Russia urges India to line up behind China’s Belt and Road initiative (CPEC): i.e. get in line!

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Eye-opening read:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1333101
thousands of acres of agricultural land will be leased out to Chinese enterprises to set up “demonstration projects” in areas ranging from seed varieties to irrigation technology.

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...e-company-for-40-years-minister-tells-senate/
Pakistan has handed over operations of its Gwadar port to a Chinese company for a period of 40 years.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1488593/no-country-may-able-join-cpec-2020/
In the meeting with BOI, the Chinese delegates sought some more incentives from Pakistan. They also demanded pieces of land on a 99-year lease, which surprised many Pakistani officials.

The so called infrastructure projects will be majority owned by Chinese companies, not Pakistani companies. The Chinese are also building a large complex in Gwadar which will house 500,000 Chinese immigrants in a gated community in the first phase, with many more to follow over the years in three phases.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/163721-chinese-company-to-invest-500m-in-gawadar-to-build-homes
A leading Chinese investment company announced to invest $500 million in Gwadar in the first phase of a project aimed at building homes for around 500,000 incoming Chinese professionals expected in Gwadar by 2023.

Which means we are going to be developed with the help of Chinese way faster than imagined...Another China is rising on your left flank...Your call.

 

[randomradio]

Which means we are going to be developed with the help of Chinese way faster than imagined...Another China is rising on your left flank...Your call.

Like Tibet?

 

[UnitedPak]

Like Tibet?

Yes a landlocked Tibet with a 3 million population is an obvious comparison. Well done. Looking forward to your next contribution.

 

[randomradio]

Yes a landlocked Tibet with a 3 million population is an obvious comparison. Well done. Looking forward to your next contribution.

Tibet, the leadership ran away to India and setup a government in exile. Let's see if the Pakistani leadership even stands up to the Chinese when it counts. We know the Sri Lankans did not.

 

[UnitedPak]

Tibet, the leadership ran away to India and setup a government in exile. Let's see if the Pakistani leadership even stands up to the Chinese when it counts. We know the Sri Lankans did not.

Must be fun living in a fantasy world where you can turn a business deal into a role playing game about good vs evil. Grow up, please.

 

[randomradio]

Must be fun living in a fantasy world where you can turn a business deal into a role playing game about good vs evil. Grow up, please.

It's interesting you believe a contract between two countries with assured profits and sovereign guarantees is only a "business" deal.

You may not realize it now, but China and Pakistan don't have an equal deal. The Chinese have signed deals where you pay them to take your resources, sell you their goods, and provide protection to them while they are doing it. We don't call that a business deal.

Have you ever heard of the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps? Do you know what they do and which govt department they are under? Try and figure out what they are doing in Pakistan. To help you in your quest in this role playing game, I would recommend googling this esteemed organization along with "Ukraine".

 

[UnitedPak]

You may not realize it now, but China and Pakistan don't have an equal deal. The Chinese have signed deals where you pay them to take your resources, sell you their goods, and provide protection to them while they are doing it.

Even if that rant was true, then you are not doing yourself any favours by blatantly omitting the strategic benefits (having Chinese interests support our objectives in Kashmir) and connectivity we will gain (access to Central Asia, ME, Europe). Is there a monetary value to all of this?

 

[randomradio]

Even if that rant was true, then you are not doing yourself any favours by blatantly omitting the strategic benefits (having Chinese interests support our objectives in Kashmir) and connectivity we will gain (access to Central Asia, ME, Europe). Is there a monetary value to all of this?

You can get all that without having to sell yourself. You have been getting that all this while with the US. Now only the bed partner has changed, doesn't mean you write her into your will.

CPEC is about China getting an alternate access point to the Gulf and dumping Chinese goods all the way from China to the ME, they want to sucker India into it also. In return, you are giving them your market.

Do you really think Pakistan will benefit if it becomes a dumping ground for Chinese goods?

Why else do you think the Chinese have asked the Pak Army to run CPEC? They want to avoid all the hard questions Pak politicians have been posing to them.

 

[UnitedPak]

You can get all that without having to sell yourself. You have been getting that all this while with the US. Now only the bed partner has changed, doesn't mean you write her into your will.

