Russia's new Fire and forget missile Kornet-EM

[mnd]

Finally u realised that fog does affect thermal. Seems u searched or asked someone.

Read my earlier posts. Weather alone cannot disrupt thermal vision.

Israel is one of world leaders in thermals Russia is third world.

Beacause you want to . Seekers installed on missiles are low cost intended for single use. They are all bad quality which need a clear designation.

You does not exist.

Kornet does not exist either.

You have played absurd already. Time to shift to a more serious tone.

Lets say we fire at 2 km. During 2 sec of climbing 30 km/h tank will move at 17 m. Thats less than half grad. warhead wont even notice.

What warhead will not know is to on what lock to. Unless you prove it with a video, or statement, I will not believe logically.

On contrary. Almost everyone bought light versions.

And nobody replaced old systems or adopted them in wide use.

Thats true thats why they are still used together with Spike ER.

Because Spike ER does not fully meet today´s needs.

These are just trainings/show. Show me actually infantry unit which carries Kornet on their backs. U wont be able.

This is fire demonstration from actual army unit.

You are now saying Kornet is not portable?
anti-tank system KORNET -E (

It does. Only specialized Kvartet modules have laser range finders. Simple Kornet (like on pics above) does not have.

What has that to do with what I said?

If we needed to incease damage we would made it. But HEAT are powerful enough because they are very accurate. In some cases they are even too powerful.

You are not going to waste a thousand dollar missile in that way, essencially since Spike fire power is limited.

Me too. Kornet missile is only two times cheaper than Spike.

That´s not the difference according to export prices.

In order to fire Korne D should put them out and stand on high hill in lighn of sight with the target.

That is good before engagement, spotted in position or moving, can be taken as unarmed vehicle and given low priority, and after engagement, retire and apparent unarmed. It is tactically important. Your Spike will be the first to be targeted .

Closed position at ranges 2.5 km+. At shorter ranges fire and forget.

Can it fire on move? even worse than older 2nd gen missiles in combat.

Everything was shwn is plastic launcher of air launched Hermes.

You can ask to KBP or Rosoboronexport representatives at exhibition, and they´ll convince you.

Why do u need Kransopol at all? Tamuz is for same reason but it does not need laser targeting and it can be launched from a jeep.

Both depend on external designation.

What specialized munition u can use at 25 km?

Everything.

Every long range munition needs recon info. But Krasnopol needs also illimination with laser. Illumination is done ether by special force, UAV, helicopter. But all this is complicated, not always available, risky, alarms the target. Tamuz on the other hand can guide by itself, thats why its is far far more self sufficient than Krasnopol.

Same is Tamuz, needs recon from special force, UAV or aerial means. Risk is the same. Both are supposed to operate like that and external designation is a given.

 

[500]

Read my earlier posts. Weather alone cannot disrupt thermal vision.

I thought u got some brains, but you return back to ur stubborn ignorance.

Beacause you want to .

Because its a fact. Israeli Litening pods are bought by over 20 countries. Russia buys thermals for its tanks from France.

You have played absurd already. Time to shift to a more serious tone.

Kornet-MR does not exists. Thats fact.

What warhead will not know is to on what lock to. Unless you prove it with a video, or statement, I will not believe logically.

How can it not know if location changed only by half grad?

And nobody replaced old systems or adopted them in wide use.

Everybody is changing. Shelf time is limited and no one buys portable 2nd generation missiles anymore (except Syria).

Because Spike ER does not fully meet today´s needs.

It does.

This is fire demonstration from actual army unit.

You are now saying Kornet is not portable?
anti-tank system KORNET -E (

Of course not. You can see that they carry misisles in hands. You cant walk like that beyond 100 m.

And thanks for posting this video. This part:

Is exactly as my chart:

What has that to do with what I said?

That this mode is available only for special "Kvartet" module which no one buys.

You are not going to waste a thousand dollar missile in that way, essencially since Spike fire power is limited.

I told u, its only two times more expensive than Kornet. Considering that GNP per capita in Israel is two times higher than in Russia its the same.

