and prosper very well within a majority Islamic country like that. Sure there are historical tensions, but nothing that cannot be overcome in my opinion.



KSA is the de facto leader of the GCC, the best thing you can do is set a good example for the rest, which is something you are doing now.

The weaker members of the Arab world are going to look at Saudi/UAE and say, wait a second... why are they doing so well, and we are doing so badly? It's NOT something that can be explained by oil, there are no shortage of oil-rich countries in the world that are performing very badly (Nigeria and Venezuela are two that immediately come to mind, though there are countless others).

By looking at the success of Saudi/UAE, that is something that can really change their mindset. And in truth, there is no reason that past/historical successes cannot be replicated again in the modern world.

I think that you are being too kind here my friend, lol.

I am a pragmatic person by nature. I have my views and standpoints but that's about it. Business is business and the main goal as you say should always be progress and mutual cooperation if possible or at least coexistence despite differences or mistrusts.

Arab and Iranian users (we don't really argue with anyone else) have a lot of silly discussions/trolling too but in reality both people do not know that it's not only futile, silly but also counterproductive for both parties and the region as a whole. There is tension and rivalry but it's also overblown especially due to recent conflict in the ME. Just 10 years ago it was nothing like that and if you go back to before 1979 there was even less conflict.

Anyway I admire China because I can see many similarities between the Arab world and China. Both proud ancient peoples and civilizations inhabiting ancient regions, both have in their way shaped their immediate region and are I say the world as a whole too and both have faced similar challenges (wars, foreign meddling, colonialism, dictatorships, wrong policies etc.) The Arabs and Han Chinese are also the two biggest ethnic groups in the world ironically and throughout history almost always had cordial ties mostly based on trade obviously.

I have spoken with some Chinese friend in real life and even here on PDF and elsewhere (social media) and we concluded that the state of the current Arab world (with few exceptions) is reminiscent of China of the 1950's and 1960's. Back then China was recovering from Western colonialism, a major war (WW2) and before that civil wars. In other words China was starting to find its place in the world and reclaim it's position. From what I can gather there was much confusion and disappear. Many Chinese people doubted that they would ever see better times. Decades later we see the fruits of wise leadership, hard work etc.

Of course unlike the Arab world China is 1 entity ruled by 1 philosophy/regime but regardless of that I see many striking similarities. In many ways the Arab world is at a crucial point. Either the conflicts continue in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya etc. and the misery/lack of progress this entails or the other side that wants cooperation/peace/progress wins. Unfortunately I would love if it was this simple but the reality is that the Arab world is extremely complex especially politically even within Arab countries x or y. Let alone the region as a whole.

The GCC/monarchies would be perfect model countries for the remaining Arab countries and most Muslim countries if they embarked on necessary reforms. If that occurred their strength would increase on most fronts. Internally and externally. Not only vis-a-vis other Arab countries and Muslim countries but the West and world powers too. Also it would push the failed regimes as I call them to indeed aim at improving their countries. Some short of domino effect.

In fact I was writing this without looking at your last part of your post and you are basically saying the same.

In regards to secularism we can see that this is very much possible even within the Arab world so we don't even have to look abroad in this case. Anyway whether secularism or not it does not bother we that much as long as the necessary changes occur. Let the majority decide. What I want is a system that best can improve the country and preferably a system that is also open for differences.

Yes, Malaysia is a perfect mixture of Malays, Chinese, Indians and Arabs cooperating side by side.

I really should hit the bed and I am about to fall asleep so this post should not be taken too seriously although I think that I got some pretty accurate points across.

Take care and I have to say that we Arab users miss @Wholegrain or at least I do. If any of your compatriots know him outside of this forum I would appreciate if they gave me a call here on PDF.

 

[Hyperion]

Which part is Saudi:

1. Hardware
2. Core software
3. Interface
4. Installation
5. Support system(s)
6. Simulation modeling

Or just the cash?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

That was about to kill me. You're right .

I admit we're suffering form the past. It's reflected badly on our future, but I believe that changes are coming fast and we're in the right direction now. The current issue now is the crises and the unrest in the region.. we're focusing on buying weapons more than focusing on sciences and researches ...

Believe me whenever I mention something like this it "pains" me too but every country had their "moments". We thankfully had few compared to many others in our long millennium upon millennium long history. Ironically many of the worst ills are recent phenomenons that appeared in the last 100 years or in the few centuries before that due to the before mentioned reasons.

100 years ago many people in Europe thought similarly about women and they were not able to vote etc.

1400 years ago during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad (saws) women in Hijaz, Najd, Northern Arabian, Eastern Arabian, Southern Arabia (basically modern-day KSA) were active members of the society and obviously education was encouraged for them. This was the case too for millenniums in pre-Islamic times in most of the indigenous, Arab and Semitic civilizations in the Arab world. After all the earliest attested queens are found in our region (Queen of Sheba), Egyptian queens etc. So it's quite funny that there were people 60 years ago who had regressed on this front so much compared to the ISLAMIC reality 1400 years ago and even in pre-Islamic times MILLENNIUMS ago.

I think that we should be able to discuss such things openly despite being very proud people and despite such issues traditionally not being spoken about openly until recent decades.

We should talk about our challenges and the problems openly in order to solve them. Brushing them under the carpet wont's solve them but just prolong them. It's not in the interest of anyone.

If I or millions of others did not care we would not discuss this to begin with and pretend that we were living in the times of the One Thousand and One Arabian Nights.

But as you say most people do that nowadays openly and that's great to see and things are also moving in the right direction overall which is the most important thing here. But we should not be comfortable with just "moving into the right direction" IMO.

Yes, it's a wonderful neighborhood we live in of late. There can be no question about that. We are basically surrounded by conflicts or failed states. Even across our seas. Sudan to the Southwest across the Red Sea and Iran to the East across the Gulf. Not even talking about those we directly border excluding the GCC.