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Russia Mulls Upgrading Su-57 to 6th Generation Fighter Jet
The Su-57 has the potential to be a 6th-generation fighter jet, the former head of the Russian Aerospace Force claims.

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By Franz-Stefan Gady
November 01, 2017


Russia’s first indigenously designed and built fifth-generation stealth fighter, the Su-57, could be turned into a sixth-generation fighter aircraft, the former head of the Russian Aerospace Force, Viktor Bondarev told TASS news agency on November.

“This is actually a splendid plane and it can embrace both fifth-and sixth-generation features. It has huge modernization potential,” Bondarev, now chairman of the Federation Council Defense and Security Committee, said. “Importantly, it is the best among the existing versions by its stealth characteristics. It incorporates all the best that is available in modern aviation science both in Russia and in the world,” he added.

As I reported in July 2016, Russian defense officials have repeatedly claimed that hardware elements designed for a future sixth generation fighter have been tested on the Su-57 prototype, including flight and navigation systems as well as advanced electronic warfare and radar systems.

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Russia revealed for the first time the design of a new sixth generation fighter aircraft in March 2016 (See: “Russia Reveals First Design of New 6th Generation Fighter”). The new aircraft is slated to be available in manned and unmanned configuration, and could take to the air for the first time in the late 2020s, according to Russian defense officials.

Meanwhile, work on the Su-57 is continuing. Bodarek cautioned that it will take time for the new aircraft to be introduced into service. “In the first year, the Aerospace Force won’t get 20 or 15 planes. It will get only two or three and so on,” he said on November 1. The service is currently testing nine Su-57 prototypes with two additional aircraft expected to be delivered to the service by the end 2017.

Doubts remain as to whether the Su-57 is genuinely a fifth-generation fighter aircraft. The Su-57 reportedly is a multirole, single seat, twin-engine air superiority/deep air support fighter poised to replace the Russian Aerospace Force’s MiG-29s and Su-27s. “The Su-57 will be armed with beyond visual range air-to-air missiles as well as of air-to-ground missiles including the extended range Kh-35UE tactical cruise missile,” I explainedpreviously.

It can also be armed with nuclear-capable cruise missiles.

One of the chief technical problems that still need to be resolved is designing and producing a next-generation engine for the Su-57, as I noted:

As of now, Su-57 prototypes are equipped with a derivative of the Saturn AL-41F1S engine, dubbed AL-41F1, an engine also installed on the Sukhoi Su-35S Flanker-E.

While the Su-57 was slated to conduct its maiden flight this year, a new engine— the next-generation Saturn izdeliye 30 — will reportedly not be ready until 2020.

According to Russian defense sources, experimental design work on the Su-57 will not be completed until 2019
https://thediplomat.com/2017/11/russia-mulls-upgrading-su-57-to-6th-generation-fighter-jet/
 
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Russia Mulls Upgrading Su-57 to 6th Generation Fighter Jet
The Su-57 has the potential to be a 6th-generation fighter jet, the former head of the Russian Aerospace Force claims.

thediplomat_2015-01-06_12-04-00-36x36.jpg

By Franz-Stefan Gady
November 01, 2017


Russia’s first indigenously designed and built fifth-generation stealth fighter, the Su-57, could be turned into a sixth-generation fighter aircraft, the former head of the Russian Aerospace Force, Viktor Bondarev told TASS news agency on November.

“This is actually a splendid plane and it can embrace both fifth-and sixth-generation features. It has huge modernization potential,” Bondarev, now chairman of the Federation Council Defense and Security Committee, said. “Importantly, it is the best among the existing versions by its stealth characteristics. It incorporates all the best that is available in modern aviation science both in Russia and in the world,” he added.

As I reported in July 2016, Russian defense officials have repeatedly claimed that hardware elements designed for a future sixth generation fighter have been tested on the Su-57 prototype, including flight and navigation systems as well as advanced electronic warfare and radar systems.