That´s not the difference according to export prices.

It is.

Peru bought 244 Kornet missiles for 25 mln and 244 Spike missiles for 48 mln. That means each Kornet missile costs 102 K and each Spike - 196 K. 1.92 times more expensive. Even less than 2 times.

That is good before engagement, spotted in position or moving, can be taken as unarmed vehicle and given low priority, and after engagement, retire and apparent unarmed. It is tactically important. Your Spike will be the first to be targeted .

If I see some jeep climbing on a hill I during the war I would sertanly think its military. And it should stay exposed in order to fire.

Can it fire on move? even worse than older 2nd gen missiles in combat.

No one fires ATGMs on move. Stop than nonsense.

You can ask to KBP or Rosoboronexport representatives at exhibition, and they´ll convince you.

If they had something to show they would show. All they have is plastic launcher.

Both depend on external designation.

No. In order to fire Tamuz all u need is just to know approximate location. Thats it. It guides by itself. But in order to guide Kransopol you need laser designation, which is very dangerous thing and not always available.

 

[mnd]

I thought u got some brains, but you return back to ur stubborn ignorance.

Read again my posts, if still not understand, I´m will not argue this more.

Because its a fact. Israeli Litening pods are bought by over 20 countries. Russia buys thermals for its tanks from France.

Not all thermals.

Kornet-MR does not exists. Thats fact.

Prove? I proved already.

How can it not know if location changed only by half grad?

You have to understand how carefully you need to designate to a seeker, besides, that statement was not made up by me.

So still no proof? statement, video? then all clear.

Everybody is changing. Shelf time is limited and no one buys portable 2nd generation missiles anymore (except Syria).

Both Syria and Russia, and in big quantities.

It does.

That is not expressed in the market for some reason.

Of course not. You can see that they carry misisles in hands. You cant walk like that beyond 100 m.

Launcher is universal and it is portable. There are different missiles for Kornet, some lighter, some heavier.

And thanks for posting this video. This part:

Is exactly as my chart:

So you again try to distorsion information?

I think it is pretty clear

That this mode is available only for special "Kvartet" module which no one buys.

Again, what has that to do, with the picture above?.

I told u, its only two times more expensive than Kornet. Considering that GNP per capita in Israel is two times higher than in Russia its the same.

That´s not a way of comparison.

It is.

Peru bought 244 Kornet missiles for 25 mln and 244 Spike missiles for 48 mln. That means each Kornet missile costs 102 K and each Spike - 196 K. 1.92 times more expensive. Even less than 2 times.

Peru contract was 23 mln for 244 missiles and 24 launchers. And it depends. For example in Polish deal missile cost was several times higher.

If I see some jeep climbing on a hill I during the war I would sertanly think its military. And it should stay exposed in order to fire.

For intelligence info, they are regular jeeps, when they fire from the hill, they are out of range. Spike is always offensive and will always be targeted.

No one fires ATGMs on move. Stop than nonsense.

Because your Spike cannot does not mean it is nosense.

If they had something to show they would show. All they have is plastic launcher.

What they need to show? Process for Spike and Hermes is the same: Negotiation of contract, agreement and order. You have a strange mentality that Hermes "does not existt" which is far from world reality. And what should exist really? Techical work was completed, trials were, the only new part would be production, and even that is not, Hermes is derived from Pantsir missile which is mass produced already, and shares 90% commonality. So what should exactly exist to you?

No. In order to fire Tamuz all u need is just to know approximate location. Thats it. It guides by itself. But in order to guide Kransopol you need laser designation, which is very dangerous thing and not always available.

Laser designation is not much different from regular intel needs, it is done from the same plattforms, special unit, UAV or aerial plattforms.

 

[500]

Read again my posts, if still not understand, I´m will not argue this more.

This what u said:

The system has a thermal camera which is not affected by smoke or weather.

This statement shows that u are complete ignorant who never seen thermal siughts in his life.

Prove? I proved already.

U did not prove the existance of Kornet-MR.

