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SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

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Shouldn't sell it to any country that is too close to the Anglo Axis. They will no doubt snoop around and try to figure out weaknesses of the jet. Maybe sell to Vietnam, Iran, Pakistan, Myanmar, Central Asia and Argentina. Myanmar and Venezuela wants it too but they got no money for it.
 
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fc-1 won't have hardpoints on wing. that defeats the purpose of stealth shaping.

Depends on your missions & requirements.

If your Forces decimated enemy defence & gain Air-Superiority. Then you will see Stealth Aircfraft carrying payloads like this.

Just like J-20 5th Gen Stealth-Fighter also have external pylons
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How good would this be flying PAF colours

I think PAF would prefer China to properly commit to this fighter before committing to it - Pakistan will not want to be the lead client on this and it will not want to procure until the PLAAF does .... PAF will want economies of scale on this platform before considering it. That is why the TFX is quite interesting to PAF - Turkey will commit to TFX big time - maybe more than China will to the FC-31 ... PAF got its fingers burned with the China on the JF17 when China pulled out of buying it - that act undermined a large portion of the business case for the JF17(China is at liberty to do what it wants etc ... ) but it meant Pakistan had to devote more financial resources to its design and build phase that it was originally planning to.. Lesson learned!!!!

Depends on your missions & requirements.

If your Forces decimated enemy defence & gain Air-Superiority. Then you will see Stealth Aircfraft carrying payloads like this.

Just like J-20 5th Gen Stealth-Fighter also have external pylons
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To me - this is the most beautiful picture of the J20 ever !!! Looks like a proper snarling Dragon here !!!
 
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A new office in China has been established for the purpose of promoting the FC-31 stealth fighter in foreign markets, indicating that the aircraft is considered ready for serial production if not that production may have already begun. The Shenyang Aircraft Manufacturing Company’s FC-31 fifth generation fighter program saw the aircraft make its first flight in 2012, a year after its rival the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group’s J-20, and although largely overshadowed by its competitor it has seen considerable progress towards serial production over the past decade. While the J-20 entered service in the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force in March 2017, and has since seen extensive improvements made to the design and a specialised twin seat variant developed, the FC-31 program for a lighter medium weight stealth fighter appears to have seen less interest from the PLA. Although it has been used as the basis for developing a carrier based fighter, ground based variants of the aircraft has long been speculated to be aimed at export markets capitalising on the fact that the higher end J-20 is reserved for domestic use only by the PLA. There is a significant possibility that China's armed forces will not acquire any of the aircraft other than variants modified for aircraft carrier operations.




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China has a history of producing fighters primarily for export, most notably the JF-17 series which are not in PLA service, as it currently has more fighter classes in production than any other country. The FC-31 is the only medium weight fifth generation fighter to have flown, and will complete with the lighter single engine American F-35 on foreign markets. The F-35 and J-20 are currently the only fifth generation fighters in the world in production and fielded at squadron level strength - highlighting Chinese and U.S. leadership in the field of combat aviation. This left the F-35 as the only fifth generation fighter offered for export, although the market is expected to become more competitive not only with the introduction of the FC-31, but also the Russian Su-57 heavyweight fighter which is expected to begin to see foreign sales around 2025. Russia is currently the only country to offer a heavyweight fifth generation fighter for export due in part to its smaller defence budget and greater need for foreign funding to support its programs.




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Alongside the FC-31 and F-35, Russia has also developed the S-75 Checkmate lightweight fighter which is expected to fly around 2025. Having flown 10-15 years earlier, however, and produced by a country with much greater experience developing and operating fifth generation fighters, the FC-31 will likely have an advantage. The Chinese fighter’s greater weight, however, while likely providing a superior performance, will also likely result in operational costs which are higher than the S-75 and possibly even than those of the F-35. It remains uncertain whether the FC-31 will see any foreign interest, with the F-35 and Su-57 potentially being more attractive because they are used in the U.S. and Russian air forces while their Chinese rival is not used in the PLA Air Force. The fighter's use in the PLA Navy, however, could do much to mitigate this - much like the American F-18E Super Hornet fourth generation fighter saw considerable interest for use in foreign air forces despite being used exclusively by the U.S. Navy domestically. The FC-31 represents the first medium or heavyweight fighter China has offered for export, with only the JF-17 and the lightweight J-10C previously having been offered abroad. Southeast Asia, the Arab world, and possibly Iran, are considered possible clients. A lightweight fifth generation fighter with a single engine configuration, possibly using the same engine that in twin configuration powers the FC-31, is reportedly also under development to serve as a successor to the JF-17 on export markets with the Pakistani Air Force expected to be its primary client.

 
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I came across this article which states that:

“A lightweight fifth generation fighter with a single engine configuration, possibly using the same engine that in twin configuration powers the FC-31, is reportedly also under development to serve as a successor to the JF-17 on export markets with the Pakistani Air Force expected to be its primary client.”

