Saab-2000 plane incorporated in PAF fleet

[jalip]

IT tower with no electricity hahhahahha in lahore more then 15 software houses were closed due to no electricity and security thousand of factories were closed Saven star Hahahaha

 

[Sapper]

Please don't politicize this thread. I you feel hell bent on discussing politics, go to some political forum and enlighten peoples' mind there.

This forum is related to Discussing the Defense of our Motherland ... stick to it.

Regards,
Sapper

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Sir jee are u living in dreams do you wants bloody revolution in this country do you know the meaning for proper development ppp is corrupt( and i hate them ) but by building 7 star hotels when u cant even save seri lankan team, cant even secure one capital city how u gona get foreigners cant even give basic food to people u wants saven star and next day some body explode him self in it along with hundreds of people oh bahi first build social economics infrastructure then talk about 7 stars or five stars how may poor uneducated people gona get employment in your these fancy projects
what u want current CAS to do please explain go on shoping spree with empty pocket.
even in village people cant even get the food those who dont have land they buy from market with 2000 Rs income per month Musharaf has changed the fabric of whole society in cities poor women were force to incline towards prostitution thats the fact mate. come out of you defence house look at the poors.with this thinking pakistan ka Allah hi hafiz

Looks like confused 13 year old kid just entered net cafe and hit the keyboard with the weirdest thing i have ever heard.
but look man, this is not a political forum so i am not gonna comment on on that.
i have more suspension about him being a "indian agent" then him calling other pure pakistani members names like that.

 

[jalip]

Looks like confused 13 year old kid just entered net cafe and hit the keyboard with the weirdest thing i have ever heard.
but look man, this is not a political forum so i am not gonna comment on on that.
i have more suspension about him being a "indian agent" then him calling other pure pakistani members names like that.

Just a last comment sory for being of topic
You went off topic first i am just expressing what i think what you were saying was perfect what i said was childish at lest you should have explain reason of me being 13 years he called CAS corrupt so he is rightgood backing up
I am doing PHD at unversity of essex in economics development so that was my topic cant stop my self

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Just a last comment sory for being of topic
You went off topic first i am just expressing what i think what you were saying was perfect what i said was childish at lest you should have explain reason of me being 13 years he called CAS corrupt so he is rightgood backing up
I am doing PHD at unversity of essex in economics development so that was my topic cant stop my self

sorry bro... but your last reply really pissed me off...
as for the cheif... this chief is picked by zardari and so is the naval whose brother is a minister for PPP government. when ever ACM speaks he speaks in favor of this current gov (he could rather chose to be more quite about it like COAS). when he went to US for first batch of block 52 ceremony he gave so so much creidet to this government and Pak ambassador to US and did not even mentioned former Air chief's name who was mostly responsible for this deal. not to forget during tanvir's tenure PAF finalized F-16 Erieye ZDK-03 SPADA long range ground base radars etc... calling AIR Chief puppet does not mean we hate PAF.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Sir it is new Air defense system for PAF

Have a read.

SPADA 2000, air defence system, missile, air missile - MBDA

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[blain2]

nope. this is just your opinion about this CAS.
IMO CAS and NCS are both mr-10% puppets unlike the COAS. current CAS deserves no appreciation because former CAS tanvir is the man who pursued these deals. current CAS is responsible for ZERO new acquisition for PAF because like i said before, all the planning and dealing were done 2-5 years ago. Its like.... at the end of completion of Pakistan's mega projects such as the Mubarak, Grand Hyatt, Centaurus, IT Tower PPP government is given appreciation for developing this nation? simply F nooo! even though im not a fan of mush but he was the man who brought foreigner investments not the gardari government.

I think its a matter of flawed perception about the current chief. Like all other chiefs, in Pakistan, no chief of a service is a yes man specially when the leadership is civilian (this is unfortunate to a degree, but also a fact).

Now coming back to the issue on hand, you have to look at the appointments of an officer before he becomes the CAS. You stated "current CAS deserves no appreciation because former CAS tanvir is the man who pursued these deals."

This is not true. The current CAS was DCAS - Ops. This is the singular most important post in the PAF aside from leading regional air commands and that of the CAS of course. The entire job of the DCAS - Ops (who happened to be the current chief) is to look at PAF's operational readiness and oversee all of the capabilities enhancements and acquisitions. Its not the CAS' job to oversee what is happening with each and every activity but that of the DCAS - Ops to keep track of, and to ensure that the CAS is in the loop with regards to what is important etc. The current CAS, as the DCAS-Ops had involvement and oversight over every single acquisition that is bearing fruition right now. Discounting his efforts and that of his team is a mistake. You can imagine what all has gone on in the past 3 years during which the current CAS was the DCAS-Ops. I am actually very happy that a person from the Ops branch is getting to lead the PAF because they are the closest to all of the operational aspects concerning the force and can take timely and decisive decisions once they become CAS on the basis of their knowledge gained while they were in the DCAS-Ops appointment.