Enjoying this article? Click here to subscribe for full access. Just $5 a month.
Russia revealed for the first time the design of a new sixth generation fighter aircraft in March 2016 (See: “Russia Reveals First Design of New 6th Generation Fighter”). The new aircraft is slated to be available in manned and unmanned configuration, and could take to the air for the first time in the late 2020s, according to Russian defense officials.

Meanwhile, work on the Su-57 is continuing. Bodarek cautioned that it will take time for the new aircraft to be introduced into service. “In the first year, the Aerospace Force won’t get 20 or 15 planes. It will get only two or three and so on,” he said on November 1. The service is currently testing nine Su-57 prototypes with two additional aircraft expected to be delivered to the service by the end 2017.

Doubts remain as to whether the Su-57 is genuinely a fifth-generation fighter aircraft. The Su-57 reportedly is a multirole, single seat, twin-engine air superiority/deep air support fighter poised to replace the Russian Aerospace Force’s MiG-29s and Su-27s. “The Su-57 will be armed with beyond visual range air-to-air missiles as well as of air-to-ground missiles including the extended range Kh-35UE tactical cruise missile,” I explainedpreviously.

It can also be armed with nuclear-capable cruise missiles.

One of the chief technical problems that still need to be resolved is designing and producing a next-generation engine for the Su-57, as I noted:

As of now, Su-57 prototypes are equipped with a derivative of the Saturn AL-41F1S engine, dubbed AL-41F1, an engine also installed on the Sukhoi Su-35S Flanker-E.

While the Su-57 was slated to conduct its maiden flight this year, a new engine— the next-generation Saturn izdeliye 30 — will reportedly not be ready until 2020.

According to Russian defense sources, experimental design work on the Su-57 will not be completed until 2019
https://thediplomat.com/2017/11/russia-mulls-upgrading-su-57-to-6th-generation-fighter-jet/

First they have to prove they have genuine 5th gen bird then world will believe that they can built 6th gen in future.
 
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First they have to prove they have genuine 5th gen bird then world will believe that they can built 6th gen in future.

It is a 5th gen bird. 5th gen avionics. Stealth. Supercruise.
 
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It is a 5th gen bird. 5th gen avionics. Stealth. Supercruise.
partial/ head on stealth, at the rear more exposed to radar and IR sensors, Avionics it has upgraded avionics from Su-35, current/interim engine have not ability to super cruise, projected/production version izdeliye 30 will have the super cruise capability @Frostbite :angel:

No such thing as 6th gen unless nuclear powered engine.
nuclear powered engine will be too dangerous for pilot, need massive shielding because of radioactivity, and if the nuclear engine fails destroy in elsewhere it will be the disaster for life and also that engine continually spiting radioactive material throughout it flight @undertakerwwefan :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall: you're not looking the nuclear engine in long term may be 80-100 year @undertakerwwefan :crazy::crazy:
 
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partial/ head on stealth, at the rear more exposed to radar and IR sensors, Avionics it has upgraded avionics from Su-35, current/interim engine have not ability to super cruise, projected/production version izdeliye 30 will have the super cruise capability @Frostbite :angel:


nuclear powered engine will be too dangerous for pilot, need massive shielding because of radioactivity, and if the nuclear engine fails destroy in elsewhere it will be the disaster for life and also that engine continually spiting radioactive material throughout it flight @undertakerwwefan :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall: you're not looking the nuclear engine in long term may be 80-100 year @undertakerwwefan :crazy::crazy:
Nope. This engine is full supercruise. Either way, the F-35 doesn't have true super cruise and we still call it 5th gen.

When the su 57 is done, the back will be fully serrated like the F-35. The back of the F-35 is round too

Some of the avionics equipment was tested in the su 47 5th gen tec demonstrator. It was always intended for the 5th gen jet. But was also installed in the su 35.

Russia is just trying to say that the su 57 with the phase 2 engine is intended to go head to head against the NEXT US fighter. Which the US will probably call a 6th gen.
 
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Nope. This engine is full supercruise. Either way, the F-35 doesn't have true super cruise and we still call it 5th gen.

When the su 57 is done, the back will be fully serrated like the F-35. The back of the F-35 is round too

Some of the avionics equipment was tested in the su 47 5th gen tec demonstrator. It was always intended for the 5th gen jet. But was also installed in the su 35.

