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[twilight]

You need to chill out I think...

I'm sorry ...
but most Iranian have the same view about Iran/Russia relationship ... exactly , their idea about Iran/Russia relationship are even worse than mine .... you don't living in Iran and you don't know about this ....

well maybe I shouldn't say some thing like this in public forums but when I see someone act like Iran and Russia are friend , my blood boiling in my vessels ...

Even IRI haven't any good feeling toward Russia ... and this is logic because we should prepare ourselves for another backstab from this so called Friend ....

 

[silko]

So some stupid things you said is not enough for and you want to continue humilate yourself? How is Russian airforce badly trained compared to Western airforce? Did Russian airforce lose any plane to 50 years old short range SAM's proving how superior Israeli airforce is? Oh, im waiting for links

do you have reading comprehensions?

"Due to the lack of widespread night-vision equipment, it mostly operated during daytime, while the Georgian Air Force was able to operate at night as well."

"roblems in suppressing enemy air defences (partly due to lack of training in this role), meant that the Russian air force was unable to provide direct support to its own troops."

"Even by 11 August, Russia had not completely achieved air dominance, and the Georgian aircraft were still attacking Russian troops and Tskhinvali"

"Moscow Defense Brief strongly criticised the performance of the Russian Air Force, saying that there was a total absence of co-operation between the army and air force,"

Sorry to dissapoint you, but Russia lost some old and outdated planes to relatively modern long range SAMs. NATO on other hand lost planes(super hi-tech and stealth!!) to 50 years old short range Soviet relics Russian arforce never in their history displayed such incompetence

"Analysts at Moscow Defense Brief give a higher estimate, saying that the overall losses of Russian Air Force in the war amounted to seven aircraft, while Anton Lavrov lists 6 Su-25s, 2 Su-24s and 1 Tu-22M as lost"

su-24's and tu-22m isn't some old and outdated plane, infact the TU-22M is a supersonic bomber.

the SU-25's where lost to anti aircraft fire, not SAM's. the SAM's that where present in the battle of Tshkinvali from Georgian side was BUK M1 and 9K33 Osa. how are they modern long range SAM's? they are nowhere close to today's quality.

they only lost 2 planes of several thousand sortes above Serbia. one bomber and one F-16, the complete loss is somthing around 5 if i remember correctly. and that compared to the sorties flown above Serbia, who had much better SAM's than Georgia is still a embarasement for Russia.

whether its big or not that have nothing to do with your claim that Russian airforce operated only over Ossetia

and your claim that Tbilisi is in the completely other side of Georgia, when it infact is only about one hour's driving from the war zone. Tbilisi is in the southeast towards Azerbaijan and Armenia.

 

[SHAHED]

twilight !

هیچ کشوری عاشق چشم و ابروی ایران نیست

همین بشار اسد یادت نیست با زنش می رفت ترکیه

...

ایرانی ها باید به خودشون متکی باشن

 

[zzzz]

"Analysts at Moscow Defense Brief give a higher estimate, saying that the overall losses of Russian Air Force in the war amounted to seven aircraft, while Anton Lavrov lists 6 Su-25s, 2 Su-24s and 1 Tu-22M as lost"

su-24's and tu-22m isn't some old and outdated plane, infact the TU-22M is a supersonic bomber.

the SU-25's where lost to anti aircraft fire, not SAM's. the SAM's that where present in the battle of Tshkinvali from Georgian side was BUK M1 and 9K33 Osa. how are they modern long range SAM's? they are nowhere close to today's quality.

they only lost 2 planes of several thousand sortes above Serbia. one bomber and one F-16, the complete loss is somthing around 5 if i remember correctly. and that compared to the sorties flown above Serbia, who had much better SAM's than Georgia is still a embarasement for Russia.

no need to copy meaningless wall of text here if you got nothing to say.
50km is quite long range compared to 15km. Buk-M with latest upgrades are currently in use by such countries as Russia and China and many more otheres and no one is going to scrap it any time soon. Just few years ago Egypt bought brand new Buk-M system. And you are comparing this to some WW2 era crap. i said turn on your brain

Air defence in Serbia were not much better than in Lebanon. 50 years old never upgraded junk. Compared to Georgia that had modern radars, networks, communication equipment, C&C centers with American and Israeli electronics.

and your claim that Tbilisi is in the completely other side of Georgia, when it infact is only about one hour's driving from the war zone. Tbilisi is in the southeast towards Azerbaijan and Armenia.

and its still on other side of country compared to Ossetia.

 

[silko]

no need to copy meaningless wall of text here if you got nothing to say.

no need to cry because you lost the discussion.