Secondly, the current CAS is an excellent Mirage Pilot as well having been an instructor at the Combat Commander's School. Making an instructor at the CCS is no mean feat and I think I would not be wrong in stating that at any given time, the faculty at the CCS comprise the best fighter pilots in the PAF. Only the best graduates of the CCS are offered the instructor slots. So this in itself is a validation of the professionalism of the current CAS. To put a bit of context, aside from former CAS ACM Hakimullah (who happened to be the founder of CCS), no other recent CAS has been an instructor at the CCS. This is a pretty impressive thing.

So all in all, do not discount people as puppets of this person or that just on the basis of the way they look or act. The current CAS does not have a very imposing personality, but he is a solid professional who will do well for the PAF inshallah.

 

[junaid1]

Pakistan Air Force (PAF) took a major step forward in transforming itself into a modern force by inducting the first Saab-2000 Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) Aircraft into its fleet.

The ERIEYE radar system mounted on a turboprop aircraft will enable the PAF to detect all aircraft taking off from and landing at all forward Indian airbases adjacent to Pakistan and also to identify the type of aircraft, their weapons systems, vector and altitude.

The radar capabilities and range of the system enable the operator to receive an early warning in case of pre-emptive attacks from across the border.

Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman was the chief guest at the induction ceremony at PAF’s Minhas Airbase in Kamra. The ceremony was attended by the Swedish ambassador.

Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar said PAF’s long-standing requirement for airborne early warning capability had been met with the induction of the Swedish surveillance system which would make air defence more effective and bring about a major change in its operational concept and employment.

With the induction of the AEW&C aircraft, the PAF has become one of a few forces in the world to have an airborne early warning and control capability.

The air chief assured the nation that the PAF would not spare any effort to make the defence of the country impregnable.

The induction of Saab-2000, he said, would help counter any threat to the country’s sovereignty.

Talking to reporters after the ceremony, he said the aircraft had the capability to detect anything moving in the air, including drones.

He said the PAF would get three more AEW&C aircraft in 2010 under a $866 million deal.

He said Pakistan would also start receiving four IL-76 AEW&C aircraft from China in 2011.

He said negotiations were under way with China for J-10 fighter jets.

He said Pakistan would get 18 Block-52 F-16s from the US by July 2010 and ground to air missiles from Italy by the end of the year.

He said the first squadron of JF-17 Thunder planes would be operational by June.

Swedish Ambassador Ulrika Sundberg said the ERIEYE offered solutions to secure timely flows of information and protect infrastructure. She said Saab’s was one of the most advanced surveillance systems in the world and could serve both military and civilian purposes.

The system could be a force enabler as well as multiplier in efforts to ensure
security and stability, she said.

“It is the result of very innovative thinking by both parties on how surveillance systems can contribute to enhancing overall human security, not only in Pakistan and the region, but also worldwide.”

She praised the professional insight of PAF officers involved in the project and the valuable inputs given by them towards the development of the system.

Saab’s Executive Vice-President Dan Ake Enstedt and the Chief Project Director of project Horizon, Air Commodore Perci Edul Virjee, also spoke.

The aircraft was placed on display on the occasion.

Source : Dawn news

 

[blain2]

sorry bro... but your last reply really pissed me off...
as for the cheif... this chief is picked by zardari and so is the naval whose brother is a minister for PPP government. when ever ACM speaks he speaks in favor of this current gov (he could rather chose to be more quite about it like COAS). when he went to US for first batch of block 52 ceremony he gave so so much creidet to this government and Pak ambassador to US and did not even mentioned former Air chief's name who was mostly responsible for this deal. not to forget during tanvir's tenure PAF finalized F-16 Erieye ZDK-03 SPADA long range ground base radars etc... calling AIR Chief puppet does not mean we hate PAF.

I think you would agree when you are overseas, you play the part of Pakistan and give credit to the GoP. That is just how things should be. If there are disagreements then you do not bring them out in the public. As much as people will dislike my saying this, the current ambassador has done quite a bit pushing for the F-16s at the Hill. As to the points about what got done in the previous CAS' time, I think I made a similar point about what the CAS does and what his DCAS - Ops does. I agree that had the name of the former CAS been mentioned, it would have been good but I am sure some mention was made of him because none of us got to hear the entire speech of the CAS Rao Qamar where he must have talked about all that went on with the negotiations etc.