CPEC is about China getting an alternate access point to the Gulf and dumping Chinese goods all the way from China to the ME, they want to sucker India into it also. In return, you are giving them your market.

Do you really think Pakistan will benefit if it becomes a dumping ground for Chinese goods?

Why else do you think the Chinese have asked the Pak Army to run CPEC? They want to avoid all the hard questions Pak politicians have been posing to them.

Can't find any logical arguments in your post. Just laughable expressions like "bed partners".
But you did just manage to describe CPEC as an asset worth building.

 

[neem456]

I understand that this is not going to be popular. But the wheels of change are so huge and the economic benefits are so large that India just won't be able to resist. There is a "Lucrative Offer" on the table for india by China and Russia. And that is why this meeting took place. Now it is upto india to take up with offer, and I believe that India will take up this offer.

What offer ?

Note. Russian want you to line up BEHIND China. Not in front and not to the side but BEHIND

How about middle finger to Russia and china both. Does that feel good ?

 

[Trango Towers]

What offer ?



How about middle finger to Russia and china both. Does that feel good ?

I have no idea you Indians are used to takingthe middle finger so only you can talk about it as experts

 

[Verve]

Hallucinating Hindu going absolutely berserk over Pakistan's sovereignty

 

[randomradio]

Can't find any logical arguments in your post. Just laughable expressions like "bed partners".

These are all real problems.

But you did just manage to describe CPEC as an asset worth building.

But at what cost? Anything is worth building, but what is the cost of that once it is built? Will it be like the empty ghost cities of China? Or the useless Hambantota Port?

The infrastructure that China is building will not be under Pakistani control, it will be under Chinese control. And the purpose of this infrastructure is not meant to increase the capability of the Pakistani industry, but to shut it down.

For example, all the power projects are under Chinese companies. And power is being built in surplus. They have been guaranteed profits on their equity. None of the Pakistani power plants have guaranteed profits, which means the Chinese companies can undercut them in the long term and run them out of business. Since the supply will be in surplus, the Pakistani industry won't complain. It's only a matter of time before China takes control of Pakistan's power supply. We saw how they attempted to do that with the new dam project as well, they asked for total ownership. If they control your power, they control your economy.

One rule of thumb when it comes to power: You need to be in control of it.

You are giving the Chinese control over your cities and farm land, most of your power and on massive loans that will stress your BoP. This is all simple fact that most Pakistanis are completely ignorant of. In the meanwhile, they will continue dumping their goods on you.

Do you even know what's your trade deficit with China?

 

[UnitedPak]

These are all real problems.



But at what cost? Anything is worth building, but what is the cost of that once it is built? Will it be like the empty ghost cities of China? Or the useless Hambantota Port?

The infrastructure that China is building will not be under Pakistani control, it will be under Chinese control. And the purpose of this infrastructure is not meant to increase the capability of the Pakistani industry, but to shut it down.

For example, all the power projects are under Chinese companies. And power is being built in surplus. They have been guaranteed profits on their equity. None of the Pakistani power plants have guaranteed profits, which means the Chinese companies can undercut them in the long term and run them out of business. Since the supply will be in surplus, the Pakistani industry won't complain. It's only a matter of time before China takes control of Pakistan's power supply. We saw how they attempted to do that with the new dam project as well, they asked for total ownership. If they control your power, they control your economy.

One rule of thumb when it comes to power: You need to be in control of it.

You are giving the Chinese control over your cities and farm land, most of your power and on massive loans that will stress your BoP. This is all simple fact that most Pakistanis are completely ignorant of. In the meanwhile, they will continue dumping their goods on you.

Do you even know what's your trade deficit with China?

Everything that you have said supports the argument that China is setting CPEC up for massive growth. The idea that they are building surplus power, roads, connectivity to entrap Pakistan is ridiculous. Yes, it's perfectly possible to fall into a hole with poor management, so it's not an entirely bad situation if they have put tough incentives to get CPEC going. And last I checked, the dam is not part of CPEC.

Hambantota is completely opposite to what is being achieved in CPEC. First of all CPEC is to connect by land, a massive landlocked Central Asia and Western China to middle east and the sea. You cannot bypass it like Hambantota, which was a secondary sea route.

 

[PradoTLC]

india should realise China is the daddy in the region ....

China to India: Oh fetch me my tea.. you silly coolie