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Russian “Amur-1650” submarine has good chances to win tender in India

Why there is no US company attending the tender?

Because i think submarine technologies are still blacklisted and not to be transferred to other countries !
Moreover it operates alll nuclear force !!!
But I hope its AMUR , Its the best and the quietest !!!
 
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hey guys tell me that whether Amur 1650 is comparable to U 214?
 
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i think Venezuela also signed a deal for Amur subs years ago

am i right?

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so is it comparable to U 214 sub

Is U214 more quiet and can carry ant ship brahmos missiles as well?
What s the advantage of U214 over amur?
 
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hey guys tell me that whether Amur 1650 is comparable to U 214?

U214
Displacement: 1,690 t (surfaced), 1,860 t (submerged)
Length: 213 feet 3 inches (65.0 m)
Beam: 20 feet 8 inches (6.3 m)
Draught: 19 feet 8 inches (6.0 m)
Propulsion: Diesel-electric, fuel cell AIP, low noise skew back propeller
Speed: 12 kt surfaced
20 kt submerged
Range: 12,000 miles (19,300 km) surfaced
420 nmi (780 km) @ 8 kt
1,248 nmi (2,311 km) @ 4 kt
Endurance: 84 days
Test depth: 250m (400m theoretical)
Complement: 5 officers + 22 crew
Armament: (8) 533 mm torpedo tubes, (4) subharpoon-capable
Cost 400 million dollars
 
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my humble request is to speed up this process ,,,,,,,,,,if possible buy some ready made subs to keep up the number.....

Is there any possibility of getting ready made/second hand sub?
i heard that US is planing to decommission their los angeles class nuke subs before its lifetime ends(before 5-6 yrs) because of budget cuts.
Why don't we buy and refit it?! :undecided:
correct me if i am wrong.
 
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Is there any possibility of getting ready made/second hand sub?
i heard that US is planing to decommission their los angeles class nuke subs before its lifetime ends(before 5-6 yrs) because of budget cuts.
Why don't we buy and refit it?! :undecided:
correct me if i am wrong.

Simply because no one sells a Nuclear powered Submarine..US is decommissioning them does not mean they will sell them to any other country...
 
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I think You guys are mistaken if you think that Amur doesnot have a chance
Infact Amur is the only sub in the competition which can carry both AIP and Brahmos , while other subs can either carry Brahmos or AIP , as was the case with Scorpene class where the first 3 subs will carry Brahmos and last 3 sub will have AIP

That's wrong! The Amur class can also carry either AIP or Brahmos, check the website of the manufacturer and you will see that they have 2 different versions for these purposes. Also, the first 3 Scorpenes don't have Brahmos capability, it was reported that the the French could install it in the follow on order if required but only without AIP propusion. The better idea though would be, to take the AIP propulsion and use Scalp cruise missiles, which can be launched from torpedo tubes, similar to Klub S missiles.

Is U214 more quiet and can carry ant ship brahmos missiles as well?
What s the advantage of U214 over amur?

The biggest advantange is the AIP propulsion system, which they have developed and operational for years, while Russia is only in the starting stage. Some reports even said, that they try to buy German AIP propulsion and integrate it into the Amur class, but I don't think that is possible.
The rest depends on what actually is on offer, be it high tech german sensors, be it the IDAS defence system, which alows the sub to shoot a missile agains an air target (ASW aircraft or helicopter for example), or the non magnetic hull against mines. All these are features of the U212 (the more advanced version) besides more that are classified.
It was reported that a German U212 could follow a US carrier group in close distance without beeing detected by the battle group.
Brahmos theoretically should be able to be integrated, but it's not clear if another modul can be added or if this feature comes instead of the AIP propulsion, like on the French and Russian subs. Germany also has no sub launched cruise missiles on offer, but it is estimated, that the German subs that Israel bought can launch such missiles, even with nuclear payloads.
 
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New-generation Russian Amur-class diesel electric submarines are designed to destroy
enemy submarines, surface combatants and vessels, as well as to conduct reconnaissance
missions. The submarines boast noise level several times lower than that of the
submarines reputed to be the world’s most silent to date
.Amur 950/Amur 1650 submarines
are distinguished by a well-balanced weapons mix and the ability to launch salvo missile
attacks against enemy combatants. Their ammunition load includes cruise missiles,
standard torpedoes and mines. Provision is also made for a follow-on installation on
either submarine of an electrochemical air-independent propulsion plant. The AIP plant
with electrochemical generators and support systems is housed in a modular compartment
engineered for easy incorporation into the baseline submarine. Amur 950 and Amur 1650
submarines can operate in all regions of the world ocean in any weather, in both deep
and shallow waters.

