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Russia is running out of money. President Vladimir Putin is taking a strategic gamble, depleting the Kremlin's last reserve funds to cover the budget and to pay for an escalating war in Syria at the same time.

The three big rating agencies have all issued alerts over recent days, warning that the country's public finances are deteriorating fast and furiously. There is no prospect of an oil revival as long as Saudi Arabia continues to flood the market. Russia cannot borrow abroad at a viable cost.

Standard & Poor's says the budget deficit will balloon to 4.4pc of GDP this year, including short-falls in local government spending and social security. The government has committed a further $40bn to bailing out the banking system.

Deficits on this scale are manageable for rich economies with deep capital markets. It is another story for Russia in the midst of a commodity slump and a geopolitical showdown with the West. Oil and gas revenues cover half the budget.

"They can't afford to run deficits at all. By the end of next year there won’t be any money left in the oil reserve fund," said Lubomir Mitov from Unicredit. The finance ministry admits that the funds will be exhausted within sixteen months on current policies.

Alexei Kudrin, the former finance minister, said the Kremlin has no means of raising large loans to ride out the oil bust. The pool of internal savings is pitifully small.

Any attempt to raise funds from the banking system would aggravate the credit crunch. He described the latest efforts to squeeze more money out of Russia's energy companies as the "end of the road".

Mr Kudrin resigned in 2011 in protest over Russia's military build-up, fearing that it would test public finances to breaking point. Events are unfolding much as he suggested.

Russia is pressing ahead with massive rearmament, pushing defence spending towards 5pc of GDP and risking the sort of military overstretch that bankrupted the Soviet Union.

The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute said the military budget for 2014 rose 8.1pc in real terms to $84bn as the Kremlin took delivery of new Su-34 long-range combat aircraft and S-400 surface-to-air missile systems.

It is to rise by another 15pc this year, led by a 60pc surge in arms procurement. This is an astonishing ambition at a time when the economy is in deep crisis, contracting by 4.6pc over the last twelve months.

Mr Putin paired back the plans earlier this year but has since restored the original target, telling a VTB Capital forum this week that the economy has hit bottom and "things are looking up."

Diplomats say the reality is that wars in Syria and Ukraine are eating into the budget. Cruise missiles are not cheap.

Mr Putin knows he cannot count on oil and gas any longer, belatedly recognizing that shale technology in the US threatens to cap crude prices for a decade or more, and has effectively destroyed Russia's petro-power business model.

The Kremlin has gone back to the drawing board, working from the Spartan assumption that oil will remain stuck at $50 a barrel for the next three years.

It could be even worse. Russia's central bank warned in a report that it may take $30 oil to stop the US shale juggernaut.

The central bank’s “risk scenario” talks of a new era of sub-$40 crude that would entrench the current depression. “Under these conditions, GDP could fall by more than 5pc in 2016,” it said.

Mr Putin claims to have an ace up his sleeve: Russia will fall back on industrial self-reliance and import substitution. “Our policies are not frozen. They adapt to circumstances,” he said.

The Kremlin is launching a radical plan to slash imports across twenty key sectors within five years, ranging from heavy machinery to electrical engineering, photonics, cars, tractors, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, and food.

The targets are drastic. Reliance on foreign farm and forestry machinery is to be cut by 56pc, food processing by 53pc, and engineering equipment by 34pc. State procurement contracts will be steered to companies that produce in the country, whether or not they compete on quality.

But the switch-over costs money that the government does not have. Viktor Semenov from the Belaya Dacha Group said his agro-conglomerate is raking in big subsidies to grow lettuces in the Siberian heartland of Novosibirsk, relying on heated greenhouses to fight temperatures of minus 20 degrees.

"We're building 250 hectares of hothouses a year on my farms," he said. Whether it makes sense is anybody's guess. The same vegetables could be imported more cheaply from Turkey.

Trade experts are already shaking their heads. Such a reflex usually means a country is going badly off the rails, though Germany pulled it off with macabre success in the 1930s. “In most of the cases I have known import substitution policies have failed. They degrade the economy," said Pascal Lamy, former head of the World Trade Organisation.

