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Saab's Gripen Enters a New High-fly Zone
By Christopher P. Cavas, May 3, 2015

LINKOPING, Sweden — Saab's Gripen jet, for years often seen as an also-ran in international fighter competitions, is turning that reputation around.

The trajectory began to change in October by the finalization of a deal to sell 36 Gripen NG aircraft to Brazil and a 2015 Swedish government commitment to buy 60 JAS 39 Gripen Es and Fs.

"Our order backlog is at an all-time high," Ulf Nilsson, head of Saab aeronautics, told reporters here on a Saab-sponsored press tour.

The Brazilian choice of the New Generation (NG) Gripen was announced in December 2013, ending a years-long competition between Saab, Boeing's F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet and Dassault's Rafale to win the F-X2 fighter program. A contract finalizing the deal was signed in October for 28 single-seat Gripen NG and eight two-seat Gripen F aircraft.

The Brazilian deal, Nilsson said, was "a game changer. Before that, Gripen was an aircraft looking for a market. Now it's a market looking for Gripen. And we can see that in many ways — it's really changed with Brazil. It's more global. It's changed the way we communicate."

The F-X2 program got another boost with the April 14 announcement of a joint program management arrangement with Brazilian manufacturer Embraer, which will produce most of the aircraft in Brazil under a technology transfer agreement.

A weapons acquisition agreement with Brazil was announced April 24, but the Brazilian government has released no details, and Saab cannot comment.

The Brazilian deal — Saab's largest-ever Gripen export order — includes provisions for extensive technology transfers and industrial cooperation. And the agreement with Embraer to produce new aircraft in Brazil could have wider implications.

"We look at Embraer as another production line for Gripen," said Jerker Ahlqvist, Saab Gripen's vice president for business area aeronautics. Should more orders materialize, Gripens could be produced in Brazil for sale to other countries under joint venture agreements. Although, Nilsson pointed out, "we would have to apply Swedish export rules," which include prohibitions of weapon sales to certain countries.

And while Brazil has committed to buying 36 aircraft, "the requirement is for over 100 aircraft," Ahlqvist noted. "We believe they're looking at buying in three batches," although without another batch at least until after 2019.

Saab is actively marketing several versions of the Gripen and its combat systems. Gripen C and D can be purchased or leased. Some Cs and Ds are upgraded A and B models formerly used by the Swedish Air Force, while other aircraft are built new. All E, F and NG aircraft are new production models, and production of the first Swedish Air Force E models already has begun.

Weapons and sensors are controlled by Saab's Material System (MS) software packages, with the MS19 version installed on existing Cs and Ds. Starting this year, however, the MS20 upgrade is being offered, which includes the first operational capability of the highly-touted MBDA Meteor air-to-air missile. Qualifications trials were completed last year, and Saab executives proudly touted the Gripen as the first fighter to field the weapon.

"The addition of Meteor air-to-air capability makes Gripen the most formidable counter-air platform in service," Ahlqvist declared. The missile will become operational with Swedish Air Force Gripens in 2016.

And while a new active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar is being fielded with the E/F aircraft, Saab Defense Systems has developed a new Mark 4 version of its PS-05/A radar for the Cs and Ds.

The Mark 4 radar — discussed by Saab for the first time on April 27 — essentially doubles air-to-air and air-to-ground detection ranges, Ahlqvist said, and has improved abilities to detect very low-radar cross-section targets.

The system, he added, "offers significant functional growth through software upgrades, and offers full [advanced, medium-range, air-to-air missile] and Meteor missile integration." Impact on aircraft upgrading from Mark 3 radars to Mark 4 is "very small, an absolute minimum. You can easily switch between Mark 3 and Mark 4 configuration."

Seven air forces operate or are committed to operating Gripens, along with one British Gripen D test aircraft. The last of 75 Gripen Cs was delivered to the Swedish Air Force this year, and no further Cs or Ds are on order.

Current operators include:

• Sweden — 75 Cs, 25 Ds, with 60 Es and Fs on order

• South Africa — 17 Cs, 9 Ds

• Thailand — 8 Cs, 4 Ds

• Brazil — 36

• The Czech Republic — 12 Cs, 2 Ds

Hungary (12 Cs, 2 Ds) and the British test pilot school operate leased aircraft, and Slovakia has chosen the Gripen in a deal still being finalized.

And with commitments for at least 96 new aircraft, Saab is pushing for more Gripen sales. The company, Ahlqvist said, sees a worldwide market of 300 to 450 fighter aircraft over the next 20 years, excluding markets where Swedish regulations exclude Saab from competing — markets which include many of the air forces in the Arabian Gulf region. But, Ahlqvist noted, plenty of other markets are open.

