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MOSCOW — Brushing aside pleas and warnings from President Obama and other senior Americans, Russia granted Edward J. Snowden temporary asylum and allowed him to walk free out of a Moscow airport transit zone on Thursday despite the risk of a breach in relations with the United States.

Russia’s decision, which infuriated American officials, ended five weeks of legal limbo for Mr. Snowden, the former intelligence analyst wanted by the United States for leaking details of the National Security Agency’s surveillance programs, and opened a new phase of his legal and political odyssey.

Even as his leaks continued with new disclosures from the computer files he downloaded, Mr. Snowden now has legal permission to live — and conceivably even work — anywhere here for as long as a year, safely out of the reach of American prosecutors. Though some supporters expect him to seek permanent sanctuary elsewhere, possibly in Latin America, Mr. Snowden now has an international platform to continue defending his actions as a whistle-blower exposing wrongdoing by the American government.

In a statement issued by WikiLeaks, the antisecrecy organization that has been assisting him since he made his disclosures in June, Mr. Snowden thanked Russia for giving him permission to enter the country “in accordance with its laws and international obligations.” He accused the Obama administration of disregarding domestic and international law since his disclosures, but added that “in the end, the law is winning.”

White House officials indicated that Mr. Obama was leaning against his plan to meet President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia in Moscow next month after the summit meeting of the Group of 20 nations in St. Petersburg, though officials stopped short of canceling the meeting outright. While American and Russian officials acknowledge the need to work together on issues of global importance, like the reduction of nuclear weapons and the war in Syria, Mr. Snowden’s case now casts a shadow over relations in the way little has since the days of cold war defections.

“We are extremely disappointed that the Russian Federation would take this step,” the White House press secretary, Jay Carney, said in Washington. He pointedly added that the administration was evaluating “the utility of having a summit.”

Mr. Putin, who spent the day at his official residence on the outskirts of Moscow, has appeared increasingly impervious to entreaties from the United States — even those directly from Mr. Obama, who called him last month to discuss Mr. Snowden’s case.

Mr. Putin, who met with the president of Tajikistan, in part to discuss the impact of the American withdrawal from Afghanistan next year, made no public comments about Mr. Snowden on Thursday. The Kremlin’s spokesman, Dmitri S. Peskov, said the decision had been made by immigration officials and not by Mr. Putin himself, though it is widely assumed here that any decision with such potentially severe diplomatic consequences would require approval from the Kremlin.

“It has nothing to do with the president or his administration,” Mr. Peskov said in a telephone interview.

The Kremlin seemed to dare the White House to cancel the summit meeting. Mr. Peskov said that Russia continued to prepare to hold the meetings in Moscow and would until notified otherwise. He said that Russia believed in the importance of the relationship for ensuring regional and global security, but he shifted the onus to the Obama administration. “You cannot dance tango alone,” he said.

By late Thursday night, Mr. Snowden’s whereabouts remained unclear. He left the international transit zone at Sheremetyevo airport unexpectedly at 3:30 p.m. after his lawyer, Anatoly G. Kucherena, spent the day with officials from the Federal Migration Service. Mr. Kucherena delivered him a passport-like document issued Wednesday and valid until July 31, 2014, granting him status as a “temporary refugee” in Russia.

Mr. Kucherena, in an interview, said he would not disclose Mr. Snowden’s whereabouts, though he expected that he could make a public appearance soon. “I cannot give out details,” he said in an interview.

WikiLeaks said that Mr. Snowden was accompanied by one of its representatives, Sarah Harrison, who appears to have remained with him since his flight began in Hong Kong in June. Mr. Kucherena said in television interviews that while he would continue to act as counsel, he was not involved in arrangements for Mr. Snowden’s housing in Russia.

Mr. Snowden, 30, could still decide to seek permanent asylum in another country. According to Mr. Kucherena, he has not officially applied for permanent political asylum in Russia and could simply remain until he is able to fly elsewhere, though the logistics of that have been complicated by intense pressure from the Obama administration on countries to block his transit.