Compared to Georgia that had modern radars, networks, communication equipment, C&C centers with American and Israeli electronics.

and your SU-25 where not downed by sam's but anti aircraft fire. while all the planes NATO lost in the campaign was from SAM's.

and as i said, 200 sorties with 6 planes lost compared to several thousand sorties and 1 bomer 1 F-16 and A-10 (not sure) was downed. and 3 of your planes was downed by your own army!

the Georgian radars that Israel supplied wasn't much credible since Israel gave the codes for them to Russia in exchange of Iranian codes...

and its still on other side of country compared to Ossetia.

i am comparing it to Tskhinvali and no, since Tskhinvali is considered a place in Ossetia and it only is 120 km from the capital it is not "the other side".

 

[ptldM3]

lol... the mighty Russians will kill us all, they struggled with the Georgian Army who only had equipment from the soviet era, lost planes to a country that doesn't even have fighters or any up to date sam's and they are going to "destroy" a one million man army that has up to date technology, more than capable Navy to challenge Russian black sea fleet, more than capable air force system to kick the Russians back to their territory. tanks, artillery etc...

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The Georgian military was equipped with or upgraded by Turkish, Israeli, US, Ukrainian, and Soviet equipment and lost pretty badly to Russian troops that were using mostly outdated Soviet weapons. The one fault of the Russian military was poor communication that led to friendly fire and downing of their own aircraft. Since then the military improved the structure and communication and put an emphasis on drones to avoid unnecessary reconnaissance missions by manned aircraft. Not to forget the Russian military received newer weapons since than.

At the end of the Day the Georgian military got curb stomped and were in full retreat abandoning their equipment.

 

[zzzz]

no need to cry because you lost the discussion.

now the best you can is delusioning youself. you can keep your mouth shut untill you provide me the links when Russian planes were shot down by Lebanon style 50 years old sam's

the Georgian radars that Israel supplied wasn't much credible since Israel gave the codes for them to Russia in exchange of Iranian codes...

cool story bro thats from debka probably?

i am comparing it to Tskhinvali and no, since Tskhinvali is considered a place in Ossetia and it only is 120 km from the capital it is not "the other side".

that have nothing to do with your claim that Russian airforce operated only over Ossetia and not over whole Georgia. you are busted and your BS is exposed. and Tbilisi still is on other side of the country compared to Tskhinvali

 

[ptldM3]

no need to cry because you lost the discussion.



and your SU-25 where not downed by sam's but anti aircraft fire. while all the planes NATO lost in the campaign was from SAM's.

Wrong, SU-25's were downed by SAM's, in fact there is video proof of that. Proof that puts your credibility in question.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Wrong, SU-25's were downed by SAM's, in fact there is video proof of that. Proof that puts your credibility in question.

Post the video here.

 

[ptldM3]

Post the video here.

http://youtu.be/sXlxTbFd2yY



http://youtu.be/P5Mh2DeC2JE




Clearly hit by a SAMs, which like i said, puts Silko's claims in to question. The guy is clearly on a smere campaign and is making claims up. The important thing to remember is that the aicraft downed by Georgia were mostly low and slow flying aircraft that had no real SEADs capabilities, since than the RAF has received SU-34s of which, 2 were sent to Georgia for testing and one of them destroyed a SAM battery that downed a Russian aircraft.

 

[silko]

Wrong, SU-25's were downed by SAM's, in fact there is video proof of that. Proof that puts your credibility in question.

i got that from Wikipedia... but won't argue since you probably have better info and reserach on this.

edit: here is where i got it from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tskhinvali#Air_operations_in_South_Ossetia


"as the Russian Air Force took early losses (3 Su-25s) to Georgian anti-aircraft fire"

 

[cabatli_53]

As I said in another thread, Turkey is being used no more than a buffer by NATO against Russia. I hope sense prevails and Turkey realizes the dangerous game it is playing in the hands of NATO. In case of any conflict, it will be the first one to be destroyed by Russia.

Sorry but How will Russia destroy Turkey ? Do you suppose Turkish Army something like equivalent with Georgian army being crushed by Russia ? Have you ever check the Turkish Naval fleet being navigated in Blacksea which Russia can't even come close with its rusty fleet... What about airfleet of both ? Do you have some information about avarage flying times/battle-readiness of TurAF pilots which Russian airforce may reach %50 of Turaf education/training and flying hours ? If you described it like a bloody fight against Russia-Turkey, I will agree with you but Terms like "Being destroyed by Russia" is impossible If You are talking about Turkish Army..

 

[ptldM3]

Have you ever check the Turkish Naval fleet being navigated in Blacksea which Russia can't even come close with its rusty fleet...

This comment makes me think that you are either joking or ignorant. The Russian navy has far more modern vessels than Turkey, and the bulk of Turkish navy is made up of outdated attack ships and or patrol ships. Turkey has few corvettes and frigates and many of the ones that they do have are nothing to brag about and the submarines Turkey has are only diesel electrics. In contrast Russia is planning on purchasing an additional 100 navy vessels, and a portion of those ships/submarines are either on trials, laid down or will be laid down in the near future.

Although the Turkish navy may be effective it is not in the same league as the Russian navy not in equipment, not in numbers, not in personnel, and not in aircraft.