In northern Europe, he said, "Finland is a very interesting country for us. They have a long process, we know that, but it's also quite encouraging, and we know what we can expect. We're looking to receive a request for information early next year, a request for proposal in 2018 and a contract somewhere around 2020."

The Finns, Ahlqvist said, are expected to ask for 40 to 60 aircraft, "and we see that Gripen has got a good chance in Finland." Competition is expected to include the F-35 joint strike fighter and the Eurofighter Typhoon.

A number of air forces in central and eastern Europe will need to replace aging Russian systems, he noted. "Recently, Croatia announced a program, quite a fast track, expected to name an aircraft next year to replace their MiG-21s." Bulgaria will need to replace its MiG-29s. "That will be quite a fierce competition with F-16s, but we believe there's a future for us there." Austria, Ahlqvist noted, will need to replace its Eurofighter T-1s, "but that is probably some years away." Saab is "not very active in Austria at the moment, he acknowledged, "but maybe in three or four years' time."

Saab also expects Switzerland to return to a fighter competition in a few years, despite the public rejection in 2014 of a fighter replacement program, which had chosen the Gripen. "We believe the Swiss will come back with new requests for proposals," he said.

The Asia-Pacific region is seen as an area with great potential for Gripen sales.

"We know Malaysia is interested, Ahlqvist said, "and Indonesia has started an F-5 replacement program. They want something as early as 2019. We know there's a tradition there to buy Russian, but the new president wants a transparent procurement process, and we believe we have a good chance there."

India, which chose Rafale over Gripen in the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft competition, remains "always of interest," Ahlqvist said. "We know there is something else needed. They're struggling with their Light Combat Aircraft [LCA] program, and should there be a requirement for something else, we are there with technological transfer and industrial cooperation."

The LCA program could involve 150 to 200 aircraft, he noted, "so it's very interesting to us. We are ready to do a very comprehensive program in India."

The company is keeping watch on the Philippines, Ahlqvist said. "We have had some questions from the Philippines, but there is no formal process ongoing. But we're keeping our ears to the ground."

Saab has "a strong relationship with South Africa," Ahlqvist noted, "and from that base we're monitoring what is happening in Africa. Botswana — "one of the fastest-growing economies in Africa" — is looking to replace its F-5 fighters within two to five years, he said. "Kenya has a strong interest in Gripen, but there is uncertainty there about when they could find the money for such a program."

Namibia, "has ambitions, they want to get rid of their Chinese aircraft and find something else. But again, uncertainty about where they would find the money, although recently they've found oil and gas. But we're probably talking five to 10 years before something happens there."

Saab would like to improve marketing opportunities in South America, particularly with its manufacturing partner Embraer.

"We know Colombia is going to replace their Kfir fleet, we've had questions from them," Ahlqvist said, adding that "it will be probably be about five years before they will need deliveries. But in many of those countries, interest starts and then it's withdrawn, so it's a little bit back and forth."

Brazil could also eventually decide to buy a carrier-capable version of the Gripen for its aircraft carrier, but Saab isn't expecting a decision any time soon.

"Sea Gripen is part of the technology transfer agreement with Brazil," Nilsson said, and a study will be done. "We're in early discussions for Sea Gripen, but we'll have to see where it goes. It will probably be about 2025 before the Brazilians decide what to do."

Saab's Gripen Enters a New High-fly Zone
 
Nice advert there! Too bad it's nothing more though.
That table of JAS- C/D owners is not credible for 100% transformation into E/Fs for one.
Two, the Brazilian deal will see delays for sure as it is a brand new adventure of which
none from ANY country has succeeded in holding its timeline in the last 2 decades!
Three, although technically on track, the Gripen-E is still a paper plane more or less with
its lone demonstrator in flight ( demo, not even first of line prototype, mind you ).

4th and 5th, both market evaluations, are even worst :
F-5 replacement is a perfect slot for the Uber-Gripen, that's for sure! However, many if not
most of the nations ready for it are actually looking at increasing their capabilities as well.
As such, the question of how much of an increase plays a big role. If potential customer X
wants to upgrade only, the JAS 39 E is a near perfect option packing immense punch but …
if the idea is to change bracket, m'well the sky is the limit and may then belong to Raffys or
either Ru 35s or the US one depending on political ties.
The best proof of the frailty of opportunities that I just outlined as fourth point lies in the Indian
assessment.
India, which chose Rafale over Gripen in the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft competition, remains "always of interest," Ahlqvist said. "We know there is something else needed. They're struggling with their Light Combat Aircraft [LCA] program, and should there be a requirement for something else, we are there with technological transfer and industrial cooperation."
That's bulls hit to the highest level! After the years of attempting and seeing that it is now meant
to replace lower tier aircrafts well within its range of performance, to even "wishful think" that Bharat
is going to buy Gripens to complement Tejas is beyond credulity down to pure unadulterated stupidity.
If the SAAB marketing scheme would drop pushing this sea serpent around, while its prospective
numbers would fall, its credibility would rise by twice as much.

