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Russian military entering the capital Kyiv. the latest situation on the ground.
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Where is fighting happening and how did we get here?
He’s busy in Kyiv fighting for the Queenaziqbal is missing, anyone has seen him?
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They help Ukraine with manpad, Cool. When they can actually give Ukrainian F-16 and M1, if they want. I think China is more reliable than US. At least they gave Pakistani 50 JF-17, not manpad when Pakistan had trouble with NATO some years ago.
Those drone are useless against a proper military forces. They are only good against AK-47 armed ISIS fighters or militants who cant fight back against UCAV.
Ukraine's Turkish-made drones face off against advanced Russian military - Breaking Defense
A drone used in combat against adversaries with weak air defense systems now faces a far more capable military.breakingdefense.com
Ukraine’s Turkish-made drones face off against advanced Russian military
A drone used in combat against adversaries with weak air defense systems now faces a far more capable military.
By ANDREW EVERSDENon February 25, 2022 at 11:41 AM
A TB2 Bayraktar takes flight. (Bayraktar)
WASHINGTON: As the unprovoked Russian invasion of Ukraine continues to unfold, the Ukrainian military has flown a Turkish-made drone that has garnered attention in recent years for its tank-killing capabilities.
The Ukrainian Armed Forces Facebook page announced that its troops launched Turkish-made TB2 Bayraktars, a medium-sized tactical unmanned aerial vehicle that can carry anti-tank missiles, as the Russian military invaded in the early hours Thursday morning.
According to the Baykar website, the TB2 UAV can fly up to 138 miles per hour and can carry four smart munitions, or up to 330 pounds. It can also carry an ISR payload. The drone is about 39 feet long with a wingspan of 21 feet with an operational altitude is 18,000 feet. It has also notably seen real-world action, providing a sense of what its capabilities and drawbacks are on the battlefield.
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The TB2 Bayraktar has been deployed in several conflicts in recent years. The Turkish government has used the system against both Syrian and Kurdish forces in the Middle East. It was also employed by the Azerbaijani military against Armenian forces in the Nagorno-Karabakh War in 2020, where the UAV was known for its success targeting Armenian air defense systems and tanks, largely older Russian-made equipment. But the outcome may be different against a more modern military.
“We learned from Nagorno-Karabakh that when countries have the capacity to operate armed drones on the battlefield, and air defenses are less of a concern, that drones can play an important role in anti-armor warfare,” said Michael Horowitz, a professor at University of Pennsylvania.
But while the drone proved itself useful in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict in 2020 and in Syria, it now faces a much more capable adversary.
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Mark Cancian, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, recently wrote in an op-ed for Breaking Defense that a conflict between Russia and Ukraine would provide insight into the usefulness of the modern tank on the battlefield, an aspect of land warfare that has been questioned by some experts in the aftermath of the Nagorno-Karabakh War. Reuters, citing research from London-based think tank International Institute for Strategic Studies, reported that Russia is estimated to have 2,840 main battle tanks.
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“It’s different because you have two opponents who have more sophisticated militaries than what you had in Nagorno-Karabakh,” Cancian said in an interview. “The Russians, of course, have a pretty much top notch military.”
Sam Bendett, a Russian military expert who works as an adviser to the CNA think tank, said that “The Russian military has claimed that Bayraktars will not necessarily be a big threat to a force like Russia, because of Russia’s advanced early warning radars, advanced electronic warfare capabilities, and its layered air defense.”
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He noted that the TB2 drones’ successes in Syria and Nagorno-Karabakh came against older Soviet-made air defense systems because its low-flying and not built for speed, which makes it more vulnerable to advanced air defense systems. The United States and its allies have also provided Ukrainian forces with Javelin’s to defend against Russian tanks.
“So they could see Bayraktars from afar, they could identify it faster, and they could launch several types of countermeasures against it,” Bendett said.
Russian state media said Thursday that its military had shot down four TB2s, although claims of success in Ukraine from both sides of the conflict are hard to prove at this point.
Ukraine bought six TB2 UAVs from Turkish drone-maker Baykar for $69 million in 2019, according to Defense News, with the first drone delivered to the Ukrainian Navy in July last year. In October, the UAV was used against a Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine’s eastern Donbass region, the first time it was used by the Ukrainian military in combat. The Ukrainian government signaled it was wants to buy 24 more TB2 drones, and since agreed with Turkey to co-produce the drone at a facility in Ukraine, Defense News reported.
For the last several years, according to a 2021 report on the Russian military from CNA, Moscow has studied the conflicts in Syria and the Nagorno-Karabakh and learned the challenges that drones could provide on the battlefield. Since then, Bendett said, the electronic warfare and counter-UAS training are nearly “synonymous.” According to a report from the Washington Post, the Russia’s Defense Ministry has posted photos of counter-TB2 training.
“They [the Russian military] are aware that Bayraktar is the most advanced tactical UAV in the employ of the Ukrainian military, and they’ve also been learning and practicing how to deal with that threat,” Bendett said.
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According to Western propaganda media & ukraine propagandist.
“The Russians were indiscriminately targeting civilians"
But this tiktok video from the frontline, showing us the opposite
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aziqbal is missing, anyone has seen him?
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I am baffled by Russia's decision to go balls deep in Ukraine. Is it satisfying to do it? Heck yes. But as @MarKoz81 has noted in his excellent analysis, the best case scenario for Russia is to become a nuclear equipped henchman of the PRC. Is it really worth it for Putin to go all in and...
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Seems like the Ukrainian forces are getting decimated , where is NATO? This is becoming like destruction of the Armenian armed forces, a very one sided war. Good to see the Russians are avoiding civilian losses as best as they can.
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What I said before... Ukraine reaction is pretty much same as Indian 27 Feb and onwards"Phattt thay gaye hey par chasss bari aye hey"
Check Twitter LOL Americans and Canadians literally bashing Indians after UN voting ... one of the tweets by an American influencer.... India is a nation headed by a terror nazi regime oppressing minorities and killing Muslims. India has zero guts to condemn Russia
The only good thing to come out of this fiasco.
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Giving Ukraine high value assets right now would be like TOT for free to Russians. Dammit.
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It is late now. They should gave those advanced weapons prior of this conflict, to deter Russian Invasion. Plus, western Ukraine still untouched by Russian. This means, these areas can still become Ukrainian base to establish their command and control in this desperate situation.
Remember what happen in WW2 in China. When Japan attacked Nanjing, Chiang moved his capital from Nanjing to Chengdu. So why won't Ukrainian don't do that? They should establish new capital and military command in western Ukrainian. With that, Kiev will lose it's relevant in this invasion. And they can establish contact with their NATO allies to get more help in term of weaponry.
With the president stay in Kiev and Kiev is under attack right now, Russia will gain a lot of prestige when Kiev is captured. At maybe the war will over with Russian victory. As Ukraine lost their government foothold.
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After Kiev Liberated by Russians and Half of their Army pushed back or trapped near Donbass Pocket.
You will see the Moral of Ukrainian forces getting low down & desertions will be much more common.
What Ukraine needs are hundreds of Long Range SAM, MBT, IFV. Fighters, Heavily Armed Drones, and Ballistic Missiles.
Instead NATO only give them Online support and cheap manpads & ATGM
Germany itself only send non-lethal supply, like Helmet. WTF !- Status
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