Russia has pockets of excellence - currently on display in the Syrian theatre - but the engineering and industrial base of the Soviet era has largely been hollowed out by an overvalued rouble during the commodity boom.

It has been a textbook case of the Dutch Disease. Many of the best engineers and technicians have emigrated in a chronic brain-drain. Russian economists say it is far from clear whether the country can suddenly pirouette and manufacture the machines itself.

Vladislav Inozemtsev, from the Center for Post-Industrial Studies in Moscow, said the likely outcome is a retreat into autarky and pauperised decline, ending in withdrawal from the global trading system. “This way leads us towards a quasi-Soviet economy detached from the world and, at the same time, proud of its autarky; towards a deteriorating economy which compensates for the drop in living standards with pervasive propaganda,” he wrote.

Mr Putin is counting on a 50pc devaluation since early 2014 to restore lost competitiveness and ignite a manufacturing renaissance. Having presided over a destructively-strong rouble for a decade, he has now embraced the virtues of a weak currency with the zeal of the converted.

Oleg Deripaska, chief of the aluminium group Rusal, said it is wishful thinking to suppose that a cheap rouble can kick-start an economy caught in a tangle of red-tape, crying out for root-and-branch reform and the rule of law.

“We should stop looking at the exchange rate and give some thought to the economic policy we really need. Nobody is going to borrow at 12pc in hard currency to invest,” he said.

The chief effect has been to shrink the Russian economy in global terms. “GDP was $2.3 trillion at the peak. It is now $1.2 trillion, and I fear we are going back to the level of 1998 when it was $700bn,” he said.

This would be smaller than Holland ($850bn) or half the size of Texas ($1.4 trillion), a remarkable state of affairs for a country vying for superpower military status in Europe and the Middle East.

Igor Sechin, the head of oil giant Rosneft, said devaluation is a false strategy, adding sarcastically that if it was so good to halve the rouble from 30 to 60 against the dollar, why not just keep going and push it all the way to 100. “That would be a dream wouldn’t it?” he said.

In a sense, Mr Putin has little choice. He cannot afford burn through foreign reserves to defend the rouble. They have already fallen from $520bn to $371bn. Standard & Poor's said two-fifths of this money is ear-marked for other functions and cannot be deemed "usable".

These reserves look large on paper but are near the minimum safe levels needed to uphold confidence and to cover foreign debt redemptions of Russian companies, running at $12bn to $15bn a quarter.

What is clear is that Russia’s attempt to reinvent itself as an industrial tiger will take years to bear fruit, it it is possible at all. The early evidence is dismal, though Ford has announced that it will start building engines for the Fiesta later this year at its Russian joint venture in Elabuga.

Non-energy exports plunged by 25pc in the third quarter. “This is a vivid illustration of the economy’s deep recession and lack of competitiveness,” said Eldar Vakhitov from BNP Paribas.

“Theoretically, rouble weakness should have supported competitiveness of non-oil exports; in reality, it did not help at all,” he said. Russia's capital stock is so badly eroded that the devaluation may leak into price rises and 'stagflation' without boosting output.

Elvira Nabiullina, the central bank governor, said the floating rouble had acted as “shock absorber” when the crisis hit. It is a pre-condition for recovery, but is not enough in itself without deep reform. “We have to swallow the bitter pill,” she said.

What is disturbing is that companies have seen a rise in windfall profits of almost 40pc this year from devaluation but investment has dropped by 6.7pc. They are paying off debt and battening down the hatches instead. “Why are they not investing? This is the main question for economic policy in Russia,” she said at the VTB Capital forum.

Polls suggest that Mr Putin remains popular but the full force of the crisis has only started to hit home, and he can no longer keep putting off the choice between guns and butter. Real incomes have dropped by 9.8pc over the last year. Food prices have jumped 17pc.

Ivan Starikov, the former deputy economy minister, said the true inflation rate is near 30pc. “We are rapidly approaching the fateful mark where of 50pc of the average Russian family's income will be spent on food. We have again become a country of poor people,” he said.

Russia retreats to autarky as poverty looms - Telegraph
 
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Putin the stupid sack of chit. tries to mess with internal Ottoman affairs with his crap army of vodka addicts. LOL!

no Money left for vodka.

