Russian hackers expose 11 more Western Cheaters for doping

[Economic superpower]

Don't worry, Fancy Bears is releasing things slowly. Stay tune for the final trump card from them. Phelps cheating since Beijing 2008....

If Phelps is caught, then American sports reputation is finished. That is the knockout punch.

 

[Jlaw]

If Phelps is caught, then American sports reputation is finished. That is the knockout punch.

They will find some excuses and another way to cheat

 

[gambit]

you're pretty outraged that's why you're posting here to vent your anger

The ones who are outraged are YOU GUYS.

China came 3rd in the total medal count. Compare to US, it was a distant 3rd. Russia is lower. Now all hoopla we see came from a bunch of Russian crackers and the Chinese cheering them on ?

Am going to ask the same question that you guys avoided, and that apparently the admin staff deleted the thread:

- Are you denying the fact that China and Russia are FOUNDING MEMBERS of WADA, thereby privy to everything that organization does ?

 

[Beast]

It is interesting to note that no government came out to protest. So far, the only ones outraged are Chinese and Russian forum participants.

Of cos, the western countries are the one cheating. Why would they come out and protest?

The ones who are outraged are YOU GUYS.

China came 3rd in the total medal count. Compare to US, it was a distant 3rd. Russia is lower. Now all hoopla we see came from a bunch of Russian crackers and the Chinese cheering them on ?

Am going to ask the same question that you guys avoided, and that apparently the admin staff deleted the thread:

- Are you denying the fact that China and Russia are FOUNDING MEMBERS of WADA, thereby privy to everything that organization does ?

They are founding members but the evil west using their past wealth and political influence ousted the Russian and Chinese from most top decision making. If Russian know, why would they even need to hack? 3 years old kid also know that. You mean you dont know?

 

[Economic superpower]

The ones who are outraged are YOU GUYS.

China came 3rd in the total medal count. Compare to US, it was a distant 3rd. Russia is lower. Now all hoopla we see came from a bunch of Russian crackers and the Chinese cheering them on ?

Am going to ask the same question that you guys avoided, and that apparently the admin staff deleted the thread:

- Are you denying the fact that China and Russia are FOUNDING MEMBERS of WADA, thereby privy to everything that organization does ?

When the entire American team is full of doping cheats it's pretty easy to win gold medals. Put an asterisk next to that medal count.

 

[Beast]

When the entire American team is full of doping cheats it's pretty easy to win gold medals. Put an asterisk next to that medal count.

Like the greatest cheat Lance Armstrong, doping for so many decades and is an American

He shall have just died of cancer and stop polluting the world.

 

[TaiShang]

Fancy Bear is doing an act of global public goods.

They are releasing evidence painfully slowly.

Power struggles - Ex WADA president Pound: IOC wants to replace WADA. How react other stakeholders - governments?

https://www.sott.net/article/328963...ck-Pound-believes-IOC-wants-to-replace-agency

 

[gambit]

They are founding members but the evil west using their past wealth and political influence ousted the Russian and Chinese from most top decision making.

This is the typical argument of the loser. You got no proof of this. If this is true, your government would have came out of this much sooner than the 2016 Olympics. This is the argument of a 12 yr old.

Ascendant China, awoken from centuries of oppression and willful slumber, grown mighty from tankers full of money, and challenging the US in many fronts, is suddenly cowed over sporting trophies ?

 

[Beast]

This is the typical argument of the loser. You got no proof of this. If this is true, your government would have came out of this much sooner than the 2016 Olympics. This is the argument of a 12 yr old.

Ascendant China, awoken from centuries of oppression and willful slumber, grown mighty from tankers full of money, and challenging the US in many fronts, is suddenly cowed over sporting trophies ?

It doesnt need evidence. Basic logic tells you if Russia and China knows, why would Russia even need to hack WADA?

 

[gambit]

It doesnt need evidence.

For YOU, of course not. According to Mr. Deino: "Beast never proofs anything, he simply "knows""

Basic logic tells you if Russia and China knows, why would Russia even need to hack WADA?

No. Real logic, not 'Chinese logic', tells us that if China and Russia were truly excluded from WADA's top decision making processes, they would have raised hell a long time ago. Next to victories in war, victories in international sports is a close second. So for you to posit the idea that somehow 'the West' managed to subdue China and Russia in international sports thru politics and money is simply so absurd that only a Chinese could believe it.

