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Why sati is still a burning issue

Divya A, TNN 16 August 2009, 12:36am IST



Last week, 60-year-old Sharbati Bai attempted to commit sati on her husband's pyre in Rajasthan's Sikar district. She couldn't because the village
and the police stopped her just in time.

Roop Kanwar, India's last known sati, was not so lucky 20 years ago. Has Rajasthan finally won the war against the practice of sati?

When Roop Kanwar was burnt to death in 1987, it was said her act was abetted by her husband's family and the whole village, though this was never established in a court of law. Fast forward 22 years and just a few km from the spot in Deorala where the bride of eight months was publicly burnt, a whole village prevented an old widow from burning herself at the altar of custom
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What does this mean, if anything? Has India finally been able to stamp out sati, almost 21 years after it brought in anti-Sati legislation? Yes, say sociologists who work against sati in the area. But they add that even though the custom has been dying a slow death since the law came about, the myth remains, which is why a Sharbati Bai still tries to do a Roop Kanwar.


Kavita Srivastava, general secretary of the People's Union for Civil Liberties, Rajasthan, has been actively working to discourage the practice since 1987. She says "the law has very effective in preventing the making of a sati" but adds that "it has not been equally successful in preventing the glorification of sati even though it has been rendered a crime."

Srivastava says Roop Kanwar was independent India's 40th sati but the law has done what it should have - made the practice too dangerous to abet. "Most reported cases have taken place in the Shekhawati belt of Rajasthan or in Madhya Pradesh.

"And most of these areas are where the Sati is glorified, where there are sati temples and pujas are still conducted," she says.

But even though sati may be simply falling out fashion, but women's activists and legal experts are worried it may be revived for commercial reasons. India has at least 250 sati temples and the ruling on pujas is too ambiguous to be preventive, they say. Srivastava describes the industry that thrived around Roop Kanwar's horrific public death. "It was followed by congregations and festivals, and attempts were made to collect funds for the construction of a temple at the site, although the efforts were thwarted after widespread protests and legal intervention."


A sati temple has always been a big draw. Some temples are thought to be as old as the custom itself, which is believed to have originated 700 years ago among Rajasthan's ruling warrior community. It was first declared illegal in India as far back as 1829 by Lord William Bentinck, then Governor-General of the East India Company, largely because of Raja Ram Mohan Roy's activist efforts.


Dr Sarvesh Dhillon, former history professor at Amritsar's Guru Nanak Dev University, says: "As per the records kept by the Bengal Presidency of the British East India Company, the known occurrences in 1813-1828 were 8,135. Raja Ram Mohan Roy estimated 10 times as many cases of sati in Bengal compared to the rest of the country. In modern times, sati has been largely confined to Rajasthan, with a few instances in the Gangetic plain."

Dhillon says many Muslim such as Akbar, Jahangir and Aurangzeb, and some Christian rulers have attempted to stop the practice.

But almost two centuries after Bentinck's law and two decades after the anti-sati Act, activists say it is significant that there are discreet congregations at the Rani Sati temple complex in Jhunjhunu, which is called the fountainhead of sati. "Sometimes, the glorification may be difficult to prove as the rituals are conducted in the name of individual pujas," says Srivastava.
The National Commission for Women recently suggested amendments to the law to prohibit worship at ancient shrines. Kirti Singh, legal convener of the All India Democratic Women's Association, says the glorification continues "but it is a battle that we can wage because we have the Act, which defines glorification and criminalizes it."

The war on sati is not over then.

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You forgot to bold this part..

Last week, 60-year-old Sharbati Bai attempted to commit sati on her husband's pyre in Rajasthan's Sikar district. She couldn't because the village
and the police stopped her just in time.
 
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You forgot to bold this part..

Last week, 60-year-old Sharbati Bai attempted to commit sati on her husband's pyre in Rajasthan's Sikar district. She couldn't because the village
and the police stopped her just in time.

I have also highlighted the part where your government inacted a law to stop this practice.

The part caught my attention which has stated about glorification of sati at centuries-old temples and now as business element has also got its way to it which is cause of concern.
 
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Jana you just twisted the above news for ur conveniance..
Sati was practiced in India only after Moughal invaded India.. It just shows courage of Indian woman to do such a sacrifice to save herself to be used in Harams.....
 