Secondly, for the well being of the state and democracy, the chiefs should talk well of the government whenever they are outside or inside of Pakistan. This is something that we must agree upon. Differences between armed forces and the govt of the day should be left to deal on the inside.

You do not want your chiefs of services saying negative things about their own governments when outside of the country. This a big no-no. This is the kind of stuff that gives Pakistan the impression of being a banana republic where every person is a chaudhry over his own domain. Our services chiefs and officers are very much aware of this issue and are very careful when outside of Pakistan.

I personally think that the CAS did the right thing praising the ambassador for the work. He could have mentioned at least 5 other names that I can think of in connection with the F-16 purchase, but he left those out and its fine.

The current PAF chief is doing a good job. He has been very forthcoming in supporting the Army in all of their offensives to date. PAF has not held back anything. This in itself is a very big indication of the inclinations of the current chief.

 

[jalip]

I think you would agree when you are overseas, you play the part of Pakistan and give credit to the GoP. That is just how things should be. If there are disagreements then you do not bring them out in the public. As much as people will dislike my saying this, the current ambassador has done quite a bit pushing for the F-16s at the Hill. As to the points about what got done in the previous CAS' time, I think I made a similar point about what the CAS does and what his DCAS - Ops does. I agree that had the name of the former CAS been mentioned, it would have been good but I am sure some mention was made of him because none of us got to hear the entire speech of the CAS Rao Qamar where he must have talked about all that went on with the negotiations etc.

Secondly, for the well being of the state and democracy, the chiefs should talk well of the government whenever they are outside or inside of Pakistan. This is something that we must agree upon. Differences between armed forces and the govt of the day should be left to deal on the inside.

You do not want your chiefs of services saying negative things about their own governments when outside of the country. This a big no-no. This is the kind of stuff that gives Pakistan the impression of being a banana republic where every person is a chaudhry over his own domain. Our services chiefs and officers are very much aware of this issue and are very careful when outside of Pakistan.

I personally think that the CAS did the right thing praising the ambassador for the work. He could have mentioned at least 5 other names that I can think of in connection with the F-16 purchase, but he left those out and its fine.

The current PAF chief is doing a good job. He has been very forthcoming in supporting the Army in all of their offensives to date. PAF has not held back anything. This in itself is a very big indication of the inclinations of the current chief.

perfect answer sir

 

[eagle20054]

 

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[fatman17]

the appointments of the CAS/CNS are not that 'critical' from the 'political-angle' as compared to the CoAS. the former appointments are 'generally' made on merit (with a few exceptions like CNS involved in agosta kick-backs and ACM A/Shamim involved in possible kickbacks in the Mirage2K aborted deal). the CoAS as head of a 5 lac strong army has been a 'power-broker' ever since the time of independence. Gen.Kiyani like Gen A/Nawaz, Gen W/Kakar, Gen J/Karamat are/have tried to keep the army 'out-of-politics' but unfortunately our politicians have foot-in-mouth-disease (AZ,NS esp) and are un-necessarily trying to create a situation which is becoming very difficult for the army top brass and it goes to the credit of Gen.Kiyani to keep a 'low profile' and concentrate on the job at hand, the ops in SWA,Orakzai and Khyber. any sane person would realise that the army's plate is 'full' and they cannot afford any 'adventurism' of any kind, unless directed by the CJ/SC under the constitution to 'assist the SC in implementation of its directives'

 

[Myth_buster_1]

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Sir jee are u living in dreams do you wants bloody revolution in this country do you know the meaning for proper development ppp is corrupt( and i hate them ) but by building 7 star hotels when u cant even save seri lankan team, cant even secure one capital city how u gona get foreigners cant even give basic food to people u wants saven star and next day some body explode him self in it along with hundreds of people oh bahi first build social economics infrastructure then talk about 7 stars or five stars how may poor uneducated people gona get employment in your these fancy projects
what u want current CAS to do please explain go on shoping spree with empty pocket.
even in village people cant even get the food those who dont have land they buy from market with 2000 Rs income per month Musharaf has changed the fabric of whole society in cities poor women were force to incline towards prostitution thats the fact mate. come out of you defence house look at the poors.with this thinking pakistan ka Allah hi hafiz

this is a defence forum.......

every nation has a national budget

every country has defence requirements

i appreciate your ideas.....work for an NGO, give lectures, make a documentary, do whatever you have to do. But don't say that we shouldnt improve our capabilities, in the face of new threats and new challenges.