Saudi Academic: Arabs must accept Israel's right to Jerusalem

[Cthulhu]

Saudi Academic is right, The Jews are the rightful owner of not only Jerusalem, But the entire world.
All praise to the Jews who actually run the fvcking world, you shouldn't mess with them. They even made the history of our country, Our entire identity was created by the Jews. Without them, We were nothing.

 

[Attila the Hun]

Saudi Academic is right, The Jews are the rightful owner of not only Jerusalem, But the entire world.
All praise to the Jews who actually run the fvcking world, you shouldn't mess with them. They even made the history of our country, Our entire identity was created by the Jews. Without them, We were nothing.

an honest Iranian.

 

[Cthulhu]

an honest Iranian.

Man. Your entire identity was also created by the Jews, Don't make them angry.

 

[Attila the Hun]

Man. Your entire identity was also created by the Jews, Don't make them angry.

Hahahahahah

 

[Solomon2]

I repeat. There is no situation in which I or any other Muslim apart from maybe the Saudis will owe you anything, ever. You will never impose collective guilt on us.

Compare/contrast:

....Almost every prisoner interviewed for this series of articles served time in prison for murdering Israelis or for being part of a cell that murdered Israelis. After the Oslo Agreements, they gradually underwent a change that pushed them to support a peace agreement with Israel from their prison cells. Later on, they watched it all fall apart with the breakout of the second intifada and the increase in suicide bombings in Israel, which were mostly directed at civilian targets. Some of the attacks left a deep impression on them.

“When the terror attack at the Sbarro restaurant (in Jerusalem) took place, I swear I cried,” says Mudqaq Salah, who murdered 72-year-old hotel security guard Israel Tenenbaum in 1993 by hitting him in the head with a metal rod. “I saw them crying and I started crying myself. I said to myself that if the attack were against my family sitting at the table, it would be the same thing. It’s hard to see an entire family disappear, it’s hard. Why is there no justice? It was the same with the attack at the Park Hotel in Netanya.”

Mudqaq Salah, who murdered Israel Tenenbaum. 'It's hard to see an entire family disappear'​

“You won’t find a single long-time Fatah prisoner who will tell you he was happy to see a bus exploding,” says Mustafa al-Haj, who murdered Friedrich Rosenfeld in 1989. “No one was happy when children and elderly people were killed on the streets and in the cities.”

Rosenfeld was murdered while hiking on the hills near Ariel. He ran into a group of shepherds who grabbed a knife he had and stabbed him to death. The murderers hid his body on the side of the road.

A report about the murder of Friedrich Rosenfeld in 1989 (Photo: Yedioth Ahronoth Archive)​

Ziad Ghanimat says the prisoners weren’t surprised by the escalation of the second intifada. “If a person wakes up in the morning and hears that his brother was killed for no reason, he will want to respond. Those were very difficult times. You can’t just ignore it. It’s the killing of women and children. When there was a major attack, we would turn off the television and avoid watching it.”

Weren’t there people who supported the attacks?

“There were, but they were the minority. There were people who were happy, but if one or two people are happy—do they represent everyone?”

After terror attacks, would you talk about it?

“Yes, there were long conversations in the cells. People wondered how long it would last and what we would gain from it. But there were also people who were in favor of the suicide bombings.”

Mustafa al-Haj, who murdered Friedrich Rosenfeld. 'No one was happy when children were killed'​

Was there an attack you personally remember?

“There were a few incidents. I’ll mention the children who were murdered in the settlement of Itamar near Nablus (the Fogel family massacre). We had nothing to say. They’re small children, after all. It was difficult. No one accepted it. Sometimes we were silent, unable to talk. What could we say?”

Are you able to say to yourself today that you murdered human beings?

“I find it very difficult. I’m not happy about it, but at night I sometimes think about it. It’s very hard. At the end of the day, I took a person’s life.”

Would you agree to meet their families?

“It’s mentally difficult, but if they agree—I’ll explain my stance to them. I’m sure they won’t agree.”

A report about Israel Tenenbaum's murder in 1993 (Photo: Yedioth Ahronoth Archive)​

Mudqaq Salah asked to convey a message to the family of his victim, Israel Tenenbaum: “I’m sorry. I wasn’t normal when I did it. I wasn’t calm. I did it out of nerves. I would like to apologize to the Tenenbaum family. I know there’s no chance they’ll forgive me. I know it’s hard for them.”