Last but not least, the Sea Gripen hype has got to be toned down. Yes, SAAB is supposed to "navalize"
the E for the Brazilian offer but … by the time this happens as it is far more complex than advertised,
Brazil will be in need of a carrier!!! The Sao Paulo is 55 years old, older than me! If it had seen refurb in
full when it was bought and active for the last 15 years, things would already be tight on schedule for the
Gripen NG to be available in the next 10 years before the carrier runs out of operational service life.
As things stand with the Sao Paulo having been overhauled late and the fire of 2012 and even with the
2013 catapult refurbish, it is still at the bare bone limit of IOC much less FOC which is why another overhaul
is contemplated to make it last until 2039.
Brazil seeking to modernise Sao Paulo aircraft carrier, extend life to 2039 - IHS Jane's 360
Any problems with this, any program delay which the past warrants to be foreseen, will make the integration of
a Sea Gripen short lived ( around a decade ) unless a new vessel is acquired. You'd need to be an exceptional
analyst with loads of secret infos to predict a year for practical introduction of a marine version of the JAS 39 if
based on that alone.

For all the reasons above, this piece is flagrant self-promotion at best.
There is a place for the Gripen NG for certain, I'm not saying otherwise. But it doesn't fit this article by miles!
Small European nations are still the most likely prospective acquirers but under lease more than outright sales.

Good day Indus Falcon and all, Tay.
 
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Saab reveals enhanced radar for Gripen C/D fighter
Gareth Jennings, Linköping - IHS Jane's International Defence Review
29 April 2015

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The Gripen C/D's PS-05/A radar has been given a number of 'back-end' changes that will more than double its performance by 2017. Source: Saab

Saab has revealed a new variant of the PS-05/A radar for the Gripen C/D fighter aircraft that the company claims more than doubles the detection performance of the current system, the company told reporters at its Linkoping site on 27 April.

The upgraded radar, designated PS-05/A Mk4, features a new hardware and software, with the primary changes being in the system's 'back end'. A mechanically scanned radar, the Mk4 will offer a 150% increase in high-altitude air-to-air detection ranges over the current Mk3 radar by the time development is complete in 2017.

As well as enhancing the detection distance, the Mk4 radar will be able to detect and track smaller targets at the same ranges. While at high altitude the in-service Mk3 radar can detect a target with a radar cross-section (RCS) of approximately 0.4 m 2 (the size of a medium-altitude, long-endurance unmanned aircraft) at a distance of 'X', at the same range the Mk4 system will be able to see a target with an RCS of 0.1 m 2 (the approximate size of an air-to-air missile or 'stealth' aircraft').

In the air-to-air mode at low altitude, the Mk4 will provide a 140% improvement over current capabilities by 2017. These air-to-air modes have been implemented and demonstrated, the company said.

In addition to improving detection ranges, the Mk4 will allow for the full integration of modern weapon systems, such as the Raytheon Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) C-7, the Raytheon AIM-9X Sidewinder, and the MBDA Meteor beyond-visual-range missile.

Jan Qvillberg, head of product area fighter radar and datalink at Saab's Airborne Surveillance Systems/Electronic Defence Systems, said the internally funded project has yet to be taken up by any current Gripen operators. He noted it will probably require a commitment from the Swedish Air Force before any other customers take it up.

While the radar is compatible with other aircraft types (including fighters, trainers, and unmanned aerial vehicles), Qvillberg said the company currently has no plans to integrate it onto any type beyond the Gripen C/D.
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Saab reveals enhanced radar for Gripen C/D fighter - IHS Jane's 360
 
Yeah, read about it in AviationWeek!
Gripen Radar Upgrade Aimed At Sweden And Exports | Defense content from Aviation Week
The reason for that Mk4 upgrade is that the AESA is now given
as tentatively ready in 2017 ++ or 2019 induction with AtoA functions only.

Or, if you prefer, in Sweden itself, if all goes well, the FOC for the first full E squadron is given as :
... Sverige från och med 2023 och minst 20 år framåt.
Sverige köper nya Super-Jas | Inrikes | SvD

Super_JAS will be super_late for the present market or just on time to face the F-35! :o:

Let's hope for them no delays spring up in the meanwhile!
Good evening mate, Tay.
 
