Russia to expel 23 British diplomats, close consulate general in St. Petersburg

[ptldM3]

They are not your allies. they won't go to war for you, hell they won't even vote against sanctions in many cases.
LOL regional thug thinks doing business with someone countries equates to being allies. They are transactional relationships. You have no allies, nobody wants to be Russian, nobody gives two S__ about your leader butchering your own citizens, nobody cares about you ruski troll factory worker

“America’s allies” have just be saying lovely things about America as of late. America is one of the most hated countries on this planet, no country in their right mind besides maybe British and Polish rejects would join the US in a war. Even France refused in Iraq and things have only deteriorated since.

Countries such as Pakistan and Egypt are now in the Russian sphere of influence. Countries such as Israel is coming to Russia more and more.

 

[takeitwithyou]

you are not obliged to accept this view point and should you not accept this view point, I wish no punitive action to be taken against you... all I would seek is a discussion/debate...

can the same be said of the accusation by the UK against Russia regarding the Salisbury incident . . . ?

Nope can't be said the same, my friend, because UN is also getting ready to levy sanctions or admonishment to Russia. Even that won't matter to you- short of Russian confessing- you won't be convinced. I only hope the same works for your theory on terror acts in Pakatan.

 

[TMA]

So basically, just another conspiratorial 'lad' in UK but with a familar twist. I look for you similar opinions elsewhere of presumed innocence and not guilty because of 'one side' investigation and not going through proper channels.

Hopefully, your high bar applies to incidents happening in your country Pakistan. I guess you would call terrorist acts as one side investigations there too? or would it be limited to- I suspect in cases-- like OBL being caught in Pakistan as being fake/not proper channel/one-sided investigation or let me guess 911 being an inside job.

regarding OBL is Pakistan - I know that the Pakistani government accepted the official story...but since when is the Pakistani government honest...? I as an individual human do not have to accept what this government or that government says.... All I would ask regarding this matter is how can we reconcile Benazir Bhutto's interview to Frost before her murder where she talks about the man who killed OBL? If her words are true, this implies that OBL was dead before the SEAL raid into Abbottabad...or maybe she was mistaken..?? The only way to have known was if the body of the "alleged" OBL from the raid was kept...instead they dumped his body over the sea and asked us to take their word for it...like they asked us to take their word for Iraq's WMD's...??

9/11 is a long talk man...remember being legal and being true are not necessarily the same thing...

Nope can't be said the same, my friend, because UN is also getting ready to levy sanctions or admonishment to Russia. Even that won't matter to you- short of Russian confessing- you won't be convinced. I only hope the same works for your theory on terror acts in Pakatan.

this levying of sanctions does not mean proof of guilt... there is a difference....

 

[takeitwithyou]

“America’s allies” have just be saying lovely things about America as of late. America is one of the most hated countries on this planet, no country in their right mind besides maybe British and Polish rejects would join the US in a war. Even France refused in Iraq and things have only deteriorated since.

Countries such as Pakistan and Egypt are now in the Russian sphere of influence. Countries such as Israel is coming to Russia more and more.

this one took the cake. Isreal is 'coming ' to Russia more and people say mean words about us. oh of course Egypt that depends on our billions in aid is leaning toward you. Transactionally only, every one transactionally only.

You have less than a 1.5 trillion GDP, you are a nobody a nothing burger! That still makes you with zero allies. We still are the sole hyperpower, with military bases all over the world, surrounding you and NATO that always comes to our help if we get attacked.

Things have got stronger, you know why- more and more ex-USSR countries are asking to join NATO or have joined NATO.

 

[Muhammed45]

 

[TMA]

“America’s allies” have just be saying lovely things about America as of late. America is one of the most hated countries on this planet, no country in their right mind besides maybe British and Polish rejects would join the US in a war. Even France refused in Iraq and things have only deteriorated since.

Countries such as Pakistan and Egypt are now in the Russian sphere of influence. Countries such as Israel is coming to Russia more and more.

Pakistan is not fully in Russian sphere...although I would like her to be ...but Pakistan has corrupt and insincere officials who are "coconuts"... so called "House Negro" of Malcolm X...

 

[takeitwithyou]

regarding OBL is Pakistan - I know that the Pakistani government accepted the official story...but since when is the Pakistani government honest...? I as an individual human do not have to accept what this government or that government says.... All I would ask regarding this matter is how can we reconcile Benazir Bhutto's interview to Frost before her murder where she talks about the man who killed OBL? If her words are true, this implies that OBL was dead before the SEAL raid into Abbottabad...or maybe she was mistaken..?? The only way to have known was if the body of the "alleged" OBL from the raid was kept...instead they dumped his body over the sea and asked us to take their word for it...like they asked us to take their word for Iraq's WMD's...??

9/11 is a long talk man...remember being legal and being true are not necessarily the same thing...


this levying of sanctions does not mean proof of guilt... there is a difference....

Bingo. I knew it. OBL fake/ 911 fake/Russian UK attack fake. Just for sake of curiosity- Did the kids get killed in the school in Pakistan or was that fake too?

 

[TMA]

Bingo. I knew it. OBL fake/ 911 fake/Russian UK attack fake. Just for sake of curiosity- Did the kids get killed in the school in Pakistan or was that fake too?

Did you read what I wrote? Do you know that Benazir Bhutto talked to Frost on an interview about the man who killed OBL?? What is the implication of this ?? Does this not raise questions in your mind? What is your method of reconciling (apparent) contradictions?? Do you just take this view over the other??
Is it my government, right or wrong?? Is that your methodology?