 

[Beast]

For YOU, of course not. According to Mr. Deino: "Beast never proofs anything, he simply "knows""


No. Real logic, not 'Chinese logic', tells us that if China and Russia were truly excluded from WADA's top decision making processes, they would have raised hell a long time ago. Next to victories in war, victories in international sports is a close second. So for you to posit the idea that somehow 'the West' managed to subdue China and Russia in international sports thru politics and money is simply so absurd that only a Chinese could believe it.

Who is deino? Top , dick harry? I never claim I am somebody but at least based many of my finding on facts. Or you want to claim US soldier overseas are angel and they never raped or abuses others?

 

[gambit]

Who is deino? Top , dick harry? I never claim I am somebody but at least based many of my finding on facts. Or you want to claim US soldier overseas are angel and they never raped or abuses others?

We are still waiting for the official statements from the Chinese and Russian governments. Anything from anyone else -- shit.

 

[Beast]

We are still waiting for the official statements from the Chinese and Russian governments. Anything from anyone else -- shit.

Western cheats!

 

[gambit]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/olympic...inese-positive-drug-test-20160812-gqqw2d.html

Rio de Janeiro: The Chinese Swimming Association has confirmed Chinese swimmer Chen Xinyi has failed a doping test at the Rio Olympics.

Chen, who came fourth in the women's 100m butterfly final, tested positive for hydrochlorothiazide (HCTZ) on Sunday, a diuretic banned for its potential to mask the use of other performance-enhancing drugs.

First...Is there a genuine MEDICAL use of diuretics for genuine medical conditions ? Yes.

http://www.news-medical.net/health/What-Are-Diuretics-Used-For.aspx

Diuretics are used to treat several conditions in medicine including heart failure, high blood pressure, liver disease and some types of kidney disease.

So taking a diuretic under medical supervision, such as a general practitioner MD, is nothing to be concerned about.

Second...So what made Chen Xinyi different ? What is it about hydrochlorothiazide (HCTZ) ? Is this diuretic a legitimate drug ? Yes, it is.

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5310/hydrochlorothiazide-oral/details

This medication is used to treat high blood pressure. Lowering high blood pressure helps prevent strokes, heart attacks, and kidney problems. Hydrochlorothiazide is a "water pill" (diuretic) that causes you to make more urine. This helps your body get rid of extra salt and water.

All Chen had to do is submit a medical exemption request to WADA showing she needs this drug to treat a persistent medical condition, such as any of the listed.

But if Chen made no exemption request, what non-medical use could there be for hydrochlorothiazide ?

According to WADA, of which China and Russia are FOUNDING MEMBERS therefore privy to everything this organization does, usage of hydrochlorothiazide for non-medical purposes is a TACTICAL decision.

http://www.doping-prevention.de/sub...gents/diuretics-and-other-masking-agents.html

Hydrochlorothiazide can be used to dilute urine sample of anything excreted by the body.

Anyone who is a regular coffee drinker knows caffeine is a mild diuretic and urine color is darker in the time after a few cups of coffee. Drinking water eventually dilute the urine of caffeine and the urine gets gradually lighter.

What hydrochlorothiazide does is act its diuretic properties and make the athlete take more than normal urine breaks. If the athlete takes any banned performance enhancing drug (PED) that is sampled thru urine testing, a diluted urine will lower the odds of detection of that banned PED.

The WADA reasoning, of which China and Russia must have agreed upon since they were FOUNDING MEMBERS, is that the detection of hydrochlorothiazide without the presence of an exemption must be cause for suspicion.

Chen had no exemption because she could not provide a credible argument for its use.

WADA classified hydrochlorothiazide as 'masking' agent, not a PED. In other words, using hydrochlorothiazide to make difficult the detection of something else. Hydrochlorothiazide does not enhance any aspect of the human physiology, other than the urge to urinate.

This is why neither the Chinese nor Russian governments made any official protests over the WADA exemptions for these targeted Western athletes. They knew exactly the purposes of the substances, how they work in the human body, how they are used legitimately and illegitimately, and when each should be allowed.

 

[oprih]

America is truly a super power, a super power when it comes to doping.