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Jana you just twisted the above news for ur conveniance..
Sati was practiced in India only after Moughal invaded India.. It just shows courage of Indian woman to do such a sacrifice to save herself to be used in Harams.....


The history says that Mughals rulers tried to ban this hindu custom.

Mahabhharta and Ramayana are older than Mughal rule.

As far as Hindu Indian women's use in harams i dont buy your argumnet because if so why they did not sacrifice themselves to be saved from being used in haram of Akbar.
 
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Off topic. we had already debated that in many threads. So hope you have some courage to debate Sati custom in Hinduism.

Thanks

Jana. Last time I checked the internet, there were several burning issues, that could have been taken up for slandering India within the context of Pakistan. But you are patient enough and have always been choosy enough to pick the topics that are more concerned with India's soft under belly, the superstitious crowd. While it makes good for a couple of your country men to cheer and earn you thank you points, I fail to understand what you gain out of this. This news report, is most probably was written by an Indian in a Indian Journal which according to you is mostly jingoistic and lacks credibility. But when You want to deliver a below-the-belt punch(yes, If a Pakistani Lady, who is a nationalistic woman posts such news, it is has only intention that of slandering, rather than any constructive debate) this news has all the credibility. By the what was the point in posting this bit of news? Kindly enlighten and spare me the usual line that we have several social problems, or that you are highlighting social issues, or showing the world what India is, or that you are concerned about status of Women in India. Kindly try to reply subjectively.:disagree:
 
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Jana. Last time I checked the internet, there were several burning issues, that could have been taken up for slandering India within the context of Pakistan. But you are patient enough and have always been choosy enough to pick the topics that are more concerned with India's soft under belly, the superstitious crowd. While it makes good for a couple of your country men to cheer and earn you thank you points, I fail to understand what you gain out of this. This news report, is most probably was written by an Indian in a Indian Journal which according to you is mostly jingoistic and lacks credibility. But when You want to deliver a below-the-belt punch(yes, If a Pakistani Lady, who is a nationalistic woman posts such news, it is has only intention that of slandering, rather than any constructive debate) this news has all the credibility. By the what was the point in posting this bit of news? Kindly enlighten and spare me the usual line that we have several social problems, or that you are highlighting social issues, or showing the world what India is, or that you are concerned about status of Women in India. Kindly try to reply subjectively.:disagree:

:) first of all the points my countrymen or otherwise given me uptill now are based on not the reason you mentioned.

Besides i dont care about points its kinda childish to post for points.

Nothing wrong in posting the different view point we had been posting such topics regarding Pakistan so why not India.

Now i would like you to tell this to your Indian posters too but i think you failed to notice what they are posting but we did not object to their posting against Pakistan on a Pakistani forum. Rather we are debating them.

This shows our courage :) and i would request you to show the same courage to tolerate criticism of India.


Now as far as this report is concerned. Your own Indians are saying that why sati is still an issue. Not because of burning the widows but there are new aspects to this.

The point is to present the Indian views which says the oldest Sati temples still glorify the practice just to collect funds
Let me quote "

"And most of these areas are where the Sati is glorified, where there are sati temples and pujas are still conducted," she says.

But even though sati may be simply falling out fashion, but women's activists and legal experts are worried it may be revived for commercial reasons. India has at least 250 sati temples and the ruling on pujas is too ambiguous to be preventive, they say. Srivastava describes the industry that thrived around Roop Kanwar's horrific public death. "It was followed by congregations and festivals, and attempts were made to collect funds for the construction of a temple at the site, although the efforts were thwarted after widespread protests and legal intervention."



"But almost two centuries after Bentinck's law and two decades after the anti-sati Act, activists say it is significant that there are discreet congregations at the Rani Sati temple complex in Jhunjhunu, which is called the fountainhead of sati. "Sometimes, the glorification may be difficult to prove as the rituals are conducted in the name of individual pujas," says Srivastava.
 
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:) first of all the points my countrymen or otherwise given me uptill now are based on not the reason you mentioned.

Besides i dont care about points its kinda childish to post for points.