Russia is just trying to say that the su 57 with the phase 2 engine is intended to go head to head against the NEXT US fighter. Which the US will probably call a 6th gen.
No give me source that said with current AL-41F1 Su-57 can supercruise, F-35 uses high bypass ratio turbofan that why its not able to supercruise, and for USAF supercruise isn't necessary for 5th and upcoming 6th gen


and when you that next russian turbofan engine is for US 6th gen jets, please give me source that product 30 engine from russia is for US 6th gen jet, you're hilarious/ridculous @Frostbite :lol::enjoy:

They can't make proper 5th gen jet and you're talking about russian 6th gen jet:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall: they starting tobe mass produce after 2050 @Frostbite :sarcastic::lol::enjoy:
 
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Its not on par with 5th gen birds that is why Russia is not mass producing to required numbers.

That is complete and total nonsense driven by some hack articles from Business Insider that are full of blatant counter factuals and mistranslations.

Not on par eh. Tell me what's not on par.

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No give me source that said with current AL-41F1 Su-57 can supercruise, F-35 uses high bypass ratio turbofan that why its not able to supercruise, and for USAF supercruise isn't necessary for 5th and upcoming 6th gen


and when you that next russian turbofan engine is for US 6th gen jets, please give me source that product 30 engine from russia is for US 6th gen jet, you're hilarious/ridculous @Frostbite :lol::enjoy:

They can't make proper 5th gen jet and you're talking about russian 6th gen jet:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall: they starting tobe mass produce after 2050 @Frostbite :sarcastic::lol::enjoy:

Look at what you just did. You just ex'd out supercruise because the F-35 doesn't have it and you are telling ME that Russia cant make a proper 5th gen ? Not worth a further reply.
 
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That is complete and total nonsense driven by some hack articles from Business Insider that are full of blatant counter factuals and mistranslations.

Not on par eh. Tell me what's not on par.

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Compare Su-57 to F-22 not F-35, SU-57 is more comparable to F-22 than a F-35 but in the front of F-22 Su-57 do nothing but destroyed @Frostbite :lol::enjoy:

Look at what you just did. You just ex'd out supercruise because the F-35 doesn't have it and you are telling ME that Russia cant make a proper 5th gen ? Not worth a further reply.
you're another baseless troller here on PDF like @undertakerwwefan Su-57 is worst 5th gen design all the military experts and respected world defense site said @Frostbite :lol::enjoy:
 
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That is complete and total nonsense driven by some hack articles from Business Insider that are full of blatant counter factuals and mistranslations.

Not on par eh. Tell me what's not on par.

su47vsf352_2_by_kgb950-dcj6fyp.png




Look at what you just did. You just ex'd out supercruise because the F-35 doesn't have it and you are telling ME that Russia cant make a proper 5th gen ? Not worth a further reply.

If we're comparing apples to apples, comparison should be between su 57 & f 22; tmk the raptor was the air superiority benchmark (f 35 wasn't meant to fill that role).

I'm not sure of su 57 networking capabilities, would appreciate some insight.

Edit: ah, @pakistanipower beat me to it :-)
 
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Six gen has to have some VERY distinct features from 5th gen. Unless there is nuclear powered engine or plasma stealth or some shit like that, I doubt there will ever be a sixth gen plane. The future of air warfare is anti terrorism. And unmanned planes is the way to go.
 
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No give me source that said with current AL-41F1 Su-57 can supercruise, F-35 uses high bypass ratio turbofan that why its not able to supercruise, and for USAF supercruise isn't necessary for 5th and upcoming 6th gen


and when you that next russian turbofan engine is for US 6th gen jets, please give me source that product 30 engine from russia is for US 6th gen jet, you're hilarious/ridculous @Frostbite :lol::enjoy:

They can't make proper 5th gen jet and you're talking about russian 6th gen jet:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall: they starting tobe mass produce after 2050 @Frostbite :sarcastic::lol::enjoy:
I read somewhere that f-35 can supercruise at mach 1.2 for about 150 miles.
 
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