Sartaj Aziz on Shimla Agreement - No longer relevant - to solve Kashmir "bilaterally"

[El Sidd]

Pakistan and India will be at war before the decade is in the history books.

 

[third eye]

The Pakistani military hierarchy has given up on Kashmir. There’s no point bringing them or politicians into it.
Right now Pakistan is in its greatest mess since 71 and that’s saying something.
India just sits back and laughs. or smiles.

... and waits

 

[Mentee]

Kahsmir is already a lost cause . Better if Indo pak leave that region under u.n control and help each other out in trade and socio-economics.

Pakistan and India will be at war before the decade is in the history books.

Dumb desis are hell bent on making each other a radioactive omelette for a thing which never had been there own to begin with . Keep on paying billions to stroke their arrogance .

 

[agamdilawari]

Yes, we can get obliterated but so would you. We accept our deaths do you accept a nuclear holocaust? It would be end of life of face of the earth.

This can't be the blackmail Sir lol. "Give us Kashmir otherwise there be will be Nuclear winter all over the globe". Try using this threat to get your loans waived off first. That's a much smaller matter compared to Kashmir.

 

[SBD-3]

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TBH, the last most realistic point to resolve Kashmir was the Lahore declaration of 1999. After Kargil, Kashmir has become a lost cause and Army knows this as well. Ind-Pak military disparity has widening since 2000s will continue to worsen as the economies of both countries diverge.

 

[VkdIndian]

Because if not Modi than next joker Yogi wll come for that.

You had 70 years to negotiate with very reasonable and pliant governments in India. Those were squandered away by repeated misadventures of your establishment.

Modi and Yogi have taken the narrative into the offensive and turned it around to - “when are you handing over your portion”?
Obviously, they also know the limitations of rhetoric. They also know, what sells to get votes. They are smart politicians and aren’t dumb to launch a war.

We need to do both simultaneously.

In an ideal world yes. But, in reality, your nation is going down everyday, on all fronts, that require good governance. Probably, IK was your only hope and he is rotting in a jail with no end in sight.

 

[VkdIndian]

TBH, the last most realistic point to resolve Kashmir was the Lahore declaration of 1999.

100% correct. No Indian politician will ever put his position at stake, like Vajpayee and try to resolve this issue, knowing that the Establishment will never allow peace with India.

How will they justify being a security state, if there is peace with India?

Coming to this thread. Who is Sartaj Aziz to declare a treaty irrelevant? Shimla agreement has everything to resolve issues bilaterally. But the distrust between the nations is so high that it might not work. From Paksiatn’s side it is the establishment which would never allow any government to strike a deal that could bring lasting peace.

Moreover, if Shimla agreement of 1972 is irrelevant than how can UN resolutions of 40s and 50s be relevant?

In any case, Kashmir issue can be considered done and dusted by everyone. The writing is on the wall and only blind would miss it.

 

[surmabhopali]

Pakistan and India will be at war before the decade is in the history books.

You have seven and half years . Go ahead.

 

[Azadkashmir]

its for pakistani ppl to save kashmir you must give big blood sacrifice.

 

[Zarvan]

You had 70 years to negotiate with very reasonable and pliant governments in India. Those were squandered away by repeated misadventures of your establishment.

Modi and Yogi have taken the narrative into the offensive and turned it around to - “when are you handing over your portion”?
Obviously, they also know the limitations of rhetoric. They also know, what sells to get votes. They are smart politicians and aren’t dumb to launch a war.

In an ideal world yes. But, in reality, your nation is going down everyday, on all fronts, that require good governance. Probably, IK was your only hope and he is rotting in a jail with no end in sight.

Yes, we are facing hard times. Trust me still Kashmir is not going anywhere. And if it goes than we all go down INSHALLAH.

 

[Rollno21]

Yes, we are facing hard times. Trust me still Kashmir is not going anywhere. And if it goes than we all go down INSHALLAH.

Of course you will go down there is no other outcome if Pakistan hamgs on to kashmir.

 

[Zarvan]

Of course you will go down there is no other outcome if Pakistan hamgs on to kashmir.

If we don't than for sure we we would go down.

 

[Skull and Bones]

... and waits

Smooth, bhai.

Yes, we are facing hard times. Trust me still Kashmir is not going anywhere.

How can it go anywhere? It's a landmass.

 

[third eye]

Yes, we are facing hard times. Trust me still Kashmir is not going anywhere. And if it goes than we all go down INSHALLAH.

Kashmir was never within reach , but now is way beyond Pakistan's grasp.

 

[surmabhopali]

Kashmir was never within reach , but now is way beyond Pakistan's grasp.

Very true .