You have to understand how carefully you need to designate to a seeker, besides, that statement was not made up by me.

Tank is not a supersonic jet. It cant switch location during missile climb.

So still no proof? statement, video? then all clear.

Both Spike and Javelin say that they have lofted attack.

Both Syria and Russia, and in big quantities.

Thats what I said. Only country that bought Metis-M is poor isolated Syria. On the other hand over 30 countries buy Spike and Javelin.

That is not expressed in the market for some reason.

No one needs it.

Launcher is universal and it is portable. There are different missiles for Kornet, some lighter, some heavier.

Lightest Kornet missile is 29 kg. That means that crew of two persons can carry only one missile + launcher. You still failed to show any infantry unit with Kornet.

So you again try to distorsion information?

I think it is pretty clear

Ur pics does not work.

That´s not a way of comparison.

I brought numbers for deal in same country. Now you cry its not fair.

For example in Polish deal missile cost was several times higher.

Polish deal included technology transfer. They produce Spikes in Poland now.

For intelligence info, they are regular jeeps, when they fire from the hill, they are out of range.

Thats why they will be eliminated.

Because your Spike cannot does not mean it is nosense.

Only Kvartet

What they need to show?

Missile in action, tests something. There is no any reason on earth to hide it.

Process for Spike and Hermes is the same: Negotiation of contract, agreement and order. You have a strange mentality that Hermes "does not existt" which is far from world reality. And what should exist really? Techical work was completed, trials were, the only new part would be production, and even that is not, Hermes is derived from Pantsir missile which is mass produced already, and shares 90% commonality. So what should exactly exist to you?

Pantsyr is good example: they sold it to UAE when it was not ready at all. It still has serious issues with its radar.

Laser designation is not much different from regular intel needs, it is done from the same plattforms, special unit, UAV or aerial plattforms.

No, its very different. Because u need to come much closer, it alerts and endangers target. If laser was not different then no one would use self guiding rounds, which are much more expensive and less versatile and accurate.

 

[IND151]

india already has kornet E.

it seems KORNET EM is better

 

[13 komaun]

This what u said:

The system has a thermal camera which is not affected by smoke or weather.

This statement shows that u are complete ignorant who never seen thermal siughts in his life.


U did not prove the existance of Kornet-MR.


Tank is not a supersonic jet. It cant switch location during missile climb.


Both Spike and Javelin say that they have lofted attack.



Thats what I said. Only country that bought Metis-M is poor isolated Syria. On the other hand over 30 countries buy Spike and Javelin.


No one needs it.


Lightest Kornet missile is 29 kg. That means that crew of two persons can carry only one missile + launcher. You still failed to show any infantry unit with Kornet.


Ur pics does not work.


I brought numbers for deal in same country. Now you cry its not fair.


Polish deal included technology transfer. They produce Spikes in Poland now.


Thats why they will be eliminated.


Only Kvartet


Missile in action, tests something. There is no any reason on earth to hide it.


Pantsyr is good example: they sold it to UAE when it was not ready at all. It still has serious issues with its radar.


No, its very different. Because u need to come much closer, it alerts and endangers target. If laser was not different then no one would use self guiding rounds, which are much more expensive and less versatile and accurate.

which ATGM is better kornet E or TOW later variants?

 

[Basel]

@500 What is your opinion about Mizrek-U (UMTAS) and HJ-12 ATGMs??

 

[500]

which ATGM is better kornet E or TOW later variants?

TOW-2B uses top attack mode, Kornet uses brute force. Kornet has bugger range and is less bulky.

@500 What is your opinion about Mizrek-U (UMTAS) and HJ-12 ATGMs??

Mizrak-U is extremely similar to Spike-ER:

Both have IR seeker fire and forget, fire and update modes.
Both have 8000 m range.
Mizrak-U weights 37.5 kg while Spike-ER - 33 kg.

HJ-12 is extremely similar to Javelin.

Both are portable fire and forget IR seeker missiles. Unlike Spike and UTMAS both HJ-12 and Javelin lack the update mode, thus their range is limited to ~2.5 km.