“Anyone can kill a person,” says Esmat Mansour. “It’s easier to do something that leads to a lot of disasters. There’s no heroism in it. When I was invited to celebrate (my) departure from prison, I was presented as a hero who did this and that. I don’t identify with that or feel connected to it in any way.

"It’s what I’m trying to convey to our side, to our youth. They see what we did as heroism, and I tell them that sitting in prison isn’t heroism. Sitting in prison isn’t unusual, but coming out of prison with this kind of perception is unusual. You have to come out without any frustration and you have to move on. That’s heroism as I see it.”

 

[Eagle_storm]

The Quran Says Jerusalem Belongs to the Jews
by Saied Shoaaib
January 15, 2018 at 4:30 am

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11680/quran-jerusalem-jews

• Quranic passages clearly illustrate the Jews' imperative to enter the land of Israel.
• And [mention, O Muhammad], when Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember the favor of Allah [God] upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds. O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back and [thus] become losers." — Quran, Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:20-21.
• According to verses in the Quran, God punishes the Jews for their sin of refusing to fight the indigenous people in the land, and God is angry that the Jews refused to convert to Islam. Yet the verses are consistent in their assertion that God gave the Jews the Holy Land.

Following U.S. President Donald Trump's December 6 official recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital, Muslims around the world held angry demonstrations, during which they chanted slogans about Jerusalem "belonging to Muslims." This ought to seem odd to anyone versed in Islamic scripture, since the Quran specifically states that God promised the land of Israel, including Jerusalem, to the Jews.

An aerial view of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, and much of Jerusalem's Old City. (Image source: Andrew Shiva/Wikipedia)


Although ordinary Muslims who might not actually have read their holy book could be excused for their ignorance about the Jewish roots of and rights to Israel and Jerusalem, the same cannot be said for the leaders of Muslim countries, imams and the heads of illustrious Islamic institutions. Dignitaries and scholars of that caliber should know better. Yet many of them repeat false assertions that contradict the Quran and scholarly interpretations of its verses.

The fact is that the Quran does not mention Jerusalem or Palestine. It does refer to the sanctity of other holy places, such as Mecca -- which is called the "Mother of Cities" -- where the Prophet Muhammad was born and where the house of God was built by Abraham, the "father of the prophets."

The Quran also mentions the city of Yathrib [Medina], where the Prophet Mohammed emigrated after he was persecuted in Mecca, and the location of his grave and the Prophet's Mosque.

Other cities cited in the Quran are Babel and Aram; and a country named is Egypt. Yet, not only are Palestine and Jerusalem absent from the text; there is a consensus of interpretation among the most respected Sunni and Shiite Muslim scholars of past centuries -- such as Al-Tabari, Al-Qurtubi, Ibn Kathir, Ibn Abi Zayd, Mahmud al-Alusi, Al-Baghawi -- that, according to the Quran, God gave to the Jews the land from the Nile to the Euphrates, territory that includes not only Jerusalem and Palestine, but a large part of Egypt and Iraq, and all of Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.

The following Quranic passages clearly illustrate the Jews' imperative to enter the land of Israel:

• And [mention, O Muhammad], when Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember the favor of Allah [God] upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds. O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back and [thus] become losers." [Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:20-21]
• They said, "O Moses, indeed within it is a people of tyrannical strength, and indeed, we will never enter it until they leave it; but if they leave it, then we will enter." [Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:22]
• Two men among those who feared [disobeying the people upon whom] Allah had bestowed favor said, "Enter upon them through the gate, for when you have entered it, you will be predominant. And upon Allah rely, if you should be believers." [Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:23]
• [The Israelites] said, "O Moses, indeed we will not enter it, ever, as long as they are within it; so go, you and your Lord, and fight. Indeed, we are remaining right here." [Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:23]
• [The Israelites] said, "O Moses, indeed we will not enter it, ever, as long as they are within it; so go, you and your Lord, and fight. Indeed, we are remaining right here." [Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:24]
• [Moses] said, "My Lord, indeed I do not possess except myself and my brother, so part us from the defiantly disobedient people." [Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:25]
• [God] said, "Then indeed, it is forbidden to them for forty years [in which] they will wander throughout the land. So do not grieve over the defiantly disobedient people." [Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:26]

According to the verses above, God punishes the Jews for their sin of refusing to fight the indigenous people in the land. And God is angry that the Jews refused to convert to Islam. The Quran is even harsher towards the Jews when recounting the stories of Muhammad's battles against them. Yet the verses are consistent in their assertion that God gave the Holy Land to the Jews.