Do you disagree that being legal and being true are not the same??

 

[Wolfhunter]

You cant fight even with somalia without USA on your back..

Oh ho, did I hit a nerve?

 

[takeitwithyou]

Did you read what I wrote? Do you know that Benazir Bhutto talked to Frost on an interview about the man who killed OBL?? What is the implication of this ?? Does this not raise questions in your mind? What is your method of reconciling (apparent) contradictions?? Do you just take this view over the other??
Is it my government, right or wrong?? Is that your methodology?

Do you disagree that being legal and being true are not the same??

Did she go through to proper channels by further submitting proof; seems like a one-sided investigation by you based on a comment in an interview?

I asked you a question. You can answer or take a mulligan. I get you think OBL fake/ 911 fake/Russian UK attack fake. Just for sake of curiosity- Did the kids get killed in the school in Pakistan or was that fake too?

 

[vostok]

Vostok, I am sure you realise, those who have power in the modern west hate and utterly despise Russia, even from times before. And let me tell you a big part of this is because Russia is Christian.
Unfortunately many a lay man has been brainwashed with this Russo-phobia which is a big part of this "war" against Russia. It is difficult to have a discussion without resorting to insults...sad..

There is a global turning-point in the world right now. The West has no chance to start a world war so that it does not directly affect their territory (as it was in the First and Second World Wars). Of course, Western elites are nervous - their world hegemony is coming to an end. They do not imagine they will have to negotiate with other nations, (as it was in the times of the USSR) rather then just give orders to everyone.

 

[ptldM3]

this one took the cake. Isreal is 'coming ' to Russia more and people say mean words about us. oh of course Egypt that depends on our billions in aid is leaning toward you. Transactionally only, every one transactionally only.

You have less than a 1.5 trillion GDP, you are a nobody a nothing burger! That still makes you with zero allies. We still are the sole hyperpower, with military bases all over the world, surrounding you and NATO that always comes to our help if we get attacked.

Things have got stronger, you know why- more and more ex-USSR countries are asking to join NATO or have joined NATO.

The US, despite the economy, can hardly win a war against peasants, if ever, so all those bases, “allies” and money means nothing. More countries especially in Europe are turning away from American and Most of NATO will never help the US, many NATO countries have too many differences and disagreement and they would simply be bogged down if not outright destroyed if they ever tried entering Russia. NATO can’t win in Afghanistan then NATO surely would be barried in Russia.


The Japanese want the US out of their country, just as many other countries do. US soldiers bring murder, rape, drunkness, drugs and fights.

Kryzekstan already kicked Americans out of the country.

 

[TMA]

Did she go through to proper channels by further submitting proof; seems like a one-sided investigation by you based on a comment in an interview?

I asked you a question. You can answer or take a mulligan. I get you think OBL fake/ 911 fake/Russian UK attack fake. Just for sake of curiosity- Did the kids get killed in the school in Pakistan or was that fake too?

You are correct, she may have got the wrong information. Absolutely! But equally was there a non unilateral open investigation into the raid? Was the body produced as evidence? No!! So basically they are asking us to take their word for it...and am I obliged to take their word for it?? Is it reasonable for me to not take their word for it?-

You have not answered many of the questions I had originally raised, but instead asked more and more questions somewhat tangential to the original discussion. May I ask why? Is this a method of avoidance?
Will you answer the original questions??

Now coming to the tangential question of "Did the kids get killed in the school in Pakistan or was that fake too?"


You have said that I consider the OBL SEAL raid in 2011 to be fake. I wish to clarify - I accept that there was a SEAL raid in Abbottabad in 2011, what I do not accept is that this raid involved killing OBL (that is not to say he was killed or not or indeed other people were killed or not). I have given my reason for not accepting this specific point above. (Do note I am open to changing this viewpoint, if something more than the word of the US government or the Pakistani government is put forth but since the best evidence was dumped into the sea it looks difficult...and indeed suspicious...).

Having made this clarification, I accept that there was an attack on a school in Peshawar. And I accept children were killed as their bodies were not dumped in the sea. Do you see the difference? If the bodies of the children were not produced, one would reasonably be suspicious of the murder of the children and it would be reasonable to reject that children were killed in this attack...??
Coming back to the original point: Salisbury incidence. Please do not confuse the issue. I do accept there was an attack on a British and a Russian citizen with chemical weapons in Salisbury. What my issue is that the accusation it was a Russian state sanctioned attack is just that, an accusation and not proof.

 

[waz]

Don't mind some pakistani members on here. As @Kaptaan and @waz said some Pakistanis seem to think Russia is their new found boyfriend, reason they support Russia and bash Britain or any other country that might be having issues with Russia. Lol
Never mind that Britain has always been a far more relibale and helpful ally for Pakistan, however Britain being oart of the West is also a problem since many of them also despise the West dominance of World affairs and in extension the U.K as well. Its a tricky one.

Oh yes just look at how much Russia invests in Pakistan, no wait how about the brother Gulf countries including Saudi, oh no what happened?

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1662219/2-fdi-grows-132-340-8m-china-dominates/

According to the central bank data, China remained the single largest foreign investor with a net investment of $174.4 million in February, followed by the United Kingdom with $87.4 million, Hong Kong with $32.5 million, Switzerland with $9 million and Italy with $8 million.

At least the Chinese put their money where their heart/speech is, and oh look the British are there in second place.

 

[khail007]

We can discuss each of these genocides, rapes and state-backed torture by diseased russian soldiers.

Sir ... also take a look at this
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2031992,00.html