Russian Armata fails to load onto carrier

[jammersat]

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[TheNoob]

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aint no issue.
they can just do it manually ;v

 

[jammersat]

aint no issue.
they can just do it manually ;v

okay lol , i guess they need 500 for that , he was an auto-loader in an israeli magach tank

 

[ptldM3]

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You still must be mad because i made you look like an idiot when you claimed the T-14 is a Merkava copy. Now tell me since the video is not working for me, what failed to load?


If this has something to do with a flatbed, the driver was repositioning the tank which is normal. There is little room for error on a flatbed, 1" could mean the difference between being lined up and falling off the side. Tanks often have to line up and then revers, change angle and repeat until they are perfectly strait.

There are plenty of pictures of the Armata on flatbed trucks and trains.

 

[C130]

pedal to the metal Ivan.

 

[gambit]

You still must be mad because i made you look like an idiot when you claimed the T-14 is a Merkava copy. Now tell me since the video is not working for me, what failed to load?


If this has something to do with a flatbed, the driver was repositioning the tank which is normal. There is little room for error on a flatbed, 1" could mean the difference between being lined up and falling off the side. Tanks often have to line up and then revers, change angle and repeat until they are perfectly strait.

It SOUNDED like the tank did not have enough power. The tank was backing up onto the trailer. Why backing up ? One third of the tank was on air over the flat bed, readied for the final push to finally be on the bed, but did not. At this point, if both tracks are fully on the ramp, alignment is good. We can hear the engine rev up but the tank did not make onto the bed.

There are plenty of pictures of the Armata on flatbed trucks and trains.

They could have lifted on.

 

[atatwolf]

It can't load? Well, at least it can move.......... O wait.

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[ptldM3]

It SOUNDED like the tank did not have enough power. The tank was backing up onto the trailer. Why backing up ? One third of the tank was on air over the flat bed, readied for the final push to finally be on the bed, but did not. At this point, if both tracks are fully on the ramp, alignment is good. We can hear the engine rev up but the tank did not make onto the bed.


They could have lifted on.

I can't see the video but i have seen other videos where a tank "looked" lined up and actually made it onto the trailer only to tip over.

 

[Echo_419]

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These thinks happen with new platforms

 

[gambit]

I can't see the video but i have seen other videos where a tank "looked" lined up and actually made it onto the trailer only to tip over.

In your video, that tank did make it on the bed, but why it tipped over, the camera's position does not show. The cause for the tip over is on the other side.

But for what we are talking about here, it looks like the new tank does not have enough power to make the new tank fully on the bed.

 

[ptldM3]

In your video, that tank did make it on the bed, but why it tipped over, the camera's position does not show. The cause for the tip over is on the other side.

It's very obvious why it tipped over, it was not aligned with the trailer, there are other videos of tanks falling off flatbeds. The reason is plain to see. There is almost no room for error when loading tanks on flatbeds, tanks often have to back up multiple times in an attempt to realign their tracks.


Also if this is the video of the T-15 IFV, then your assumptions are wrong. Right before the T-15 came to a stop halfway up the trailer a soldier yells "stoy" translated stop or holt It's also not clear where the howling engine noise was coming from, so what makes you think that it was from the T-15?



The T-14 and T-15 tracks extend several inches beyond the trailer, this means that only a narrow part of the tracks sit on the trailer, as a result 1 or 2 inch difference at either side can cause a shift in weight that will cause the trailer to lean and eventually cause it's load to fall off. This is why the tank crews don't just drive up the trailer ramps with reckless abandonment.


Look how far the tracks extend beyond the edge of the trailer, again this leaves zero room for error:

Tanks are generally not loaded with cranes onto flatbeds, furthermore, T-14's and T-15's were seen driving up trailers not being loaded by cranes:

But for what we are talking about here, it looks like the new tank does not have enough power to make the new tank fully on the bed.

The tank engine has somewhere around 1300-1500hp, the engine itself with the governors turned off produces around 2200hp. The tank has more then enough power to make it up a ramp, i find it amusing that anyone would even argue that the tank does not have enough power.

 

[Penguin]

In your video, that tank did make it on the bed, but why it tipped over, the camera's position does not show. The cause for the tip over is on the other side.

But for what we are talking about here, it looks like the new tank does not have enough power to make the new tank fully on the bed.

Obviously, the right side track of the AMX-30 based GCT 155mm AUF1 (see GCT 155mm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) was not firmly on the transporter (which may have been too narrow) and the whole thing slipped off.

It [not the GCT but the Armatas ICV] looks like a new vehicle with which a crew may yet have to thouroughly familizarize itself. They are taking the safe route. They may have stalled the engine and then chose to start all anew, since that was a safer approach. The vid doesn't show this.. The footage doesn't prove anything re. ability to load. It look like in fact, it has no trouble loading at all.

It SOUNDED like the tank did not have enough power. The tank was backing up onto the trailer. Why backing up ? One third of the tank was on air over the flat bed, readied for the final push to finally be on the bed, but did not. At this point, if both tracks are fully on the ramp, alignment is good. We can hear the engine rev up but the tank did not make onto the bed.


They could have lifted on.

It was backing up the trailer due to its shape and size, notably the front of the AFV. Front en first would be more difficult because the front end sticks out at a much flatter angle. May also not fit the flatbed optimally that way. Duh.

Looking at these 2 vids, i'm wondering if there is a brake or gearbox issue. The ARV couldn't move the Armata because its track was moving freely (> either brakes or gear). Going up a steep ramp involves lots of use of brake and gear. By brake/gear issue I mean either a) technical issue or b) insufficiently trained/experienced crew . It is a new system, after all.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

You still must be mad because i made you look like an idiot when you claimed the T-14 is a Merkava copy. Now tell me since the video is not working for me, what failed to load?

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why you care? I dont.
back in the days before our General Zia was killed Americans staged a demo of Abram tanks for him
their tank missed all targets and then it broke down. that was then late 80s and now that tank claims to be top tank ranked in first or 2nd position.

 

[ptldM3]

why you care? I dont.
back in the days before our General Zia was killed Americans staged a demo of Abram tanks for him
their tank missed all targets and then it broke down. that was then late 80s and now that tank claims to be top tank ranked in first or 2nd position.

Why i care, well it is a forum where people debate, and when someone says the T-14 is a Merkava copy that person can expect to be corrected and ridiculed especially if that person is acting cocky.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Why i care, well it is a forum where people debate, and when someone says the T-14 is a Merkava copy that person can expect to be corrected and ridiculed especially if that person is acting cocky.

that bit I agree where you correct someone my indifference is towards "breaking news" that the Russian new tank "failed" somewhere.