SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

[CHACHA"G"]

how good FC-31 is as a bomber ? Can we replace our Mirages with them for same role ?
(What if)PAF of Future FC-31(with some sort of tech or production line transform) + JF-17 + new heavy twine engine bird + TFX or J-20(to replace F-16s) …….. Total 4 , 1 light , 1 medium Stealth , 1 heavy and 1 medium to heavy Stealth

 

[monitor]

how good FC-31 is as a bomber ? Can we replace our Mirages with them for same role ?
(What if)PAF of Future FC-31(with some sort of tech or production line transform) + JF-17 + new heavy twine engine bird + TFX or J-20(to replace F-16s) …….. Total 4 , 1 light , 1 medium Stealth , 1 heavy and 1 medium to heavy Stealth

In twenty first century heavy weapons loads us not mandatory as you can hit your target with a single strike unlike 2 world war . ,FC-31 have a decent load of weapons which can work as mini bomber by sacrificing stealth. Future of PAF is JF-17 block III with F-16 continue to serve as long as possible . TFX is still far from reality.

 

[LKJ86]

F-22 will escort F-35
J-20 will escort J-31

Countries that only have the F-35 or J-31 will be left in the cold. Their capabilities will be halved as compared to both jets operated under the cover provided by Raptor or J-20.

I hope you get my point. If China truly cares about Pakistan's Security it will clear J-20s for sale too because only J-31s will put us at a disadvantage against IAF or other future adversaries

I understand what you mean.
It is really ambitious.

 

[Kompromat]

JF-17 is not relevant to the future battlefield. The survivability of fifth generation assets is paramount. The key selling point for F-35 among NATO states is that they can expect the US to deploy raptors in times of escalation, barred which the F-35/J-31 will see a massive reduction in capability and frankly not worth the price.

JF-17s in air defense alert configuration carry 2 BVRAAMs and 2 SRAAMs, PAF seems to be happy with this ADA configuration. Same config on J-31 seems adequate. For stealth fighters the tactic is supposed to be shoot while undetected and then exit the theater. If the aggressor numbers out number a stealth it is better to delay engagements till reinforcements arrive. For PAF this is feasible because of proximity of threat areas to bases. Secondly aircraft can be detected even before they are in Pakistan airspace so ground control/AWACs can provide better threat assessment. Pakistan doesnt have huge coverage areas where assets have to operate independently just as have to be done by USA, China and Russia.

Ideally PAF would like to only purchase the J-20 because we have limited funds to purchase and operate. Therefore we will prefer a solution that can not only fulfill all the roles but also increases the survivability of our 4th gen fleet.

I understand what you mean.
It is really ambitious.

 

[LKJ86]

Ideally PAF would like to only purchase the J-20 because we have limited funds to purchase and operate. Therefore we will prefer a solution that can not only fulfill all the roles but also increases the survivability of our 4th gen fleet.

Does Pakistan have any deadlines for its fifth-generation fighter project?
As we all know that, J-20 won't be exported in the near future for sure, due to the huge demand from PLAAF and PLAN.
Are there other viable options?

 

[Kompromat]

Does Pakistan have any deadlines for its fifth-generation fighter project?
As we all know that, J-20 won't be exported in the near future for sure, due to the huge demand from PLAAF and PLAN.
Are there other viable options?

The Govt has officially asked for J-20 during negotiations. However it remains a prerogative of the Chinese Govt to respond to the request.

If Beijing for one reason or another refuses to service our request, then we'll ask for a joint venture with CAC preferably under Project Azm to develop a fifth generation plus aircraft tailored to PAF requirements.

 

[sohail.ishaque]

A noob question...
Has it anything to do with S-400 deal ? And can it be a counter to it ?

 

[LKJ86]

The Govt has officially asked for J-20 during negotiations. However it remains a prerogative of the Chinese Govt to respond to the request.

Really? When?

 

[Kompromat]

Last year.

Really? When?

 

[LKJ86]

Last year.

Does Pakistan plan to buy some J-20s, not including its production line?

 

[Kompromat]

Yeah of course, even two squadrons will form the spearhead and do wonders for our airpower. We can replace F-16s and others with a smaller tactical fifth generation fighter.

Does Pakistan plan to buy some J-20s, not including its production line?

 

[LKJ86]

Yeah of course, even two squadrons will form the spearhead and do wonders for our airpower. We can replace F-16s and others with a smaller tactical fifth generation fighter.

Yep, it is affordable to Pakistan.
Besides, if China wants to help Russia for pushing India to buy Su-57, it is also a good choice to sell Pakistan some J-20s.

 

[Goku-kun]

Yep, it is affordable to Pakistan.
Besides, if China wants to help Russia for pushing India to buy Su-57, it is also a good choice to sell Pakistan some J-20s.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/3...-sell-48-high-end-military-drones-to-pakistan
any update on it? 48 wing loongs are being purchased by Pakistan with TOT?

 

[LKJ86]

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/3...-sell-48-high-end-military-drones-to-pakistan
any update on it? 48 wing loongs are being purchased by Pakistan with TOT?

It should need to be confirmed by Pakistani officials, and China never takes the initiative to do that.

 

[Kompromat]

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/3...-sell-48-high-end-military-drones-to-pakistan
any update on it? 48 wing loongs are being purchased by Pakistan with TOT?

Yeah, we'll get to hear about it. WL has been tested in Pakistan, one craft crashed too.