What about airfleet of both ? Do you have some information about avarage flying times/battle-readiness of TurAF pilots which Russian airforce may reach %50 of Turaf education/training and flying hours ?

Really why don’t you provide some up to date figures for everyone. And by up to date I mean current figures and not something from 1990’s.

And while you are at it enlighten everyone these ‘education’ standards, I would like a link that proves Turkish pilots have more ‘education’.

 

[cabatli_53]

This comment makes me think that you are either joking or ignorant. The Russian navy has far more modern vessels than Turkey, and the bulk of Turkish navy is made up of outdated attack ships and or patrol ships. Turkey has few corvettes and frigates and many of the ones that they do have are nothing to brag about and the submarines Turkey has are only diesel electrics. In contrast Russia is planning on purchasing an additional 100 navy vessels, and a portion of those ships/submarines are either on trials, laid down or will be laid down in the near future.

"This comment makes me think that you are either joking or ignorant". Is there anybody asked you about Russian Naval fleet ? Are you aware of availibility of a sea called Blacksea at the bottom of your country (Only gate/border/line to fight against Turks on sea) which Russians obsolete rusty naval ships are stationed in Blacksea (a sea like Turkish Lake, At a likely war, There will be no place to hide in your narrow shoreline) and requiring lots of money to upgrade/replace them ? In this aspect, It doesnt interest me How much money Russia is going to pay for future naval platforms or How many submarines/destroyers Russia totally has. Turkey is also proceeding lots of state of art naval programs.

Although the Turkish navy may be effective it is not in the same league as the Russian navy not in equipment, not in numbers, not in personnel, and not in aircraft.

Blacksea fleet of Russia isn't in the same leage as the Turkish Naval fleet not in technological, not in number, not in personnel and technology as well. Until you collect all your ships from all around the Russian borders to navigate towards Turkey, All your rusty fleet have already been destroyed by Turkey without any doubt...

1 kilo against the 14+6 Turkish SSK, 1 cruiser and 2 Kara destroyers, No need to count the Kashin without missiles. Add in the 2 Krivaks against Turkey's 18 frigates, 8 (10 under production) corvettes, 27 missile boats This situation in Blacksea is known by everybody. Sole Naval power of Blacksea is Turkey...

You have to pay huge huge money on naval programs to be on par with Turkish fleet...

Spreading power screams with typing "Russia will destroy Turks" bla bla in forums are easy but Truths may gives some pains. Turkey isn't a country like Georgia (Using mostly Turkish produced/given away FAC's as navy against you) which you can play your games with all your old rusty soviet toys. Don't forget that Mighty Russia lost lots of valuable assets against a country like Georgia, no need to mention Turkey with above fleet against Russia.

 

[ptldM3]

Is there anybody asked you about Russian Naval fleet ? .

No one needs to ask me, I was replying to your silly comments.

Are you aware of availibility of a sea called Blacksea at the bottom of your country (Only gate/border/line to fight against Turks on sea) which Russians obsolete rusty naval ships are stationed in Blacksea (a sea like Turkish Lake, At a likely war, There will be no place to hide in your narrow shoreline) and requiring lots of money to upgrade/replace them ? In this aspect, It doesnt interest me How much money Russia is going to pay for future naval platforms or How many submarines/destroyers Russia totally has. Turkey is also proceeding lots of state of art naval programs..

Please do think that Russian ships are rusty, and please be ignorant enough to think that other Russian ships/submarines do not visit or patrol near the port, and by all means please do think that the Turkish navy will not have to deal with other Russian warships.

Blacksea fleet of Russia isn't in the same leage as the Turkish Naval fleet not in technological, not in number, not in personnel and technology as well. Until you collect all your ships from all around the Russian borders to navigate towards Turkey, All your rusty fleet have already been destroyed by Turkey without any doubt....

What does Turkey have, some diesel electric submarines, small outdated attack ships, some tugs and just a handful of decent frigates and corvettes.

1 kilo against the 14+6 Turkish SSK, 1 cruiser and 2 Kara destroyers, No need to count the Kashin without missiles. Add in the 2 Krivaks against Turkey's 18 frigates, 8 (10 under production) corvettes, 27 missile boats This situation in Blacksea is known by everybody. Sole Naval power of Blacksea is Turkey....

What makes you think that Russian submarines do not stalk Turkish ships or that every ship you listed will be available to Turkey? Even if Turkey manages to sink some ships from the Black Sea Fleet what makes you think that the rest of the Russian navy won’t come to assist? And when the rest of the Russian navy does come where will Turkish ships hid?

You have to pay huge huge money on naval programs to be on par with Turkish fleet....

Time to wake up and stop living a fairytale, the Turkish navy is a fraction the size of the Russian navy and operates mostly support ships and or smaller missile boats. Turkey has very few modern ships. The Turkish navy is outclassed and outgunned, and you know it. Only a delusional individual would think Turkey has a navy to challenge Russia.