This is exciting if true. Welcome any additional insights on this.

Military Watch Magazine: 5th Gen Successor to JF-17
 
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I think PAF would prefer China to properly commit to this fighter before committing to it - Pakistan will not want to be the lead client on this and it will not want to procure until the PLAAF does .... PAF will want economies of scale on this platform before considering it. That is why the TFX is quite interesting to PAF - Turkey will commit to TFX big time - maybe more than China will to the FC-31 ... PAF got its fingers burned with the China on the JF17 when China pulled out of buying it - that act undermined a large portion of the business case for the JF17(China is at liberty to do what it wants etc ... ) but it meant Pakistan had to devote more financial resources to its design and build phase that it was originally planning to.. Lesson learned!!!!



To me - this is the most beautiful picture of the J20 ever !!! Looks like a proper snarling Dragon here !!!

FC-31 already secured commitment both from Navy and Air Force.

With Navy version called J-35, and Air Force version called J-21.

But, the Priority is for Navy Version at this moment. Because the Launching of China’s Next-Gen EMALS Super-Carrier (CVBG-18) is imminent. Only few months left.







J-35 (FC-31) Nice Wallpaper :enjoy:
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I came across this article which states that:

“A lightweight fifth generation fighter with a single engine configuration, possibly using the same engine that in twin configuration powers the FC-31, is reportedly also under development to serve as a successor to the JF-17 on export markets with the Pakistani Air Force expected to be its primary client.”

This is exciting if true. Welcome any additional insights on this.

Military Watch Magazine: 5th Gen Successor to JF-17

A stealthily lightweight fighter (100-120kn engine) could be very competitive, price wise at ~$40 million, in a market still flooded with 4 and 4.5 Gen fighters.

If it can hold at least 3-4 PL-15 in an internal bay and house WVR missiles in a pod similar to the SU-57, it would be very attractive to even NATO countries like Turkey, and maybe able to hold its own against other Fifth Gen fighters with the right C4ISR.
 
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JF17 when China pulled out of buying it
Bro I've seen this narrative before but that's not true. JF-17 (FC-1, Super 7) has always been a PAF-specific and PAC-led project to start with, involving CAC as original designer, Klimov on RD-93, and some European vendors like Martin Baker. It's unrelated with PLAAF, which has bet all money on flankers, J-10 & WS-10 turbofan.

J-35 (or FC-31) is slightly different, it's a PLAN-specific and SAC-led project from day one. But again, PLAAF is not in the picture, their money is vested heavy on J-10 as mainstay, they won't procure another non-WS-10-powered MMRCA, at least in the short run.

I guess PAF's next gen could be TFX, or a land-based variant of J-35 (or FC-31). You are right, if they are interested in the latter, they may wait till the bird getting IOC or FOC on PLAN's carriers, then make decision.
 
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By 2030 China will be targeting the 6th generation jet and J20 would easily be available, the benefit for paf would be that it will have chinese engine and would be more advanced. The J35 and Tfx is another option ofcourse.

J20 has a long body and is very suitable for the development of two seater J20. The two seater J20 is suitable for controlling loyal wingmen, J20 is likely to develop into a 5.5G fighter in the future.
I don't think PLAAF will allow the export of J20 in 2030.



Two seater J20 and dark arrow supersonic UAV have been born:
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Bro I've seen this narrative before but that's not true. JF-17 (FC-1, Super 7) has always been a PAF-specific and PAC-led project to start with, involving CAC as original designer, Klimov on RD-93, and some European vendors like Martin Baker. It's unrelated with PLAAF, which has bet all money on flankers, J-10 & WS-10 turbofan.

J-35 (or FC-31) is slightly different, it's a PLAN-specific and SAC-led project from day one. But again, PLAAF is not in the picture, their money is vested heavy on J-10 as mainstay, they won't procure another non-WS-10-powered MMRCA, at least in the short run.

I guess PAF's next gen could be TFX, or a land-based variant of J-35 (or FC-31). You are right, if they are interested in the latter, they may wait till the bird getting IOC or FOC on PLAN's carriers, then make decision.

The JF-17 probably also doesn’t fit into the PLAAF or PLANAF’s doctrine because the JF-17 is a relatively short legged aircraft with a lighter payload.

Just like how the J-10 has matured enough to match the Rafale, perhaps the PAF is waiting till the J-35 and/or T-FX match or exceed the F-35 (which could eventually be sold to India). The PAF always focuses on maintaining a qualitative edge when possible. In the meantime, a low observable Loyal wingman would be a project the PAF is focusing on, in the fighter arena beyond development of the JF-17 and acquisition of the J-10.
 
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PAF got its fingers burned with the China on the JF17 when China pulled out of buying it

China has never promised to buy JF17, that's a rumor.
JF17 is a good fighter, but China will not buy any light fighter.
The distance from Zengmu Misha, the southernmost island in China, to Haikou airport is 1800km, so light fighters are not suitable for China.
 
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