Russia Forcing India out of Taijikistan

[Cheetah786]

Confronted by a waffling buyer, most vendors don't immediately think of hostile acts a preferred sales tactic to close the deal. Putin's Russia, on the other hand, seems to be taking exactly that approach as India remains locked in price negotiations over the former Admiral Gorshkov carrier and SU-30MKI fighters, and considers non-Russian aircraft in its MMRCA medium fighter competition.

Plans called for rotating Indo-Russian joint operation of the Ayni air base, located just 15km from Tajikstan's capital. http://imageshack.us

Its location above Afghanistan and Pakistan, and next to Uzbekistan et. al., makes it an important forward base for India to project special forces into the region, and send aid to Afghanistan over land routes. In July 2007, however…
Sify reports that under pressure from a 'displeased' regime in Moscow, Tajik Foreign Minister Hamrahon Zaripov declared that the government was no longer negotiating with New Delhi about Ayni, and that India did not have usage rights at the base.

Russia maintains a motorized division in Tajikistan for "logistical support," and has a close relationship built on large foreign debts and security assistance. Russia's share of India's defense market has dwindled significantly since its golden days as India's sole major foreign supplier, however; and India is working hard to diversify its alliances and establish strong relations with other countries, including the USA. This has reportedly been a point of friction involving Ayni. Senior Indian delegations continue to shuttle to Moscow for meetings, and Putin is scheduled to visit India by year end.

Geopolitical hardball has been known to work in this industry, and perhaps it will work again. Then again, it has also been known to fail, and to accelerate the very trends one was hoping to reverse.
Harball Sales: Russia Forcing India out of Taijikistan? (defense procurement, military acquisition, defence purchasing)<---(Neo link)

Well there it is indians game is over as my friend geroge bush said ''you are with us or against us'' indians will have to chose either they with uncle putin or sam.
ridding both boats will no longer be acceptable by uncle putin thats for sure

 

[Always Neutral]

U buy my MIGS and I give u a base

 

[Cheetah786]

U buy my MIGS and I give u a base

NOP actually you stay my ****** and thats the only thing acceptable.

 

[Neo]

Interesting!
Could you please post the link mate?
Thanks!

 

[Marathaman]

The relationship between India and Russia is shifting. India is no longer considering herself as a junior partner to Russia.
With India asserting herself , it is expected that Russia will take steps to ensure that India cannot challenge Russian superiority in the region.

It will be interesting see how the change from "Big Brother" Russia to "Business Partner" Russia takes place.

 

[Cheetah786]

Interesting!
Could you please post the link mate?
Thanks!

bro link is there towards the bottom

 

[Marathaman]

Well there it is indians game is over as my friend geroge bush said ''you are with us or against us'' indians will have to chose either they with uncle putin or sam.
ridding both boats will no longer be acceptable by uncle putin thats for sure

I don't think India is joining any boat. India has always had a policy of Non-alignment and will continue to do so. The Nuclear should not be seen as a signal that India is allying with the US. It is strictly a business deal...India pay the billions for some high-tech, and US trusts India not to proliferate.

As far as weapon sales are concerned, India is trying to get the best deal regardless of the politics, which, if this article is to be taken seriously, is not proving an easy task.

 

[Cheetah786]

I don't think India is joining any boat. India has always had a policy of Non-alignment and will continue to do so. The Nuclear should not be seen as a signal that India is allying with the US. It is strictly a business deal...India pay the billions for some high-tech, and US trusts India not to proliferate.

As far as weapon sales are concerned, India is trying to get the best deal regardless of the politics, which, if this article is to be taken seriously, is not proving an easy task.

LoL c'mon man you no it and i no it Indian government was trying to stay on both gravy trains and have the best from both ends of the world while playing a chess game.this is a pretty good signal uncle Putin is not interested in it any more.
no one is talking about nuclear deal here we all no Americans have double standards about that.Muslim countries will never be offered nuclear tech and thats not a secret to any body.

 

[Marathaman]

LoL c'mon man you no it and i no it Indian government was trying to stay on both gravy trains and have the best from both ends of the world while playing a chess game.this is a pretty good signal uncle Putin is not interested in it any more.
no one is talking about nuclear deal here we all no Americans have double standards about that.Muslim countries will never be offered nuclear tech and thats not a secret to any body.

India was never playing any Chess game. Indian PM has been quite clear that this deal is strictly business. For the first time US foreign policy is pro-India and India intends to make full use of that.
Uncle Putin knows that India is no longer dependent on Russia for military supplies, and also knows that India isn't interested in being the younger brother in the relationship.

If you look closely, India was never a true soviet ally. India never openly sent troops for the Soviet or supported USSR during the cold war. India has always maintained a distance from the Soviets even though she depended on them for weapons and tech.

As far as nuclear tech to Muslim countries is concerned....the question is not religion but government. US will only sell its cutting-edge technology to democracies or strategic allies. Very few muslim countries satisfy either of those criteria.

 

[hoodhood1]

Lo Ker Lo Gal. Indian delegation did not show up in Tehran to work on gas pipeline meeting this week, it was only just Pakistan & Iran.. Maybe uncle Sam told them not to do so.
In other words the camel is tilting towards US.

 

[IceCold]

Finally the Russians realize it too. I hope pakistan can take advantage of this situation which may help the two countries to boost up their relations apart from other countires influence on it. Its time we get out of the US nexus for good.