After Mr. Snowden’s departure from the Moscow airport on Thursday there was frenzied news media speculation, including one specious report that he was headed to a notorious expatriate bar known as the Hungry Duck that had in fact closed.

Mr. Snowden’s official arrival in Russia was broadly cheered by many here who have defended his decision to leak the secrets of American surveillance. Ivan Melnikov, a senior Communist Party member of Parliament and a candidate for mayor of Moscow in next month’s election, called him a hero. “Frankly speaking,” Mr. Melnikov said, according to the Interfax news agency, he is “like a balm to the hearts of all Russian patriots.”

Pavel Durov, the founder of the most prominent Russian online social network, VKontakte, even invited Mr. Snowden to join his company and help create new security measures. “Snowden might be interested in working to protect the personal data of millions of our users,” he wrote.

Lyudmila M. Alekseyeva, the head of the Moscow Helsinki Group and a stalwart of the human rights movement here since the Soviet era, welcomed the government’s decision. “I am satisfied that this happened,” Ms. Alekseyeva, who met Secretary of State John Kerry in Moscow in May, told Interfax.

Although Mr. Putin has sought to avoid a personal confrontation with Mr. Obama over Mr. Snowden — calling his limbo in the airport “an unwanted Christmas present” — officials across the political spectrum have delighted in criticizing what they perceive as American arrogance and hypocrisy. Robert Shlegel, a member of Parliament in the pro-Kremlin majority party, United Russia, noted that the disclosures exposed surveillance efforts against American allies in Europe as well.

“Will Obama cancel meetings with their leaders, too?” he said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/world/europe/edward-snowden-russia.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0




Russia saying F U too the West since 882 A.D:flame:
 
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I wonder how many of his unreleased documents Snowden will be quietly expected to hand over to Russian Intelligence in exchange, while also (by Putin's order) not being able to release it to the western audiences he (Snowden) wanted to protect in the first place, for having his visa extended beyond that year...
 
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Oh man, Obama regime must be fuming right about now. . .

talk about a slap in the face

but then again, Americans and Russians have been spying on eachother and back-stabbing eachother for much of the past 45-50 years.

Americans are so perturbed over the domestic espionage program that perhaps they are too upset with their own regime than to be upset with Mr. President Vlad

Snowden will probably live shyt scared for the rest of his life. He has no nationality, and the man apparently knows too much. That's pretty fuckin dangerous position to be in.
 
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Oh man, Obama regime must be fuming right about now. . .

talk about a slap in the face

but then again, Americans and Russians have been spying on eachother and back-stabbing eachother for much of the past 45-50 years.

Americans are so perturbed over the domestic espionage program that perhaps they are too upset with their own regime than to be upset with Mr. President Vlad

Snowden will probably live shyt scared for the rest of his life. He has no nationality, and the man apparently knows too much. That's pretty fuckin dangerous position to be in.

I really doubt the US is going to assasinate him, whereever he ends up.
And I applaud that (if it holds true).
 
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I wonder how many of his unreleased documents Snowden will be quietly expected to hand over to Russian Intelligence in exchange, while also (by Putin's order) not being able to release it to the western audiences he (Snowden) wanted to protect in the first place, for having his visa extended beyond that year...

in public, President Vlad said "in exchange for his stay in Russia we dont want him to do anything that will cause deterioration of relations with US"


but obviously in PRIVATE, I'm sure Russian intel and their equivalent of the NSA will be trying to have some words with him......so it will be seen if he really is a traitor or not


and to be fair here -- Russia isn't exactly a paragon of "civil liberties" or "freedom of speech" either....but in this day and age during these dangerous times, few countries (if any) are tolerating dissent very well when it involves national security



Eric Snowden joins the list --- Robert Hansen, Alexander Litvinenko, etc (though the latter died in London of 'poisoning')
 
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in public, President Vlad said "in exchange for his stay in Russia we dont want him to do anything that will cause deterioration of relations with US"


but obviously in PRIVATE, I'm sure Russian intel and their equivalent of the NSA will be trying to have some words with him......so it will be seen if he really is a traitor or not


and to be fair here -- Russia isn't exactly a paragon of "civil liberties" or "freedom of speech" either....but in this day and age during these dangerous times, few countries (if any) are tolerating dissent very well when it involves national security



Eric Snowden joins the list --- Robert Hansen, Alexander Litvinenko, etc (though the latter died in London of 'poisoning')

I bet Russian Intelligence will be copying all of the US.gov spying on Americans tricks/tools, to be used on all Russians..