The reason this is relevant today is that it exposes the hypocrisy of those radical Muslims who claim to believe in and adhere to the letter of the Quran, yet use the claim that Palestine and Jerusalem are Islamic for political purposes and propaganda.

This is not to say that because the land of Israel was a divine gift to the Jews, they therefore have all rights to it. On the contrary, no future peace between Israelis and Palestinians, both of whom reside there, will or should be determined by scripture. This proclamation, however, is as good a reason as any to stop misquoting it.

Saied Shoaaib is a Muslim writer and researcher, specializing in Islamic movements. He is so-author of the recently published book, SUBMISSION: The Danger of Political Islam to Canada – With a Warning to America, written with co-authors Tom Quiggin, Tahir Gora, Jonathon Cotler, and Rick Gill with a foreword by Raheel Raza. The book is available on Amazon.com in both paperback and Kindle versions.​

First of all mr. Mossadi dont quote quranci interpretation ayath if you dont know about it real meaning is and why these ayath came and on which occation these ayath revealed.


Secondly Prophet MUHAMMAD صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم last advice that expel jews from arab territory.
Third Hazrat Umar R.A didnt conquer palestine for jews he did as palestine is a holy place for muslim and the muslim property.
The Salahuddin ayubi didnt conquer it for jews he did it because it belong to Muslims.

Now i dont know what happen to this arab man who is saying that palestine belong to jews, may be it is some take and do deal with mossad..

And inshallah throw out this lollipop from your mouth that palestine belong to you.we will take it again inshallah.

Palestine was first conquer by HAZRAT UMAR.R.A
Second SALAhuddin ayubi. Rahma.al.

And the third will from here PAKISTAN wrote in your personal diary .

We will conquer our holy place inshallah again.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Israel was founded in 1947. Jerusalem is much older than Israel. Does Israel have right to Jerusalem? That depends on if Israel has military power for that.

 

[Solomon2]

First of all mr. Mossadi dont quote quranci interpretation ayath if you dont know about it real meaning is and why these ayath came and on which occation these ayath revealed.

That's merely a rebuke. It suggests you have no reply to the author's arguments.

Secondly Prophet MUHAMMAD صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم last advice that expel jews from arab territory.
Third Hazrat Umar R.A didnt conquer palestine for jews he did as palestine is a holy place for muslim and the muslim property.
The Salahuddin ayubi didnt conquer it for jews he did it because it belong to Muslims.

So these are post-Qu'ranic items that do not contest Saied Shoaaib's arguments but instead are supposed to supersede them?

 

[AmirPatriot]

Compare/contrast:

....Almost every prisoner interviewed for this series of articles served time in prison for murdering Israelis or for being part of a cell that murdered Israelis. After the Oslo Agreements, they gradually underwent a change that pushed them to support a peace agreement with Israel from their prison cells. Later on, they watched it all fall apart with the breakout of the second intifada and the increase in suicide bombings in Israel, which were mostly directed at civilian targets. Some of the attacks left a deep impression on them.

“When the terror attack at the Sbarro restaurant (in Jerusalem) took place, I swear I cried,” says Mudqaq Salah, who murdered 72-year-old hotel security guard Israel Tenenbaum in 1993 by hitting him in the head with a metal rod. “I saw them crying and I started crying myself. I said to myself that if the attack were against my family sitting at the table, it would be the same thing. It’s hard to see an entire family disappear, it’s hard. Why is there no justice? It was the same with the attack at the Park Hotel in Netanya.”