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Russia is running out of money. President Vladimir Putin is taking a strategic gamble, depleting the Kremlin's last reserve funds to cover the budget and to pay for an escalating war in Syria at the same time.

The three big rating agencies have all issued alerts over recent days, warning that the country's public finances are deteriorating fast and furiously. There is no prospect of an oil revival as long as Saudi Arabia continues to flood the market. Russia cannot borrow abroad at a viable cost.

Standard & Poor's says the budget deficit will balloon to 4.4pc of GDP this year, including short-falls in local government spending and social security. The government has committed a further $40bn to bailing out the banking system.

Deficits on this scale are manageable for rich economies with deep capital markets. It is another story for Russia in the midst of a commodity slump and a geopolitical showdown with the West. Oil and gas revenues cover half the budget.

"They can't afford to run deficits at all. By the end of next year there won’t be any money left in the oil reserve fund," said Lubomir Mitov from Unicredit. The finance ministry admits that the funds will be exhausted within sixteen months on current policies.

Alexei Kudrin, the former finance minister, said the Kremlin has no means of raising large loans to ride out the oil bust. The pool of internal savings is pitifully small.

Any attempt to raise funds from the banking system would aggravate the credit crunch. He described the latest efforts to squeeze more money out of Russia's energy companies as the "end of the road".

Mr Kudrin resigned in 2011 in protest over Russia's military build-up, fearing that it would test public finances to breaking point. Events are unfolding much as he suggested.

Russia is pressing ahead with massive rearmament, pushing defence spending towards 5pc of GDP and risking the sort of military overstretch that bankrupted the Soviet Union.

The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute said the military budget for 2014 rose 8.1pc in real terms to $84bn as the Kremlin took delivery of new Su-34 long-range combat aircraft and S-400 surface-to-air missile systems.

It is to rise by another 15pc this year, led by a 60pc surge in arms procurement. This is an astonishing ambition at a time when the economy is in deep crisis, contracting by 4.6pc over the last twelve months.

Mr Putin paired back the plans earlier this year but has since restored the original target, telling a VTB Capital forum this week that the economy has hit bottom and "things are looking up."

Diplomats say the reality is that wars in Syria and Ukraine are eating into the budget. Cruise missiles are not cheap.

Mr Putin knows he cannot count on oil and gas any longer, belatedly recognizing that shale technology in the US threatens to cap crude prices for a decade or more, and has effectively destroyed Russia's petro-power business model.

The Kremlin has gone back to the drawing board, working from the Spartan assumption that oil will remain stuck at $50 a barrel for the next three years.

It could be even worse. Russia's central bank warned in a report that it may take $30 oil to stop the US shale juggernaut.

The central bank’s “risk scenario” talks of a new era of sub-$40 crude that would entrench the current depression. “Under these conditions, GDP could fall by more than 5pc in 2016,” it said.

Mr Putin claims to have an ace up his sleeve: Russia will fall back on industrial self-reliance and import substitution. “Our policies are not frozen. They adapt to circumstances,” he said.

The Kremlin is launching a radical plan to slash imports across twenty key sectors within five years, ranging from heavy machinery to electrical engineering, photonics, cars, tractors, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, and food.

The targets are drastic. Reliance on foreign farm and forestry machinery is to be cut by 56pc, food processing by 53pc, and engineering equipment by 34pc. State procurement contracts will be steered to companies that produce in the country, whether or not they compete on quality.

But the switch-over costs money that the government does not have. Viktor Semenov from the Belaya Dacha Group said his agro-conglomerate is raking in big subsidies to grow lettuces in the Siberian heartland of Novosibirsk, relying on heated greenhouses to fight temperatures of minus 20 degrees.

"We're building 250 hectares of hothouses a year on my farms," he said. Whether it makes sense is anybody's guess. The same vegetables could be imported more cheaply from Turkey.

Trade experts are already shaking their heads. Such a reflex usually means a country is going badly off the rails, though Germany pulled it off with macabre success in the 1930s. “In most of the cases I have known import substitution policies have failed. They degrade the economy," said Pascal Lamy, former head of the World Trade Organisation.