Lets not forget how Saab got the Brazil contract. The Brazilian Air Force was looking for new planes. And in the end there were 2 contenders the F/A-18 Super Hornet and the JAS-39 Gripen. The Super Hornets were at the front and the Brazilians would have bought the Super Hornet if it wasn't for the Snowden revelations that revealed that the US has been spying on Brazil on a large scale. Angered at the Americans they bought the Gripen.
 
@Taygibay What do you make of the news - Austrians interested in Gripen replacing their Eurofiighters? Besides the "new contract, more pockets being lined" angle, couldn't figure out why?
 
Congrats to Saab for their Grippen product. We are hoping same for PAC to secure future deals for:
Super Mushak
K-8 from PAC side with EU avionics and engines
JF-17s Block-II
UAVs
and other equipment
 
What do you make of the news - Austrians interested in Gripen replacing their Eurofiighters? Besides the "new contract, more pockets being lined" angle, couldn't figure out why?
Well, there are two aspects to this IMHoO, IFalcon.
One is found in the mishaps of the EF :
New Eurofighter flaws, Austria wants pull-out | AIRheads↑FLY
The flaws by themselves are not unfixable but the complexity of a 4 members consortium with
varying thoughts on the present and post-Typhie possession sides of ownership heighten under-
tainties. The disappearance of Tranche 3B should have cleared some funds to implement fixes &
it in fact did except that there is no consensus on what needs to be tackled first. The Brits want
one thing, the Italians another, and up to a point, the Germans don't care all that much.
As a small client, Austria cannot impose its will or needs on the bunch and is dependent on their
decisions.

But the second point is indeed about Austrian will per say. In the present state of things, Vienna is
hard pressed to justify the possession of these uber-fighters. Check this piece for instance :
Austria Has No Business Flying These High-Performance Fighters — War Is Boring — Medium
This points out o a growing number of nations that can barely provide rationale for owning a fleet
of modern fighters at all. Switzerland is in that case too. Considering the size of their airspace, they
could reasonably assess an air defense made solely of missile interceptors to be sufficient. The only
reason for jets is to do air policing as in chasing stray or unresponsive airliners and even then, those
will often have left their territory before being caught!
This becomes a political perspective. Do you want to spend billions for so little? Is it possible to make
do otherwise, say by investing in a sharing and polling format structure and if so, which? Does one
trust NATO ( for these small Euro nations ) or do they favor a European Defence? If the latter, since
the continental defense integration is still far off at best and a pious wish more likely, they'd need to
keep a fleet in the meanwhile albeit a nearly useless one? In that case, why not restrict spending to a
minimum until a global choice can be had?
Those nations with wider scope or political ambitions beyond Europe itself don't have a choice. They
have to have a fighter force! There the question is one of fitting together and most have chosen to be
part of the Lighting II brigade even though they may hide their intentions for now or just be scared by
the JSF program mishaps.

So there you have the Austrian conundrum :
If they intend to play an intra-European role only, either Typhoon or Gripen would do and the latter is
much less costly for quite sufficient performance. The former's prowesses are balanced by its woes.
If they want to play a NATO-based intra-European role, the best bet would be the F-35 but there too,
delays and imprecisions rule at the moment.
If they want neither and are content with a secondary role pin the world affairs, SAMP/T is enough!

The intermediate solution is to trade the Typhoons for Gripen, save cash now and decide later …
which would explain what is being heard around?

Good day buddy, Tay.
 
Well, there are two aspects to this IMHoO, IFalcon.
One is found in the mishaps of the EF :
New Eurofighter flaws, Austria wants pull-out | AIRheads↑FLY
The flaws by themselves are not unfixable but the complexity of a 4 members consortium with
varying thoughts on the present and post-Typhie possession sides of ownership heighten under-
tainties. The disappearance of Tranche 3B should have cleared some funds to implement fixes &
it in fact did except that there is no consensus on what needs to be tackled first. The Brits want
one thing, the Italians another, and up to a point, the Germans don't care all that much.
As a small client, Austria cannot impose its will or needs on the bunch and is dependent on their
decisions.

