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Russia Welcomes China Peace Plan, Says It Is Open to Talks

This will be the last chance for peace, if failed, the war will escalate big time in no time, tens of thousands if not millions will perish soon.

What China has proposed is not a peace agreement - but a surrender document for Ukraine - lets NOT kid ourselves.

Russia should leave Ukraine - and all of Russia's problems will be solved.
 
What China has proposed is not a peace agreement - but a surrender document for Ukraine - lets NOT kid ourselves.

Russia should leave Ukraine - and all of Russia's problems will be solved.
it's something requesting compromise from both sides, a peace treaty that will surely be rejected by one or the other side is not a peace treaty.
 
it's something requesting compromise from both sides, a peace treaty that will surely be rejected by one or the other side is not a peace treaty.

You cannot compromise with invaders - you have to throw them out ... Russia is losing this one - a chinese rescue plan for russia is not flying with anyone ...

Ukraine tried to compromise/live with Russian actions in Crimea as did the rest of the west - but the Russians came back for more in last year to take another nibble.

No more ... Russia must be defeated and thrown out .. The west is quite determined on this one point now.
 
You cannot compromise with invaders - you have to throw them out ... Russia is losing this one - a chinese rescue plan for russia is not flying with anyone ...

Ukraine tried to compromise/live with Russian actions in Crimea as did the rest of the west - but the Russians came back for more in last year to take another nibble.

No more ... Russia must be defeated and thrown out .. The west is quite determined on this one point now.
Ukraine will lose if it doesn't find a way out quickly, it's getting very clear now.
 
Ukraine will lose if it doesn't find a way out quickly, it's getting very clear now.

I disagree. I believe the opposite is true. Russians have just shot their second load for the new fangled offensive - and it has failed to hit the mark.

Ukraine is now preparing its offensive and they tend to be more succesful.

The only was Russia can be saved is if China starts supplying weapons to Russia. It will be a big decision to take for China.

EU has so far resisted placing sanctions on China like the Americans want them to do as part of Americans plans to try and contain/throttle China.... If China does supply weapons to Russia - then EU sanctions will follow against China. Just what USA wants.

China has a BIG decision to make soon ... let Russia fail or let its economy face the wrath of EU sanctions if it decides to try and bail out Russia...

This "peace deal" is an attempt to avoid that decision point ...

BIG decision time for China.. BIG ..
 
I disagree. I believe the opposite is true. Russians have just shot their second load for the new fangled offensive - and it has failed to hit the mark.

Ukraine is now preparing its offensive and they tend to be more succesful.

The only was Russia can be saved is if China starts supplying weapons to Russia. It will be a big decision to take for China.

EU has so far resisted placing sanctions on China like the Americans want them to do as part of Americans plans to try and contain/throttle China.... If China does supply weapons to Russia - then EU sanctions will follow against China. Just what USA wants.

China has a BIG decision to make soon ... let Russia fail or let its economy face the wrath of EU sanctions if it decides to try and bail out Russia...

BIG decision time for China..
EU sanctions China? we dare them, their sanction against Russia had already sent them in a downward spiral and they are highly dependent on China for almost everything, if EU likes to commit suicide, by our guest.
 
I disagree. I believe the opposite is true. Russians have just shot their second load for the new fangled offensive - and it has failed to hit the mark.

Ukraine is now preparing its offensive and they tend to be more succesful.

The only was Russia can be saved is if China starts supplying weapons to Russia. It will be a big decision to take for China.

EU has so far resisted placing sanctions on China like the Americans want them to do as part of Americans plans to try and contain/throttle China.... If China does supply weapons to Russia - then EU sanctions will follow against China. Just what USA wants.

China has a BIG decision to make soon ... let Russia fail or let its economy face the wrath of EU sanctions if it decides to try and bail out Russia...

This "peace deal" is an attempt to avoid that decision point ...

BIG decision time for China.. BIG ..
Russia is winning the war, Russia can produce all weapons it needs.
 
BIG decision time for China.. BIG ..
Please, let's be honest, everyone knows which side China is on.

 
China can easily afford trade war with US and EU, there's simply no alternative global supply chain in today's world, China is sitting pretty and competition is almost non existent, but China can't afford Russia losing this war.
 

China considering supplying artillery shells to Russia, say US officials

The US has intelligence that the Chinese government is considering providing Russia with drones and ammunition for use in the war in Ukraine, according to US officials.

It does not appear that Beijing has made a final decision yet and there is no evidence that any weapon transfers have occurred, officials said.
However, negotiations between Russia and China about the price and scope of the equipment are ongoing, CNN has reported. It comes as the Russian army rapidly depletes its ammunition stocks more than a year into its invasion of Ukraine.

Moscow has repeatedly requested drones and ammunition from Beijing, the sources said, and Chinese leadership has been actively debating over the last several months whether or not to send the lethal aid, they added.

US intelligence officials believe China is now leaning towards providing the equipment, despite just yesterday calling for peace talks and urging all parties to end attacks on civilians.

The sources said the provision of drones and ammunition would likely be for small arms such as handheld weaponry rather than larger artillery.

The aid being considered consists of 122-millimetre and 152-millimetre rounds, which Russia has in dwindling supply as it prosecutes a war largely fought with artillery, the Washington Post has cited US officials as saying.

A senior US administration official said:
China has the capacity to be a game-changer.

If China were to go ahead with the transfer, it would mark the first time Beijing has provided lethal aid in the conflict despite repeated warnings from the US.

Joe Biden said on Friday that he does not “anticipate a major initiative” from China to provide weapons to Russia.
When asked if any future support would cross a red line, Biden said that the US “would respond.”

The US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, on Sunday said China may be about to provide lethal aid to help Russia in the war in Ukraine.
Blinken told US networks that the US had information China was considering whether to give Russia assistance, possibly including guns and weapons, for the Ukraine war.

China can easily afford trade war with US and EU, there's simply no alternative global supply chain in today's world, but China can't afford Russia losing this war.

Both China and the EU are walking into America's trap .... I thought the chinese were good strategic thinkers !
 
Both China and the EU are walking into America's trap .... I thought the chinese were good strategic thinkers !
China can easily afford trade war with US and EU, there's simply no alternative global supply chain in today's world, China is sitting pretty and competition is almost non existent, but China can't afford Russia losing this war.
China knows very well, if Russia falls, China will be the next.
 
Honestly speaking, a prolonged Ukraine war is in China's every benefit, China needs Russia to take the heat off China and keep US and its allies busy, and a prolonged war will drain the west and make them increasingly weaker in future competition with China.

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China can easily afford trade war with US and EU, there's simply no alternative global supply chain in today's world, China is sitting pretty and competition is almost non existent, but China can't afford Russia losing this war.
China knows very well, if Russia falls, China will be the next.

I am not convinced :) .. time will tell. We will of course agree to disagree - and history will be the judge of it all ..
 
In order to maintain its hegemony, the United States uses node countries and regions, such as Ukraine, Syria, Taiwan and Kosovo. Provoke contradictions among countries in a multipolar world in the future and trigger local wars. Drain their strength. Britain used offshore balancing to fool Europe for hundreds of years. But Asia is not Europe.

China knows very well that to maintain peace in Eurasia, Britain and the United States will inevitably be marginalized.

The United States will certainly provoke the Taiwan issue in the future. China knows that the core of the Taiwan issue is mutual consumption. Where can't we fight a protracted war? China is not Russia.
 
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