Russia has pockets of excellence - currently on display in the Syrian theatre - but the engineering and industrial base of the Soviet era has largely been hollowed out by an overvalued rouble during the commodity boom.

It has been a textbook case of the Dutch Disease. Many of the best engineers and technicians have emigrated in a chronic brain-drain. Russian economists say it is far from clear whether the country can suddenly pirouette and manufacture the machines itself.

Vladislav Inozemtsev, from the Center for Post-Industrial Studies in Moscow, said the likely outcome is a retreat into autarky and pauperised decline, ending in withdrawal from the global trading system. “This way leads us towards a quasi-Soviet economy detached from the world and, at the same time, proud of its autarky; towards a deteriorating economy which compensates for the drop in living standards with pervasive propaganda,” he wrote.

Mr Putin is counting on a 50pc devaluation since early 2014 to restore lost competitiveness and ignite a manufacturing renaissance. Having presided over a destructively-strong rouble for a decade, he has now embraced the virtues of a weak currency with the zeal of the converted.

Oleg Deripaska, chief of the aluminium group Rusal, said it is wishful thinking to suppose that a cheap rouble can kick-start an economy caught in a tangle of red-tape, crying out for root-and-branch reform and the rule of law.

“We should stop looking at the exchange rate and give some thought to the economic policy we really need. Nobody is going to borrow at 12pc in hard currency to invest,” he said.

The chief effect has been to shrink the Russian economy in global terms. “GDP was $2.3 trillion at the peak. It is now $1.2 trillion, and I fear we are going back to the level of 1998 when it was $700bn,” he said.

This would be smaller than Holland ($850bn) or half the size of Texas ($1.4 trillion), a remarkable state of affairs for a country vying for superpower military status in Europe and the Middle East.

Igor Sechin, the head of oil giant Rosneft, said devaluation is a false strategy, adding sarcastically that if it was so good to halve the rouble from 30 to 60 against the dollar, why not just keep going and push it all the way to 100. “That would be a dream wouldn’t it?” he said.

In a sense, Mr Putin has little choice. He cannot afford burn through foreign reserves to defend the rouble. They have already fallen from $520bn to $371bn. Standard & Poor's said two-fifths of this money is ear-marked for other functions and cannot be deemed "usable".

These reserves look large on paper but are near the minimum safe levels needed to uphold confidence and to cover foreign debt redemptions of Russian companies, running at $12bn to $15bn a quarter.

What is clear is that Russia’s attempt to reinvent itself as an industrial tiger will take years to bear fruit, it it is possible at all. The early evidence is dismal, though Ford has announced that it will start building engines for the Fiesta later this year at its Russian joint venture in Elabuga.

Non-energy exports plunged by 25pc in the third quarter. “This is a vivid illustration of the economy’s deep recession and lack of competitiveness,” said Eldar Vakhitov from BNP Paribas.

“Theoretically, rouble weakness should have supported competitiveness of non-oil exports; in reality, it did not help at all,” he said. Russia's capital stock is so badly eroded that the devaluation may leak into price rises and 'stagflation' without boosting output.

Elvira Nabiullina, the central bank governor, said the floating rouble had acted as “shock absorber” when the crisis hit. It is a pre-condition for recovery, but is not enough in itself without deep reform. “We have to swallow the bitter pill,” she said.

What is disturbing is that companies have seen a rise in windfall profits of almost 40pc this year from devaluation but investment has dropped by 6.7pc. They are paying off debt and battening down the hatches instead. “Why are they not investing? This is the main question for economic policy in Russia,” she said at the VTB Capital forum.

Polls suggest that Mr Putin remains popular but the full force of the crisis has only started to hit home, and he can no longer keep putting off the choice between guns and butter. Real incomes have dropped by 9.8pc over the last year. Food prices have jumped 17pc.

Ivan Starikov, the former deputy economy minister, said the true inflation rate is near 30pc. “We are rapidly approaching the fateful mark where of 50pc of the average Russian family's income will be spent on food. We have again become a country of poor people,” he said.

Russia retreats to autarky as poverty looms - Telegraph
Autarky? Why not? It's possible and its been done before. The Nazis were able to successfully achieve it in Germany during the 1930's and that too when Germany doesn't even possess any natural resources besides coal.