Mudqaq Salah, who murdered Israel Tenenbaum. 'It's hard to see an entire family disappear'​

“You won’t find a single long-time Fatah prisoner who will tell you he was happy to see a bus exploding,” says Mustafa al-Haj, who murdered Friedrich Rosenfeld in 1989. “No one was happy when children and elderly people were killed on the streets and in the cities.”

Rosenfeld was murdered while hiking on the hills near Ariel. He ran into a group of shepherds who grabbed a knife he had and stabbed him to death. The murderers hid his body on the side of the road.

A report about the murder of Friedrich Rosenfeld in 1989 (Photo: Yedioth Ahronoth Archive)​

Ziad Ghanimat says the prisoners weren’t surprised by the escalation of the second intifada. “If a person wakes up in the morning and hears that his brother was killed for no reason, he will want to respond. Those were very difficult times. You can’t just ignore it. It’s the killing of women and children. When there was a major attack, we would turn off the television and avoid watching it.”

Weren’t there people who supported the attacks?

“There were, but they were the minority. There were people who were happy, but if one or two people are happy—do they represent everyone?”

After terror attacks, would you talk about it?

“Yes, there were long conversations in the cells. People wondered how long it would last and what we would gain from it. But there were also people who were in favor of the suicide bombings.”

Mustafa al-Haj, who murdered Friedrich Rosenfeld. 'No one was happy when children were killed'​

Was there an attack you personally remember?

“There were a few incidents. I’ll mention the children who were murdered in the settlement of Itamar near Nablus (the Fogel family massacre). We had nothing to say. They’re small children, after all. It was difficult. No one accepted it. Sometimes we were silent, unable to talk. What could we say?”

Are you able to say to yourself today that you murdered human beings?

“I find it very difficult. I’m not happy about it, but at night I sometimes think about it. It’s very hard. At the end of the day, I took a person’s life.”

Would you agree to meet their families?

“It’s mentally difficult, but if they agree—I’ll explain my stance to them. I’m sure they won’t agree.”

A report about Israel Tenenbaum's murder in 1993 (Photo: Yedioth Ahronoth Archive)​

Mudqaq Salah asked to convey a message to the family of his victim, Israel Tenenbaum: “I’m sorry. I wasn’t normal when I did it. I wasn’t calm. I did it out of nerves. I would like to apologize to the Tenenbaum family. I know there’s no chance they’ll forgive me. I know it’s hard for them.”

“Anyone can kill a person,” says Esmat Mansour. “It’s easier to do something that leads to a lot of disasters. There’s no heroism in it. When I was invited to celebrate (my) departure from prison, I was presented as a hero who did this and that. I don’t identify with that or feel connected to it in any way.

"It’s what I’m trying to convey to our side, to our youth. They see what we did as heroism, and I tell them that sitting in prison isn’t heroism. Sitting in prison isn’t unusual, but coming out of prison with this kind of perception is unusual. You have to come out without any frustration and you have to move on. That’s heroism as I see it.”

I did not read your post.

I repeat. I will not owe anyone anything because someone else has wronged them.

 

[Ceylal]

Idiots are everywhere and Saudi Arabia is not exception.

Saudis are the norm and the standard of intelligence...

That's not the question. The question is, "Why aren't you considering imposing collective guilt on yourselves?"

Define guilt?

I corrected it more to reflect the truth.

least of them, maybe, due to Zem Zem water. I guess,.Sauds are the worst...If treason has to standardized, its unit should named “KSA”

 

[Solomon2]

I did not read your post. I repeat. I will not owe anyone anything because someone else has wronged them.

If you read my posted article you'll discover it quotes people who appear to agree with you!

 

[AmirPatriot]

If you read my posted article you'll discover it quotes people who appear to agree with you!

A quick glance shows you are posting people who have been arrested. Like I said - I will not owe anything because of what someone else has done.

 

[Solomon2]

A quick glance shows you are posting people who have been arrested. Like I said - I will not owe anything because of what someone else has done.

The men interviewed accepted that they owe something because of what they themselves did. Do you?

 

[AmirPatriot]

The men interviewed accepted that they owe something because of what they themselves did. Do you?

No Hasbara troll, I am not guilty of any crime.

 

[Mitro]

Wahabi are just been good to their master and they will also send their troops to save israhell .
Allah aur uske Rasool saw ki lakh lanaat.