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Currently in the blueprint stage, the S-500 is a Russian surface-to-air missile system that, if developed, will be able to track and destroy ballistic missiles with ranges of up to 3,500 kilometers. At present, however, reports indicate that Russia has not yet started building the S-500, apparently due to a lack of funds.(1)



In June 2000, Secretary of Defense William Cohen and Rep. Curt Weldon (R-PA), Chair of the House Armed Services Committee’s Military Research and Development Subcommittee, led a U.S. delegation to Moscow to meet with Russian Deputy Defense Minister Nikolai Mikhailov and several top-ranking Russian generals. In a series of discussions, two new Russian surface-to-air missile systems were mentioned: the S-400 (NATO: SA-20 Triumf), then still under development, and the S-500, which existed solely on paper.(2)



According to Mikhailov, Russia had completed theoretical calculations on the S-500 and, if deployed, the system would outperform the S-400 as well as the U.S. Patriot Advanced Capability-3 system. Mikhailov acknowledged, however, that Moscow lacked the financial resources to complete the project. Seizing the opportunity, Weldon suggested to Mikhailov that the U.S. and Russia create a joint missile defense system, one that would incorporate S-500 technology, U.S. funding, and the strategic expertise of both nations.(3) Mikhailov seemed intrigued by the idea, but refused to offer any more specifics about the S-500.(4)



After the U.S. delegation returned to Washington and Rep. Weldon reported his findings to the House Armed Services Committee, naysayers immediately argued that Moscow would use U.S. taxpayer dollars to fund its military experiments, which were in direct violation of the 1972 ABM Treaty (still in existence at the time).(5) If indeed the S-500 had been developed and it had lived up to Russians expectations, as described, it would have violated the ABM Treaty’s 1997 demarcation agreements, which allowed for only short range or “tactical” anti-ballistic missile systems.(6) At the time, the S-400 and its upgraded version, the Antey-2500, were barely below the demarcation threshold. The Russians claimed that the S-500 would outperform S-400 by a wide margin.(7)



Nevertheless, the Pentagon began examining options for a joint missile defense system, one that would strengthen political, military, and economic ties between the two nations.(8) Jacques Gansler, Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics, attempted to quell dissent by stating that such a collaborative system would not replace U.S. efforts to build its own national missile defense system. As Gansler put it, the S-500 would be a “compliment to our systems, rather than a replacement.”(9) Many missile defense proponents in the U.S. understood that such a collaboration would encourage both nations to move away from the archaic 1972 ABM Treaty.



Moscow ended the debate in early 2001 by rejecting the U.S. proposal for cooperation.(10) In April 2001, however, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced the future exportation of the S-500 to Europe and elsewhere in order to counter U.S. efforts to build a NATO-wide missile defense network.(11)



Addressing the House Armed Services Committee in July 2001, Rep. Weldon expressed his dissatisfaction with the Russian Defense Ministry. According to Weldon, the Russians had attempted to cover up the fact that its S-500 plans were in open violation of the ABM Treaty: “Nobody is involved with Russia as much as I am, but I can tell you, there are people in the Russian Defense Ministry I don’t trust. . . . There’s a pattern here of deliberate attempts to mislead America and the allies on what Russia’s ultimate plans are.” Weldon stressed that the U.S. needed to stick to President Ronald Reagan’s theory of “trust, but verify.”(12)



Nevertheless, Weldon and others continued to push for a joint U.S.-Russian system incorporating the S-500 design. In May 2004, two years after the U.S. withdrew from the ABM Treaty, the Congressman traveled to Moscow and reiterated his offer: “You designed . . . the S-500 system but lack money. We can build it together.” Weldon emphasized that such a system would protect both the U.S. and Russia from the growing threat of weapons of mass destruction from Asia, the Middle East, and elsewhere.(13) At present, however, there is no evidence that Russia plans to collaborate with the U.S. on the S-500.