Russia on the other hand has an abundance of natural resources and thus can easily sustain an autarkic economic model.
 
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Putin the stupid sack of chit. tries to mess with internal Ottoman affairs with his crap army of vodka addicts. LOL!

no Money left for vodka.



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Dude, I think you have over exaggerated. As a matter of fact, Russia's economy is more than twice that of Turkey's and they have an abundance of natural resources to keep their economy afloat.

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Dude, I think you have over exaggerated. As a matter of fact, Russia's economy is more than twice that of Turkey's and they have an abundance of natural resources to keep their economy afloat.

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You chinese fanboys seem to be lesser intelligent than others.

Turkey has a Population of 75 Million and nearly Zero natural resources. Turkey has GDP of 800 Billion, while the chithole called russia has more than 140 Million inhabitants in their filthy zoo and just 1,1 Trillion GDP (LOL) even with huge natural recources! (double LOL!)

GDP per capita 2015. According to the IMF!

Turkey citizens: 9.290,00 $

russia citizens: 8.447,00 $

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

average Turk earns now 843 Dollars MORE than average russian!!!

HAHAHA

LOL!!!!
 
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Wow... turks "earns now 843 Dollars MORE than average russian!!!" So what? Seriously, you turks have nothing to do with intelligence. Better give it up. .
 
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You chinese fanboys seem to be lesser intelligent than others.

Turkey has a Population of 75 Million and nearly Zero natural resources. Turkey has GDP of 800 Billion, while the chithole called russia has more than 140 Million inhabitants in their filthy zoo and just 1,1 Trillion GDP (LOL) even with huge natural recources! (double LOL!)

GDP per capita 2015. According to the IMF!

Turkey citizens: 9.290,00 $

russia citizens: 8.447,00 $

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

average Turk earns now 843 Dollars MORE than average russian!!!

HAHAHA

LOL!!!!

Based on your link, the average Turks also earn more than the average Chinese.

Since it's a bad thing to have a larger land mass, population and natural resources, That automatically makes Turkey the stronger of the three economy right?

I guess we should all clap and cheer for newly found supa powa eh? :lol:

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List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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The us and Europe put sanctions on the wrong. Turkey should have unlimited sanctions due to the fact that they are supporting the western enemies and trying to steal land from Syria. Russia is a more convienient target for the political correctness advocate. They should have sanctions on food, medicine and trade in order to starve out the Turkish population
 
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Well independent of what oil prices are a barrel today (and the situation in Ukraine) the fact is electric vehicles have gone from a market of basically ZERO to today where they are the "hot new thing". Also we'll probably be hearing about somebody having a fusion ignition soon.

Oil staying at $100/barrel is flat-out doomed.

Russia should be implementing a new strategy just on these facts.
 
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Nevertheless, slow industrial growth (0,6%) continue in Russia. We must move away from the fake western model, where the economy depends on the stock exchanges and banks, and not on real production.
 
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Wow... turks "earns now 843 Dollars MORE than average russian!!!" So what? Seriously, you turks have nothing to do with intelligence. Better give it up. .

i feel strong butthurt in you. Keep it up.

Based on your link, the average Turks also earn more than the average Chinese.

Since it's a bad thing to have a larger land mass, population and natural resources, That automatically makes Turkey the stronger of the three economy right?

I guess we should all clap and cheer for newly found supa powa eh? :lol:

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List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It simply means the average Turk has a much better life and Turkey has better human development index than chitholes like russia or China.

you chinese harvested your slave like People and destroyed your Environment with industry Toxine for a life which is less worth than that of the average TURK! LOL!!!!!!

The us and Europe put sanctions on the wrong. Turkey should have unlimited sanctions due to the fact that they are supporting the western enemies and trying to steal land from Syria. Russia is a more convienient target for the political correctness advocate. They should have sanctions on food, medicine and trade in order to starve out the Turkish population

Turkey supported FSA turkmen brigades. We are in line with NATO and US policies. If you want to put Embargo on Turkey as chinese than please do it NOW! because that will improove turkish economy and give us a boost when we get rid of your low Quality chinese toxic plastic chit!