Amur 1650 Submarine

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Amur 1650 is a single-hull, single-shaft submarine with two reserve propulsors. Its
torpedo/ missile weapon system comprises six 533mm torpedo launchers, 18 torpedoes and
missiles, and quick reloading system providing between-salvoes interval not exceeding
several minutes. The bow section houses a highly sensitive passive antenna array whose
area is several times greater than that of similar hydroacoustic arrays installed in any
other diesel-electric submarine
. It is supplemented by an extendable towed long-size
hydroacoustic array. In combination with the boat’s low-level noise signature they
provide guaranteed preemptive target acquisition so that the submarine can either attack
enemy combatants at a great range or evade his ASW ships in time. Submarine and its
weapons are efficiently controlled by automated command and control system with
operators’ consoles in the main control room. The system provides highspeed sensor data
exchange, processing, analysis, and presentation of the integrated information on
operators’ panels. The onboard inertial navigation system ensures safe navigation and
determination of submarine motion parameters with precision required for missile
employment. The periscope mast comprises a commander’s periscope with optical and TV
channels, optronic mast with IR camera and GPS receiving antenna. Communications system
employsa towed radio antenna to pick up covert command and information messages at a
depth of up to 100 m. The crew is accommodated in cabins with efficient air ventilation
and conditioning systems providing normal operation of the submarine in tropics and
comfortable working and living conditions in all modes of navigation.
 
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Why there is no US company attending the tender?
Well because US companies are not into SSK.

Because i think submarine technologies are still blacklisted and not to be transferred to other countries !
Moreover it operates alll nuclear force !!!
No because like said above US companies don't make SSK.

As far as Amur 1650 is considered, yeah it has good chances even better than U214 but personally i think if we wanna go for Russian sub i think we should go for Russian-Italian S1000 as it is an advanced version of Amur 1650.
 
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If this was on offer from anyone BUT Russia I'd say go for it but given Russia's track record with delivering defence equipment to India I'd wouldn't want IN to touch this offer with a barge pole. I'd like to see IN gor for the "stretched", customised Scorpene on offer for this tender.



+ interesting to nots the Amur has been made with housing Bhramos from the start. Seems to be a very India-specific designed machine as AFAIK Russia has no plan of indicting Bhramos.
 
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If this was on offer from anyone BUT Russia I'd say go for it but given Russia's track record with delivering defence equipment to India I'd wouldn't want IN to touch this offer with a barge pole. I'd like to see IN gor for the "stretched", customised Scorpene on offer for this tender.



+ interesting to nots the Amur has been made with housing Bhramos from the start. Seems to be a very India-specific designed machine as AFAIK Russia has no plan of indicting Bhramos.

There are reports that Russian wants to induct some Frigats with Brahmos missile, but generally they don't have to, because they have the Yakhont missile anyway, which is the base for Brahmos, but offers even higher range. So there isn't really an Indian specific aim, but we can be sure that they offer the freedom to customise the subs with other techs if we want.
 
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I think You guys are mistaken if you think that Amur doesnot have a chance
Infact Amur is the only sub in the competition which can carry both AIP and Brahmos , while other subs can either carry Brahmos or AIP , as was the case with Scorpene class where the first 3 subs will carry Brahmos and last 3 sub will have AIP


Also if you guys dont know , but for 25 yrs Indian Navy operated Foxtrot , Kilo class and U209 subs , and their most favorite sub was the Kilo class , not only becoz it carried KLub S cruise missiles but also it was a lot more robust and quieter than others

It was also the only sub capable of performing long endurance missions in the Indian ocean and Pacific oceans
while according to one admiral , Type 209 was only suitable for the shallow waters of Arabian sea

while Amur class is basically a next gen version of the P-636m Kilo which is still in production

link?

if it true it tells why Amur is significantly bigger and 50% heavier than type 214
 
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Another global tender!! Buyer is still the one, different seller!! It is so hard to understand, Why india like to buy something from other countries, But can't wait a moment for their domestic weapon, although it is less advanced!!
 
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Another global tender!! Buyer is still the one, different seller!! It is so hard to understand, Why india like to buy something, But can't wait a moment their domestic weapon, even less advanced!!
Research and indigenious production is going on, but we are hlagging behind. In order to catch up you don't just have inferior defence equipment until then making our defence weak. Once we have caught up with western technology, as many of these procurements come with ToT, we wont need to buy them. Just the way China did, they bought russian equipments, learned abt them and now you have robust domestic defence production.

Cheers
 
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Another global tender!! Buyer is still the one, different seller!! It is so hard to understand, Why india like to buy something from other countries, But can't wait a moment for their domestic weapon, although it is less advanced!!

are u that inane?
 
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