Ruussia , India agree FGFA preliminary design

[third eye]

Russia, India Agree FGFA Preliminary Design | Aviation & Air Force News at DefenceTalk

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Russian and Indian engineers have completed the preliminary design for the export version of the fifth generation fighter jet – the PAK-FA, announced Andrey Marshankin, Regional Director for International Cooperation of the United Aircraft Corporation.

“At the moment, together with our Indian colleagues, we have finished creating an export version of the PAK-FA, known in India as the FGFA. All the documentation is now ready, and we have an understanding of the amount of work that will be required for the next design phase, and the scale of the future series production,” he said.

Mr. Marshankin also noted that while only one pilot operates the Russian version of the fifth generation fighter jet, the Indian Air Force traditionally prefers aircraft operated by two pilots, writes RIA Novosti, citing the Russian News Service.

“In the difficult conditions of modern warfare, it is extremely difficult to simultaneously maneuver a fighter jet and fire on the enemy. For now, the Indian side insists that their version of the fifth generation fighter must be made for two pilots,” he said.

In September, Russia and India were able to resolve the problematic issues on the draft design of the fifth generation fighter, having also agreed to build 200 aircraft worth about $30 billion.

President of Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Mikhail Pogosyan said in November, that FGFA project is among top priority projects for Russia. “The projects of a fifth generation fighter jet and a military transport plane reflect our strategy on creating present-day high-tech products in cooperation with our partners,” Pogosyan said.

The FGFA project began following a Russian-Indian agreement on cooperation in the development and production of the perspective multirole fighter, signed on October 18, 2007.

The Indian fighter jet will be based on the Russian single-seat PAK-FA fifth-generation fighter or Sukhoi T-50, but it will be designed to meet about 50 specific requirements by the Indian Air Force.

 

[third eye]

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[Levina]

while only one pilot operates the Russian version of the fifth generation fighterjet, the Indian Air Force traditionally prefers aircraft operated by two pilots,

why is that?

 

[third eye]

why is that?

“In the difficult conditions of modern warfare, it is extremely difficult to simultaneously maneuver a fighter jet and fire on the enemy.

Besides better control of the weapon platform, facilitates multi tasking + operating multipile systems ( including non flying controls).

 

[kaku1]

why is that?

Long Missions.
One Pilot and one WSO.

 

[greatone]

why is that?

Because of large number of MKIs in service, IAF has developed its fighter pilot syllabus to cater to two pilots.
They want to build on those two man tactics with PMF.
Also a two seater eliminates the need of a wingman and each plane can fly solo to a mission.
In the air two brains are better than one

A two seater jet also decreases workload on the pilots and its easier to execute long missions which can take upto 12 hours.
For example IAF practises a Su-30 taking off from Assam, going over Arabian Sea, refuelling over Tajikistan and coming back to Assam.

 

[kaku1]

Because of large number of MKIs in service, IAF has developed its fighter pilot syllabus to cater to two pilots.
They want to build on those two man tactics with PMF.
Also a two seater eliminates the need of a wingman and each plane can fly solo to a mission.
In the air two brains are better than one

A two seater jet also decreases workload on the pilots and its easier to execute long missions which can take upto 12 hours.
For example IAF practises a Su-30 taking off from Assam, going over Arabian Sea, refuelling over Tajikistan and coming back to Assam.

You going too much wrong bro, you cant eliminate use of wingman by adding seat for WSO. Wingman role is too much different.

 

[Kinetic]

We must buy few (2 squadrons) single seaters directly from Russia apart from FGFA. We need this direly to give IAF edge over enemy.

 

[Levina]

@third eye @kaku1 @greatone
thank you guys!
I meant to ask that in adverse conditions we also end up loosing 2 pilots like when Sukhoi fighter crashed near Pune in 2011.
Then
1) if a Russian pilot can manage modern Sukhois on his own, why do we insist on a double seat variant?? I am sure they also take long missions.
2) Are they always trained together? do they always stick as a team or is it a diff man every time?

 

[greatone]

You going too much wrong bro, you cant eliminate use of wingman by adding seat for WSO. Wingman role is too much different.

I am simply stating from an opinion piece of a retired IAF officer.
Of course Wingman can't be replaced by a WSO in each and every mission but for it is viable for some specific missions .

 

[kaku1]

@third eye @kaku1 @greatone
thank you guys!
I meant to ask that in adverse conditions we also end up loosing 2 pilots like when Sukhoi fighter crashed near Pune in 2011.
Then
1) if a Russian pilot can manage modern Sukhois on his own, why do we insist on a double seat variant?? I am sure they also take long missions.

Its about automation, we still not on standards of F-35, to keep the pilot relax, WSO is needed to handle all weapons.

2) Are they always trained together? do they always stick as a team or is it a diff man every time?

Nope, WSO and Pilot remain brother for whole life in IAF, they create tactics and employ them. Even the plane remain constant.

 

[greatone]

@third eye @kaku1 @greatone

1) if a Russian pilot can manage modern Sukhois on his own, why do we insist on a double seat variant?? I am sure they also take long missions.
2) Are they always trained together? do they always stick as a team or is it a diff man every time?

1. Because India is not Russia and vice-versa.
We have different requirements.

Russia has a large fleet of Strategic bombers which India does not have.
So IAF uses two man Su-30 for those missions.

With the way they are pushing for two man FGFA it seems IAF has no plans to go for a strategic bomber in the future also and FGFA will double up as next gen strategic bomber like Su-30 does now.

2. No they are trained to work with everyone in the squadron.

 

[third eye]

@third eye @kaku1 @greatone
thank you guys!
I meant to ask that in adverse conditions we also end up loosing 2 pilots like when Sukhoi fighter crashed near Pune in 2011.
Then
1) if a Russian pilot can manage modern Sukhois on his own, why do we insist on a double seat variant?? I am sure they also take long missions.
2) Are they always trained together? do they always stick as a team or is it a diff man every time?

@levina

Weapon platforms are designed keeping their combat role and future accretions in mind.

Loss of crew is not a factor that changes design.

Having said this, each nation has its own battle philosophy ( eg : Crew comfort Vs ruggedness as seen in tanks of the Eastern & Wester blocs ).

In our way of thinking a two man crew serves better given the vast areas we shall have to fly around for engaging targets away from the ' most obvious approaches "

I am sure others will provide further inputs on this.

 

[Levina]

1. Because India is not Russia and vice-versa.
We have different requirements.

Russia has a large fleet of Strategic bombers which India does not have.
So IAF uses two man Su-30 for those missions.

With the way they are pushing for two man FGFA it seems IAF has no plans to go for a strategic bomber in the future also and FGFA will double up as next gen strategic bomber like Su-30 does now.

Hmm.I had heard something similar...so why dont we use bombers???
We had previously leased a few bombers from Russia isnt it?? whats the update now?

Nope, WSO and Pilot remain brother for whole life in IAF, they create tactics and employ them. Even the plane remain constant.

2. No they are trained to work with everyone in the squadron.

oh!
you both have given contradicting answers.

 

[rockstarIN]

@third eye @kaku1 @greatone
thank you guys!
I meant to ask that in adverse conditions we also end up loosing 2 pilots like when Sukhoi fighter crashed near Pune in 2011.
Then
1) if a Russian pilot can manage modern Sukhois on his own, why do we insist on a double seat variant?? I am sure they also take long missions.
2) Are they always trained together? do they always stick as a team or is it a diff man every time?

Different tactics/strategies. Americans and Russians have 1 pilot in the cockpit whereas we Indians as well as IsA F prefers 2 in the cockpit for new gen jets.