Sangin district falls again to the Taliban

[DESERT FIGHTER]

given talibans past records of terror and medieval form of governance, its fair on part northern alliance to expect moral and military support from the leading democracies. 8000 soldiers can hardly be called as occupying forces who are there at the request of the democratically elected government. These forces are mainly there to protect the American establishments like their embassy.
Afghanistan is in turmoil for many many years and has been on path of normalcy only recently. It would be unfair to expect miracles from their government and army. Both Afghan government and Afghan army are recognized by all the countries of the world while talibans are considered a terrorist outfit by most. Talibans need to shed their image and follow the path of peace as envisaged by the world.


If you are confident that people support you then you don't fear democracy.

Trust me NA is much more brutal and cruel.

Taliban are no doubt too conservative but they are just, NA just dont give a f...

Do you know people of Kabul showered petals on Taliban when they came to power?

NA although hates Taliban and others due to ethnic differences.

Taliban i believe, know they can defeat afghan govt hence they want to negotiate from a position of power.

They were ready do surrender after the US invasion. But US arrogance and NA massacres (like the Dasht-e-Leili Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasht-i-Leili_massacre ) gave them a new resolve.

Taliban maybe rejected by urban afghans but not the majority rural south, ethnic pashtuns, who have seen NA attrocities and discrimination.

Even Mr Ghani is powerless, infront of a majority former NA warlord Shura (parliament) and his hands are tied.

 

[Radio Mirchi]

It was no different than current day Yogi/Modi lead Indian govt.

Both Talibans and Hindu fanatics share religious extremism for which reason they are considered a huge threat for the whole region.

I think an election without USA/NATO will see them come to power with huge majority just like religious fanatics in India have done it.

Talibans were not recognized by any country in the world except Pakistan, KSA, UAE. Why do you support then when they are religious extremists and threat to the whole region?
On the other hand, India remains constitutionally secular under Modi and Yogi and both have muslims in their cabinet.

 

[coffee_cup]

Talibans were not recognized by any country in the world except Pakistan, KSA, UAE. Why do you support then when they are religious extremists and threat to the whole region?
On the other hand, India remains constitutionally secular under Modi and Yogi and both have muslims in their cabinet.

Indians support religious fanatics and elect them to highest offices of the govt. Pakistan has to accept that choice made by extremism leaning public. Inducting few ministers from the minorities for cosmetic reasons doesnt make them less fanatics. Hell, even Talibans would do that if there were a lot of Hinuds living there.

Of course there are several on Pakistan side who also support Talibans, but Pakistan will never elect a releigious fanatic as their CM let alone PM.

 

[Radio Mirchi]

Indians support religious fanatics and elect them to highest offices of the govt. Pakistan has to accept that choice made by extremism leaning public. Inducting few ministers from the minorities for cosmetic reasons doesnt make them less fanatics. Hell, even Talibans would do that if there were a lot of Hinuds living there.

Of course there are several on Pakistan side who also support Talibans, but Pakistan will never elect a releigious fanatic as their CM let alone PM.

India has built strong democratic institutions since independence and we have more faith in our institutions than individuals. The troika of Christian, Sikh and Muslim (Sonia Gandhi, Manmohan Singh and Ahmed Patel) ran this country for 10 years without anyone raising any eyebrows. So why bother when hindu nationalists come to power? As long as they run the country by the constitution, it does not matter who is at helm.
I understand that you will not be able to appreciate this as your nation has failed to build democratic system and institutions. Also, you don't have moral rights to comment on others' secular credentials since you are an Islamic nation and you don't give equal political rights to non-muslims.

 

[coffee_cup]

So why bother when hindu nationalists come to power? As long as they run the country by the constitution, it does not matter who is at helm.
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Hindu fanatics just like Talibans are extremely dangerous people. This is why it is a cause of concern for the region.

Or you consider Talibans to be acceptable?

 

[Radio Mirchi]

Hindu fanatics just like Talibans are extremely dangerous people. This is why it is a cause of concern for the region.

Or you consider Talibans to be acceptable?

Only Pakistan supports Talibans, no one else. Fanaticism is deplorable. India has several political parties which are inspired by some religion or the other, for eg. Shiromani Akali Dal, All India Majlis-e-Ittehad-al-muslimeen, Bhartiya Janata Party etc. Individual Fanatics do not matter. We have a strong constitution and we are governed by that. Individually one may think or feel anything but when he holds a constitutional position, he has to abide by the constitution. You may have the best and most just individual as head of the government but if he is forced to act under a discriminatory constitution, then he can never be fair.
It is said that laymen discuss individuals, others discuss events but the wise people discuss concept. We believe in our concept (constitution) and our strengths come from there and not individuals. We can not support a concept that discriminates between humans.

 

[coffee_cup]

Fanaticism is deplorable. .

I agree with this one.

All fanatics be it Muslim Talibans, or Hindu Talibans like Yogi, Modi and their supporter are deplorable.

Putting fanatics in govt is never a good idea, no matter what kind of short term "economic progress" they can bring in the country.

 

[Radio Mirchi]

I agree with this one.

All fanatics be it Muslim Talibans, or Hindu Talibans like Yogi, Modi and their supporter are deplorable.

Putting fanatics in govt is never a good idea, no matter what kind of short term "economic progress" they can bring in the country.

I would rather go by the deeds and not the image. Rajiv Gandhi had a very clean, westernized image but he was the one who allowed Lord Rama idols to be worshiped in the disputed structure in Ayodhya. He was the one who first banned The Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie and succumbed to pressure of muslim fanatics in Shahbano case. Atal Bihari Vajpayee being a staunch hindu nationalist turned out to be a very moderate Prime Minister.

 

[krash]

given talibans past records of terror and medieval form of governance, its fair on part northern alliance to expect moral and military support from the leading democracies.

Care to elaborate on what the NA's past records of governance and non-terror are? They are two sides of the same coin. Before the west supported the Taliban and pushed them against NA, now they are doing the opposite.

 

[The Sandman]

ANF should get there act right. They are all proving to be a bunch of headless chickens running around in that waste land. What are the international forces in Afghanistan doing anyway? Can't the just keep those Talis out?? Everyday we hear about Taliban gaining ground. THIS MUST STOP AND US NEEDS TO ACT ALONG ALL THE OTHER PARTIES INVOLVED IN AFGHANISTAN. The way situation is being handled right now is not good for the security and stability of the whole region.

Sangin is situatied in Helmand provience, bordering Pakistan. The US led coalition forces and ANF screw ups in that area are matter of serious concern for Pakistan.

US tax payers needs to ask their gov about billions of $ that US spent in the name of training and arming Afghan forces to fight against taliban after watching their performance i now wonder if they've actually spent even few millions?!?!