And I bet anyone in Russia reporting on such (new) Russian intelligence gathering of it's own citizens (and government critics!), is in much more mortal risk than Snowden is from the US..
 
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I bet Russian Intelligence will be copying all of the US.gov spying on Americans tricks/tools, to be used on all Russians..

And I bet anyone in Russia reporting on such (new) Russian intelligence gathering of it's own citizens (and government critics!), is in much more mortal risk than Snowden is from the US..

If the Russian Intelligence services are anything like the Soviet Era KGB, then I'm sure they already spy on its citizens to the exact same extent as the Americans do.

2 sides of the same coin really. . .

The granting of asylum was a snub to the US. The Cold War is re-igniting again, question is how far will it go. The war in Syria and other "geo-political" issues are where US and Russia are at total logger-heads
 
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If the Russian Intelligence services are anything like the Soviet Era KGB, then I'm sure they already spy on its citizens to the exact same extent as the Americans do.

They probably are, if they kill dissidents by radiation poisoning.
Darn, never heard of a clean bullet to the head, Russians??

2 sides of the same coin really. . .

The granting of asylum was a snub to the US. The Cold War is re-igniting again, question is how far will it go. The war in Syria and other "geo-political" issues are where US and Russia are at total logger-heads

Several other countries (like Iran and Turkey) are "involved" in Syria as well.
It's already a proxy war in Syria beyond reasonable hope of being ended soon :undecided::what::hitwall::argh::angry::ashamed:

As for a re-ignition of the cold war, I'm pretty sure the current generation of US and Russian leaders play a playful game of inciting and fostering a measure of domestic nationalism through relatively gentle mass-media pokes and prods back and forth. I sure hope those prods stay as gentle as this Snowden story.. :)
 
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They probably are, if they kill dissidents by radiation poisoning.
Darn, never heard of a clean bullet to the head, Russians??

bullets, exploding cell phones and car bombs are too messy nowdays....

even Mossad --one of the world's most formidable intel/disposal services --is moving beyond that


Several other countries (like Iran and Turkey) are "involved" in Syria as well.
It's already a proxy war in Syria beyond reasonable hope of being ended soon :undecided::what::hitwall::argh::angry::ashamed:

As for a re-ignition of the cold war, I'm pretty sure the current generation of US and Russian leaders play a playful game of inciting and fostering a measure of domestic nationalism through relatively gentle mass-media pokes and prods back and forth. I sure hope those prods stay as gentle as this Snowden story.. :)

Oh trust me, so do I and so should the world.
 
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bullets, exploding cell phones and car bombs are too messy nowdays....

Causing a target prolonged suffering before death is detrimental to the image of the killers. (taking into account the ancient punishment for (perceived) traitors; death).

even Mossad --one of the world's most formidable intel/disposal services --is moving beyond that

I know the Mossad can be cruel as well. Something I hope to help grow them out of.

Oh trust me, so do I and so should the world.

Yea, the very very LAST thing we need right now is more tension between the superpowers :D
Instead, they should respect eachothers 'backyard sphere of influence', and co-operate with eachother whenever and whereever possible, especially in the area of preparations for climate shifts.
 
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Big nations just play games each other.US need Snowden keep absence to avoid more trouble and Russia the right nation that logical can do sth. to meet this demand.
 
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COLD WAR 2.0 initiated ........

I personally feel bad about the guy. He is so fu@ked up.
One doesnt simply steal American secretes and hide in Russia without telling them some ;)
 
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This is why Russia is considered as a country more powerful than China.They have the guts,while we are too cautious.

Yup. This current "cold war" between China and the US is a joke. Russians really had the world on their toes many times. Even when the Brits ruled the world- Russians were the only prick in their side. Gotta love Russians for their resolve.
 
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