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Russia is now the biggest European Economy in the World surpassing germany after the US, China, India and Japan.


Russia has also almost a high gdp per capita now like greece and surpassed estonia both are counted as first World countries by many organizations. Despite all the negativity towards russia and many external attacks russia faced, it managed to get first world standards on its one without any help like other Western allies received and are still receiving.

Russia in the 21st century a country you can look up to
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Russia may be an economic powerhouse, but it's no China
PwC says Russia will be Europe's biggest economy by 2030 – I say it is hampered by its politics and uncompetitiveness



read that and laugh your *** off and realize how russophobic the western press is.

Russia is to become Europe's leading economy by 2030, surpassing Germany, and pushing the UK out of the top 10 by 2050, according to a new report titled Brics and Beyond released by PricewaterhouseCoopers. But should we believe them?

It's not to say that Russia isn't able to become a leader. The largest oil producer in the world, and with its 2011 GDP (PPP) ranking just below Germany, Russia does seem like a candidate to become Europe's leading economy by 2030 and stay that way well into 2050. But that's only if you make a prognosis based on the utopia that strict economic policies, not politics, rule these wintery lands.

To understand what Europe would look like with Russia at its economic helm, one must take a closer look at the way Russia deals with money. One should also have sedatives close to hand while reviewing the figures. Russia has become one of the most corrupt countries in the world, and is barely making an effort to hide it. For instance, one of the Sochi 2014 Olympic projects – a 50 km road – costs nearly $8bn. A theatre (Bolshoi, to be precise) is being renovated for $750m. The list goes on.


If Europe's current economic leader, Germany, is currently associated with its policy of austerity, Russia is known for precisely the opposite. And here you're inevitably faced with a question: how would the Russian government act if it became a leading European economy and faced a crisis like the one in we have now in the eurozone, considering that this government has allowed the construction of a $160m/km road? Of course, big building projects are a universal means of corruption (although not to this extent), but it's just one of the factors that prevents Russia from becoming a leader by 2030.

Putin's key argument with Russian people boils down to "you became wealthier with me at the helm", a trick where the steady rise of oil revenues (in reality due to increased consumption in China and an unstable Middle East) is attributed to Putin's successful policies. The reality is that this country would have raised its GDP even with a 10-year-old as president (as long as he was smart enough not to stop the flow of oil and gas).

It's interesting how two of the projected 2050 leaders – world leader China and European leader Russia – are way behind on democracy. But if China's experience in restricting internet access and curbing political freedom, all while assembling millions of iPhones and being a key player on the global market, seems to contradict the principle that democracy brings economic prosperity, Russia's interior policy is almost designed to keep its economy back.

The main difference between these two members of Brics is that Chinese politics caters to its economy, with the communist model being modified to accommodate a localised version of capitalism, while in Russia, the economy caters to politics. Putin's politics.

Here's a question: who would want a Russian-made car, when even Russians don't want them? Another one: who wants to fly Russian aeroplanes, when even in Russia people choose to fly on a Boeing or Airbus? But these huge industries still exist, resembling Frankenstein's monsters of Soviet industrial might, brought to life by heavy injections of oil money and created by businesses that ultimately cannot produce a competitive product.

It goes against almost every aspect of economic, market-oriented logic, but it has nothing to do with the economy, because it aims to keep the workforce loyal to the government and project an image of a neo-Soviet industrial power. So is securing votes at the cost of your country's economic development today a strategy worthy of someone who is going to lead the European economy in seventeen years? Is the strategy even smart?

Sheer market analysis and formula-based approach works with the more predictable countries – those who try to adhere to a specific model of development, and are successful at it. Russia, although a candidate to become Europe's leading economy judging by the growth of its PPP, is still a country that can take an unpredictable turn and is likely to never find a path to European economic leadership, regardless of its proven oil and gas reserves, strategic location or any other benefits it might have. If Russia is going to become a leading European economy by 2030, it certainly needs to fix its own economy – something this country's current leadership is unlikely to attain.


If russia manages to get this goal done which was supposed to be in 20 years it says a lot about russia or alot about western europe especially the current leader germany. Thanks to german austerity greece is now at the same living standard like russia.
 
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PPP - why is it not considered not as important as nominal?
 
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PPP - why is it not considered not as important as nominal?

Nominal determines a country's economic capacity in world market, as compared to PPP which only gives domestic purchasing power. For example India is 3rd biggest in PPP, while Canada is 13th, with India almost thrice of Canada. But if both use same ratio of their GDP for foreign purchase, both would have similar purchasing power in world market owing to same nominal GDP size. Thus it is nominal which matters more in international market.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product

The level of GDP in different countries may be compared by converting their value in national currency according to either the current currency exchange rate, or the purchasing power parity exchange rate.

Current currency exchange rate is the exchange rate in the international currency market.
Purchasing power parity exchange rate is the exchange rate based on the purchasing power parity (PPP) of a currency relative to a selected standard (usually the United States dollar). This is a comparative (and theoretical) exchange rate, the only way to directly realize this rate is to sell an entire CPI basket in one country, convert the cash at the currency market rate & then rebuy that same basket of goods in the other country (with the converted cash). Going from country to country, the distribution of prices within the basket will vary; typically, non-tradable purchases will consume a greater proportion of the basket's total cost in the higher GDP country, per the Balassa-Samuelson effect.

The ranking of countries may differ significantly based on which method is used.