But the second point is indeed about Austrian will per say. In the present state of things, Vienna is
hard pressed to justify the possession of these uber-fighters. Check this piece for instance :
Austria Has No Business Flying These High-Performance Fighters — War Is Boring — Medium
This points out o a growing number of nations that can barely provide rationale for owning a fleet
of modern fighters at all. Switzerland is in that case too. Considering the size of their airspace, they
could reasonably assess an air defense made solely of missile interceptors to be sufficient. The only
reason for jets is to do air policing as in chasing stray or unresponsive airliners and even then, those
will often have left their territory before being caught!
This becomes a political perspective. Do you want to spend billions for so little? Is it possible to make
do otherwise, say by investing in a sharing and polling format structure and if so, which? Does one
trust NATO ( for these small Euro nations ) or do they favor a European Defence? If the latter, since
the continental defense integration is still far off at best and a pious wish more likely, they'd need to
keep a fleet in the meanwhile albeit a nearly useless one? In that case, why not restrict spending to a
minimum until a global choice can be had?
Those nations with wider scope or political ambitions beyond Europe itself don't have a choice. They
have to have a fighter force! There the question is one of fitting together and most have chosen to be
part of the Lighting II brigade even though they may hide their intentions for now or just be scared by
the JSF program mishaps.

So there you have the Austrian conundrum :
If they intend to play an intra-European role only, either Typhoon or Gripen would do and the latter is
much less costly for quite sufficient performance. The former's prowesses are balanced by its woes.
If they want to play a NATO-based intra-European role, the best bet would be the F-35 but there too,
delays and imprecisions rule at the moment.
If they want neither and are content with a secondary role pin the world affairs, SAMP/T is enough!

The intermediate solution is to trade the Typhoons for Gripen, save cash now and decide later …
which would explain what is being heard around?

Good day buddy, Tay.
You have opened my eyes:woot: :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/yo...witzerland-before-business-hours-912bd26b7abc
Thanks buddy :cheers:
 
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I'm glad that I was able to be of assistance, my friend!

Take care, Tay.

On a serious note. The Article you mentioned says the Gripen's cost per flying hour is $5k. Is this for the A/B or C/D?

Secondly, what do you think would be the flying cost per hour for the E/F?

Thirdly, how would you compare the Griffins radar PS-05A/ Mk4 to SABR?
 
5k would be an optimum figure for the C/D in Sweden where the small fleet and highly competent
techs work in unison. In fact, that is part of why these things are not really important since a figure
given say in France for a Rafale will change drastically once it gets deployed in A-stan or the Sahara.

I really could not venture an answer for the Typhie. Think back to the above and apply it in declined
variants. The Spaniards and Italians are still using their older fighters ( F-18 / Tornados - Harriers )
and their Eurofighters only do air policing if that in Spain. The Germans are barely using theirs since
the cracks were discovered. The UK however makes full use of theirs with their PE-2 upgrade very
near and PE-3 already underway for 2017. The RAF employs Typhies to hunt Russians and is training
its pilots to be mud-movers soon, in what is the closest to multi-role use of the four partner nations.
Logically, if we could get a Brit value of the cost per hour, it would be the highest end, more expansive.
Even then it matters to know what is included. If all programs costs are computed, you get ridiculous
results : House of Commons - Defence Committee: Written evidence from Francis Tusa
This report for parliament in the UK from 2011 says 70 to 90 thousand british pounds per hour … :crazy:
If someone else computes fuel only, it can be as low as the Gripen one from above.
Don't fret too much over these values, man!

SABR is AESA so it has more development possibilities.
The Mk4 is to wait for the ES-05 and then we can compare!

Read you later, Tay.
 
5k would be an optimum figure for the C/D in Sweden where the small fleet and highly competent
techs work in unison. In fact, that is part of why these things are not really important since a figure
given say in France for a Rafale will change drastically once it gets deployed in A-stan or the Sahara.

I really could not venture an answer for the Typhie. Think back to the above and apply it in declined
variants. The Spaniards and Italians are still using their older fighters ( F-18 / Tornados - Harriers )
and their Eurofighters only do air policing if that in Spain. The Germans are barely using theirs since
the cracks were discovered. The UK however makes full use of theirs with their PE-2 upgrade very
near and PE-3 already underway for 2017. The RAF employs Typhies to hunt Russians and is training
its pilots to be mud-movers soon, in what is the closest to multi-role use of the four partner nations.
Logically, if we could get a Brit value of the cost per hour, it would be the highest end, more expansive.
Even then it matters to know what is included. If all programs costs are computed, you get ridiculous
results : House of Commons - Defence Committee: Written evidence from Francis Tusa
This report for parliament in the UK from 2011 says 70 to 90 thousand british pounds per hour … :crazy:
If someone else computes fuel only, it can be as low as the Gripen one from above.
Don't fret too much over these values, man!

SABR is AESA so it has more development possibilities.
The Mk4 is to wait for the ES-05 and then we can compare!

Read you later, Tay.

Dear Tay, Thank you for your valubale input.

When I said E/F, I meant the Gripen NG. Nonetheless your post was very clear. Got it!! :cheers:
 
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