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Well moscow, I don't think India is interested in this system. As ABM system is under development in India. For long range SAM's there is Barak 8 (India and Israel working on that). For medium range SAM's Akash is under production and new version with >40 km is under development. For short range SAM's Spyder system is ordered as stop gap measures apart from existing tunguska and igla systems. The deal between MBDA ans DRDO has to be signed for developing Maitri.

Hence quite a list here. But who knows how the things move in future.
 
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sir moscow,

even if India is interested - i am not sure if Russia will be interested in it, and
if Russia have money to indulge in it with 50% or India have money. as they have lot of projects running already.Barak 8 which will be long range abm. and maitri which was signed in 2007 with mbda.
 
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Well moscow, I don't think India is interested in this system. As ABM system is under development in India. For long range SAM's there is Barak 8 (India and Israel working on that). For medium range SAM's Akash is under production and new version with >40 km is under development. For short range SAM's Spyder system is ordered as stop gap measures apart from existing tunguska and igla systems. The deal between MBDA ans DRDO has to be signed for developing Maitri.

Hence quite a list here. But who knows how the things move in future.



sir maybe the india might encourage its new private defence establishments to invest some money on this. as you can see russia is very sort of funds ,if some funds are made available it can come up with really good stuff. also jv on this might be a money minting machine for futher exports to other countries.

thanx
 
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Barak 8 is not a primarily ABM system. Its a LRSAM (80kms) for standoff and cruise missiles. ABM capability might be present for SRBM's maybe, certainly not long ranged ones.

The ABM system is separate from the Barak-8 system and its being developed.
 
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sir maybe the india might encourage its new private defence establishments to invest some money on this. as you can see russia is very sort of funds ,if some funds are made available it can come up with really good stuff. also jv on this might be a money minting machine for futher exports to other countries.

thanx

Agree on this arena may be redundancy measure this project can be started. But as I said already I have no damn idea how the things are moving in this direction.
 
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moscow just check this, there might be some cooperation going on

DRDO schedules another missile defence test next month

DRDO to test missile defence in Feb

New Delhi, Jan 23: Aiming to get a shield against missile over its skies, India will conduct another test of its Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) next month.

"Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) will conduct the test of its interceptor missile and missile tracking radars next month for validating the advancements made in the Air Defence programme," Defence Ministry sources told reporters here today.

Though the interceptor missiles, namely Prithvi Air Defence (PAD) and Advanced Air Defence (AAD), have been tested earlier, the main aim of the next month's test would be to validate the capabilities of the indigenously developed 'Swordfish' Long Range Tracking Radar (LRTR).

Swordfish is a target acquisition and fire control radar for the BMD system.

"The missile to be hit will be fired from a longer distance than it was in the earlier test. DRDO will test whether the radar can track the incoming missile from that distance or not," they said.

In next month's test, the exo-atmospheric interceptor missile PAD will hit its target in space at an altitude over 80 km from earth, sources said.

They said the premier defence research agency will carry out another test around the year end to enhance the capabilities of AAD endo-atmospheric missile, which is used for intercepting missiles at altitudes up to 15 km.

Sources said if the tests prove successful, the DRDO will go ahead with the deployment of the BMD by 2015.

When contacted, DRDO Air Defence programme Director V K Saraswat said that the AD programme was at a "fairly advanced stage" now.

"The building blocks of BMD such as the surveillance, tracking and battlefield management systems have been developed," he said.

Saraswat said the DRDO has developed a very robust command and control system for the AD programme, which can "survive and deliver" in any environment.

"Our command, control and communication system can work in a networked form and survive and deliver even in a high electronic warfare (EW) environment," he said.

He said India was always open for cooperation developing technologies for the programme with friendly foreign countries, but said the country would "not buy" any ready-made BMD systems from any country.

"We have done some thinking on cooperation with countries such as Russia, United States and Israel in this programme and we have taken their help also in developing some of the technologies such as the 'Swordfish' radar for the BMD with Israel but we will not buy anything ready-made from outside," Saraswat said.
 
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