The current exchange rate method converts the value of goods and services using global currency exchange rates. The method can offer better indications of a country's international purchasing power and relative economic strength. For instance, if 10% of GDP is being spent on buying hi-tech foreign arms, the number of weapons purchased is entirely governed by current exchange rates, since arms are a traded product bought on the international market. There is no meaningful 'local' price distinct from the international price for high technology goods.
The purchasing power parity method accounts for the relative effective domestic purchasing power of the average producer or consumer within an economy. The method can provide a better indicator of the living standards of less developed countries, because it compensates for the weakness of local currencies in the international markets. For example, India ranks 10th by nominal GDP, but 3rd by PPP. The PPP method of GDP conversion is more relevant to non-traded goods and services.

There is a clear pattern of the purchasing power parity method decreasing the disparity in GDP between high and low income (GDP) countries, as compared to the current exchange rate method. This finding is called the Penn effect.
 
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Russia has the potential of being number one. A vast country with the World's largest reserves of minerals, natural gas and petroleum and a highly scientifically advanced population, there is no reason for this country not be economically rich.
 
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Nominal determines a countries economic capacity in world market, as compared to PPP which only gives domestic purchasing power. For example India is 3rd biggest in PPP, while Canada is 13th, with India almost thrice of Canada. But if both use same ratio of their GDP for foreign purchase, both would have similar purchasing power in world market owing to same nominal GDP size. Thus it is nominal which matters more in international market.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product

so why is Japan printing money risking its devaluation of its currency and therefor nominal GDP if nominal gdp is more important for international power? The truth is nominal gdp values economy based on the value of its currency but not all the value what it produces. India and russia constantly had to downgrade and still downgrading their currency in comparison to dollar or euro but it never meant the countries are less producing. The less valued toyota which is going to be produced in japan for less dollars doesnt mean it has worse technology after devaluation.

Western economies are all now printing money, decrease interest rates and are devaluing their currencies in a currency war because they know not value of their currency is important but how much you produce. Having lower nominal gdp means in fact your cheaper for the world to export and getting more investments and tourists because youre cheaper. If a country has the PPP rate it can easily get the nominal rate too, but if a country has higher nominal it usually ends in a bubble, youre more vulnerable in losing your economic nominal value and youre having less growth in importing more and less exporting.

Japan is best example nominal gdp went up in the 90s and in this time it had this problems of no growth, the nominal gdp was almost as big as the US. And it really looked like japan could really surpass the US but everyone who looked at the PP value could predict the crash, after the crash in 1996 nominal gdp stayed that way for a decade. Only in 2010 they managed to get at 1995 level again. Yet if you look at PPP value japan looks like a normal country which grew a bit less in comparison to the US which is probably contributed to the high valued yen.

Same for brazil once they had higher nominal gdp they got all this problems which they have now, and so it is with the eurozone which has still more nominal gdp than ppp.
 
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so why is Japan printing money risking its devaluation of its currency and therefor nominal GDP if nominal gdp is more important for international power? The truth is nominal gdp values economy based on the value of its currency but not all the value what it produces. India and russia constantly had to downgrade and still downgrading their currency in comparison to dollar or euro but it never meant the countries are less producing. The less valued toyota japan which is going to be produced for less dollars doesnt mean it has worse technology after devaluation.

Western economies are all now printing money, decrease interest rates and are devaluing their currencies in a currency war because they know not value of their currency is important but how much you produce. Having lower nominal gdp means in fact your cheaper for the world to export and getting more investments and tourists because youre cheaper.

You are mixing up two things. Having lower currency value helps with exports/tourism. Having higher nominal GDP means having better purchasing power in the world market.

I didn't say one is better than other. I only replied to question that why it is nominal GDP that is compared and not PPP. If some country lose value of its currency, it would have better export chances. But it would also loose its economic weight. For example, German economy has more weight in the world than India, despite Indian economy being bigger in PPP. It has nothing to do with the opportunities Indian economy has with lower currency values.

When you compare the economies of countries, you don't say that one country has lower valued currency than other so it has better export prospect. You just compare them, and say that this country has smaller economy and this has bigger. Pros and Cons of having smaller or bigger economy is different discussion.
 
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Russia is only where it is because of the hundreds of billions of dollars a year from oil and gas exports.
 
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Russia is only where it is because of the hundreds of billions of dollars a year from oil and gas exports.

So? Some nations are even more resource rich, yet fail to capitalize. Not to mention Russia's defence industry is faring better than dying UK and Bengali defence industry. UK is done for, so is Bengladesh. Russia has a future.
 
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I think the appearance of Moscow and St-Petersburg should remain classic European as much as possible, all cities with a bunch of glass high-rise buildings like those in Shanghai or Shenzhen are freaking boring.

Unless you're from the country side, then it's exciting as exciting as a kitten riding a tricycle (NOW THAT'S EXCITING :D)
 
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You are mixing up two things. Having lower currency value helps with exports/tourism. Having higher nominal GDP means having better purchasing power in the world market.

I didn't say one is better than other. I only replied to question that why it is nominal GDP that is compared and not PPP. If some country lose value of its currency, it would have better export chances. But it would also loose its economic weight. For example, German economy has more weight in the world than India, despite Indian economy being bigger in PPP. It has nothing to do with the opportunities Indian economy has with lower currency values.

of course india has more economic weight than germany it has 1.2 billion people who need food, stand up everyday and do something its logical that india has bigger economy and more economic activity than germany. But of course for 1 billion people thats not enough to have significant living standard to challenge german industries and other advanced economies, if indian economy would be one day like chinas succeeding 7 or 10 trillion you will see a lot of change would have taken place and people would view indias economic weight differently.
 
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