Nothing wrong in posting the different view point we had been posting such topics regarding Pakistan so why not India.

Now i would like you to tell this to your Indian posters too but i think you failed to notice what they are posting but we did not object to their posting against Pakistan on a Pakistani forum. Rather we are debating them.

This shows our courage :) and i would request you to show the same courage to tolerate criticism of India.


Now as far as this report is concerned. Your own Indians are saying that why sati is still an issue. Not because of burning the widows but there are new aspects to this.

The point is to present the Indian views which says the oldest Sati temples still glorify the practice just to collect funds
Let me quote "

"And most of these areas are where the Sati is glorified, where there are sati temples and pujas are still conducted," she says.

But even though sati may be simply falling out fashion, but women's activists and legal experts are worried it may be revived for commercial reasons. India has at least 250 sati temples and the ruling on pujas is too ambiguous to be preventive, they say. Srivastava describes the industry that thrived around Roop Kanwar's horrific public death. "It was followed by congregations and festivals, and attempts were made to collect funds for the construction of a temple at the site, although the efforts were thwarted after widespread protests and legal intervention."



"But almost two centuries after Bentinck's law and two decades after the anti-sati Act, activists say it is significant that there are discreet congregations at the Rani Sati temple complex in Jhunjhunu, which is called the fountainhead of sati. "Sometimes, the glorification may be difficult to prove as the rituals are conducted in the name of individual pujas," says Srivastava.

Tolerate criticism of India huh :P

Girl :) Do me a favour.. Read through my posts. They are too little.. like say, 50 posts.. You will know the truth..
What i dont appreciate is the intention behind the news.. ;) one dude posted a news on Temple stampede with all smiles. Another dude posted a news item that "Nixon addressed Indians as Bastards" with lots of laughter icons.

I see posts from Think Tank Muse. His posts and views are genuine. I would say the same about Durran3. But i dont see the same sincerity of thought word and action in others.
 
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Off topic. we had already debated that in many threads. So hope you have some courage to debate Sati custom in Hinduism.

Thanks

Well it has been discussed thousand times before in this very forum, many india bashers have already raised this issue in various threads. This thread just adds to the long list. The fact of the matter is, sati is criminal and it has been banned by law, and the glorification of sati too is not right and modern india understands it. Hinduism have evolved over the centuries and such bad practises have been done away with thanks to education and exposure to information.
 
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Tolerate criticism of India huh :P

Girl :) Do me a favour.. Read through my posts. They are too little.. like say, 50 posts.. You will know the truth..
What i dont appreciate is the intention behind the news.. ;) one dude posted a news on Temple stampede with all smiles. Another dude posted a news item that "Nixon addressed Indians as Bastards" with lots of laughter icons.

I see posts from Think Tank Muse. His posts and views are genuine. I would say the same about Durran3. But i dont see the same sincerity of thought word and action in others.



you are good poster thats why did i ever take a punga with you ???;)


Muse has own view so as others. any view that is against Pakistan and Islam will be taken by Indians as genuine (im talking generally not viz viz muse)

And one more thing i think this much better than the post once i saw in an Indian forum with title "Pakistani elephant killed his master" :P


And serioulsy man this report caught my attention as one of my friends for the last one week is using the word "sati savitree" and i honestly dint know what does this phrase mean .


So can we back to the topic
 
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you are good poster thats why did i ever take a punga with you ???;)


Muse has own view so as others. any view that is against Pakistan and Islam will be taken by Indians as genuine (im talking generally not viz viz muse)

And one more thing i think this much better than the post once i saw in an Indian forum with title "Pakistani elephant killed his master" :P


And serioulsy man this report caught my attention as one of my friends for the last one week is using the word "sati savitree" and i honestly dint know what does this phrase mean .


So can we back to the topic

all you had to do was ask me ! Sati is practised, untouchability to an extent. Inter caste marriage is frowned upon. Caste system is prevalent. Not the usual Brahminical Tyranny. One has to remember that Brahmins are usually more forward compared to other castes. (case in point, the milk maid in our house, ( who in olden days would not be allowed in side brahmin houses) is harping on how her street is being taken over by other lower casts. Caste system is prevalent in all rank and file. There is no lone victim or tormentor here.
 
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