SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

[SQ8]

Interesting beginning.

Not exactly. considering you have worked with them; you should know. Chinese see, Chinese do.
There is a reason they are forbidden from Jacobabad.

 

[araz]

Interesting beginning.

A very laden and I dare say cryptic message. Please elaborate.
regards
A

 

[WarFariX]

Not exactly. considering you have worked with them; you should know. Chinese see, Chinese do.
There is a reason they are forbidden from Jacobabad.

elaborate jacobabad plz

 

[messiach]

Not exactly. considering you have worked with them; you should know. Chinese see, Chinese do.
There is a reason they are forbidden from Jacobabad.

I left 2005. I have limited info on project 611 apart from OKB turbines. There are hundreds of engineers working under various heads (but connections always remain live).

I have limited info on project 611 apart from high thrust OKB turbines.

A very laden and I dare say cryptic message. Please elaborate.
regards
A

 

[SQ8]

I left 2005. I have limited info on project 611 apart from OKB turbines. There are hundreds of engineers working under various heads (but connections always remain live).

I have limited info on project 611 apart from high thrust OKB turbines.

Not referring to the project but why they are essentially forbidden from Jacobabad. Why every other product they offer has some inspiration from other sources.

 

[CHINA83NEWS]

Can't imagine Pakistan buying a Chinese fighter aircraft that the Chinese won't buy themselves unless it's designed specifically for Pakistan like the FC-1 Fierce Dragon / JF-17 Thunder.

no longer.As you can on the platform of an important weight

For Pakistan awacs with China is a very good fighter.Also adding new technology.

 

[messiach]

This is not my perception. Despite third rated arm-twisting tactics by western capitals directly or indirectly through russian blackmail, they successfully completed HTT projects under different heads. Chinese are resilient and innovative contrary to many beliefs.

Not referring to the project but why they are essentially forbidden from Jacobabad. Why every other product they offer has some inspiration from other sources.

 

[SQ8]

This is not my perception. Despite third rated arm-twisting tactics by western capitals directly or indirectly through russian blackmail, they successfully completed HTT projects under different heads. Chinese are resilient and innovative contrary to many beliefs.

You are linking resilience and innovation with their ability to adapt various western conceps quickly which is fair.

But that does not take away a general approach of reverse engineering that they take. To the extent that even the Turks were wary when we suggested that we would like to test the "NRTC" radios compatibility with some Chinese offerring.

 

[WarFariX]

This is not my perception. Despite third rated arm-twisting tactics by western capitals directly or indirectly through russian blackmail, they successfully completed HTT projects under different heads. Chinese are resilient and innovative contrary to many beliefs.

can you guys tell me what is this project 611 and is it anyway linked with those large turbine engines 5-6months ago being moved from HIT taxila to somewhere else????

You are linking resilience and innovation with their ability to adapt various western conceps quickly which is fair.

But that does not take away a general approach of reverse engineering that they take. To the extent that even the Turks were wary when we suggested that we would like to test the "NRTC" radios compatibility with some Chinese offerring.

 

[messiach]

Reverse engineering HTT's - high thrust turbines is not possible. Chinese never bothered to reverse engineer mikoyan engines. Turbines now being tested onboard their heavy-lifter are pure bread chinese. RE is not chinese exclusive, UK based firms RE when the need and demand arise and circumstances exist.

You are linking resilience and innovation with their ability to adapt various western conceps quickly which is fair.

But that does not take away a general approach of reverse engineering that they take. To the extent that even the Turks were wary when we suggested that we would like to test the "NRTC" radios compatibility with some Chinese offerring.

 

[SQ8]

Reverse engineering HTT's - high thrust turbines is not possible. Chinese never bothered to reverse engineer mikoyan engines. Turbines now being tested onboard their heavy-lifter are pure bread chinese. RE is not chinese exclusive, UK based firms RE when the need and demand arise and circumstances exist.

I am not referring to purely HTT's, but other avenues. UK firms(and elsewhere) doing RE end up in IP courts, such as Qinetiq did and depending on the deepness of pockets and effectivness of lawyers; some lose millions while others get away.


The highlight is not RE , but the level of dependence on it. Although in the past few years it has lessened considerably. There is nothing wrong with wanting to adopt ideas and improvements, but where it

That being said, the Israelis led the RE and knowledge theft field during the 70's and 80's.

 

[WarFariX]

@Deino ban him plz[emoji651][emoji651][emoji651][emoji651][emoji651]

 

[messiach]

I recognise where you are coming from.
US is guilty of RE EMPP (electromagnetic pr.propulsion) & grade 6+ titanium/tin/vanadium/palladium/niobium+silicone alloys for AeroSp engineering. All countries do, but i take your point.

I am not referring to purely HTT's, but other avenues. UK firms(and elsewhere) doing RE end up in IP courts, such as Qinetiq did and depending on the deepness of pockets and effectivness of lawyers; some lose millions while others get away.


The highlight is not RE , but the level of dependence on it. Although in the past few years it has lessened considerably. There is nothing wrong with wanting to adopt ideas and improvements, but where it

That being said, the Israelis led the RE and knowledge theft field during the 70's and 80's.

 

[MastanKhan]

I am not referring to purely HTT's, but other avenues. UK firms(and elsewhere) doing RE end up in IP courts, such as Qinetiq did and depending on the deepness of pockets and effectivness of lawyers; some lose millions while others get away.


The highlight is not RE , but the level of dependence on it. Although in the past few years it has lessened considerably. There is nothing wrong with wanting to adopt ideas and improvements, but where it

That being said, the Israelis led the RE and knowledge theft field during the 70's and 80's.

Hi,

Could you please give the example of one major weapon that they reverse engineered.

 

[Avicenna]

For starters the Mirage 5. Although there are rumors they were helped by Dassault.