Nevertheless, slow industrial growth (0,6%) continue in Russia. We must move away from the fake western model, where the economy depends on the stock exchanges and banks, and not on real production.

You are deluding yourself with this Statement. This has nothing to do with western model economy. Turkey has also western model economy and we are doing fine. 2,6% growth this year without oil Revenue!!!!

Your russian Population is simply not reliable workforce and you can´t produce chit because you lack proper education. Your russian universities are chit.
 
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Well, nominal gdp is quite a bullshit to say, PPP is really the must, when camparing living standards (what can one really afford in his life) (say, CIA doesn't even calculate 'nominal' at all): Turkey= 19, Russia = 24 so relax alil
List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On the track then
..it will all lead to such western shitheaded rats like 'supea best of the universe' minister of finance, central bank like Elvira Nabiullina, Ulyukaev to be kicked off (to their homelands - USA) and then Russia really start to develop itself, period!
 
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Well, nominal gdp is quite a bullshit to say, PPP is really the must, when camparing living standards (what can one really afford in his life) (say, CIA doesn't even calculate 'nominal' at all): Trukeu= 19, Russia = 24 so relax alil
List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your list is from 2014, rsuky :)

We are now in 2015.

9.290,00 $ Turkey
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8.447,00 $ russia

Turkish market , Services and products:

japanese woman loving turkish products


and now russky Food...yes you can afford it!! LOL

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Nevertheless, slow industrial growth (0,6%) continue in Russia. We must move away from the fake western model, where the economy depends on the stock exchanges and banks, and not on real production.

The economy might seems to take a hit due to low oil price, reduced trade with EU, etc. however the economic fundamentals still sound, hence the outlook should still be optimistic.

When say economy takes a hit that means "economic activities", suffers short-term drop in revenues and bear deficits, however the many reserves (excluding Forex) are still intact. Russia still has a super-strong "balance sheet" that most countries cannot match i.e. the natural reserves including many untapped ones. By using new tech, introducing better infrastructure, Russia maybe able to expand commercial exploration, hence monetizing on those untapped assets.

Talking about reserves, Russia also has a well-established foundation of human capital, infrastructure and industrial assets. With the right catalysts like currency, FDI (non-dollar, of course) or marketing expertise, these assets are going to deliver their value. In the short run, expanding industrial exports is a viable mean to quickly revitalize the economy. Russia has always been a major exporter of say in high-value added defense products, this advantage might very well be expanded to existing/new markets favoring Russian supplies.

On defense expenditure, if a fair share of domestic revenue is being reinvested back into domestic industry, this is not an issue. The extra expenditure in Ukraine and Syria are temporary hikes, and moreover that will potentially facilitate exports particularly the defense products.
 
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The economy might seems to take a hit due to low oil price, reduced trade with EU, etc. however the economic fundamentals still sound, hence the outlook should still be optimistic.

When say economy takes a hit that means "economic activities", suffers short-term drop in revenues and bear deficits, however the many reserves (excluding Forex) are still intact. Russia still has a super-strong "balance sheet" that most countries cannot match i.e. the natural reserves including many untapped ones. By using new tech, introducing better infrastructure, Russia maybe able to expand commercial exploration, hence monetizing on those untapped assets.

Talking about reserves, Russia also has a well-established foundation of human capital, infrastructure and industrial assets. With the right catalysts like currency, FDI (non-dollar, of course) or marketing expertise, these assets are going to deliver their value. In the short run, expanding industrial exports is a viable mean to quickly revitalize the economy. Russia has always been a major exporter of say in high-value added defense products, this advantage might very well be expanded to existing/new markets favoring Russian supplies.

On defense expenditure, if a fair share of domestic revenue is being reinvested back into domestic industry, this is not an issue. The extra expenditure in Ukraine and Syria are temporary hikes, and moreover that will potentially facilitate exports particularly the defense products.
...yep, just as me said bofore there's just one major problem in the country (fcuking tumor) , it's people like Nabiulina, Ulyukaev, Medvedev and such; they're realy holding the Russia down...so kinda West gonna 'kill' those puppets soon (they are going even more ahated now)
 
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