 

[Cheetah786]

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Marathaman;102210]India was never playing any Chess game. Indian PM has been quite clear that this deal is strictly business. For the first time US foreign policy is pro-India and India intends to make full use of that.
Uncle Putin knows that India is no longer dependent on Russia for military supplies, and also knows that India isn't interested in being the younger brother in the relationship.

Ties between India and the Soviet Union initially were distant. Nehru had expressed admiration for the Soviet Union's rapid economic transformation, but the Soviet Union regarded India as a "tool of Anglo-American imperialism." After Josef Stalin's death in 1953, the Soviet Union expressed its hopes for "friendly cooperation" with India. This aim was prompted by the Soviet decision to broaden its international contacts and to cultivate the nonaligned and newly independent countries of Asia and Africa. Nehru's state visit to the Soviet Union in June 1955 was the first of its kind for an Indian prime minister. It was followed by the trip of Premier Nikolai Bulganin and General Secretary Nikita Khrushchev to India in November and December 1955. The Soviet leaders endorsed the entire range of Indian foreign policy based on the Panch Shila and supported India's position against Pakistan on Kashmir. The Soviet Union also supported India's position vis-&#224;-vis Portugal on Goa, which was territorially integrated into India as a union territory by the Indian armed forces in December 1961 (it became a state in May 1987).

The Soviet Union and some East European countries offered India new avenues of trade and economic assistance. By 1965 the Soviet Union was the second largest national contributor to India's development. These new arrangements contributed to India's emergence as a significant industrial power through the construction of plants to produce steel, heavy machinery and equipment, machine tools, and precision instruments, and to generate power and extract and refine petroleum. Soviet investment was in India's public-sector industry, which the World Bank (see Glossary) and Western industrial powers had been unwilling to assist until spurred by Soviet competition. Soviet aid was extended on the basis of long-term, government-to-government programs, which covered successive phases of technical training for Indians, supply of raw materials, progressive use of Indian inputs, and markets for finished products. Bilateral arrangements were made in nonconvertible national currencies, helping to conserve India's scarce foreign exchange. Thus the Soviet contribution to Indian economic development was generally regarded by foreign and domestic observers as positive (see Foreign Economic Relations, ch. 6).



I suggest before you answer do some reaserch on this forum u will find all the answers from indian members contradicting what you are saying.

If you look closely, India was never a true soviet ally. India never openly sent troops for the Soviet or supported USSR during the cold war. India has always maintained a distance from the Soviets even though she depended on them for weapons and tech.

Nehru obtained a Soviet commitment to neutrality on the India-China border dispute and war of 1962. During the India-Pakistan war of 1965, the Soviet Union acted with the United States in the UN Security Council to bring about a cease-fire. Soviet premier Aleksei N. Kosygin went further by offering his good offices for a negotiated settlement, which took place at Tashkent on January 10, 1966. Until 1969 the Soviet Union took an evenhanded position in South Asia and supplied a limited quantity of arms to Pakistan in 1968. From 1959 India had accepted Soviet offers of military sales. Indian acquisition of Soviet military equipment was important because purchases were made against deferred rupee payments, a major concession to India's chronic shortage of foreign exchange. Simultaneous provisions were made for licensed manufacture and modification in India, one criterion of self-reliant defense on which India placed increasing emphasis. In addition, Soviet sales were made without any demands for restricted deployment, adjustments in Indian policies toward other countries, adherence to Soviet global policies, or acceptance of Soviet military advisers. In this way, Indian national autonomy was not compromised.

The most intimate phase in relations between India and the Soviet Union was the period between 1971 and 1976: its highlight was the twenty-year Treaty of Peace, Friendship, and Cooperation of August 1971. Articles 8, 9, and 10 of the treaty committed the parties "to abstain from providing any assistance to any third party that engages in armed conflict with the other" and "in the event of either party being subjected to an attack or threat thereof . . . to immediately enter into mutual consultations." India benefited at the time because the Soviet Union came to support the Indian position on Bangladesh and because the treaty acted as a deterrent to China. New Delhi also received accelerated shipments of Soviet military equipment in the last quarter of 1971. The first state visit of Soviet president Leonid Brezhnev to India in November 1973 was conducted with tremendous fanfare and stressed the theme of economic cooperation. By the late 1970s, the Soviet Union was India's largest trading partner.


you are right India was never true Allie of Russia iam sure Russian are realizing that.

As far as nuclear tech to Muslim countries is concerned....the question is not religion but government. US will only sell its cutting-edge technology to democracies or strategic allies. Very few muslim countries satisfy either of those criteria.

LET me tell you one more time say what you like don't change the reality.call it democracy call it strategic allies don't matter what names you give it hypocrisy will be called hypocrisy.

Israel investment in American economy -10billion a year India's investment in USA economy not known.
middle Eastern corrupt b.a.s.t.e.r.d.s investment in American economy about 4trillion dollars.
with that kind of clout if they are not Americans strategic allies you are right India and Israel are.

http://imageshack.us
point is simple stop patting your self on the back only reason Muslims are not going any where and put up with American B.S cause installed puppets are more interested in saving there own AZZ then there nations.

 

[Marathaman]

I suggest before you answer do some reaserch on this forum u will find all the answers from indian members contradicting what you are saying.

I don't have to agree with every Indian forum member.

you are right India was never true Allie of Russia iam sure Russian are realizing that.

No need to jump like a monkey. Russia has always known that India isn't her ally. How stupid do you think the Russians are. The only change that is happening in the relationship is the power equation.

LET me tell you one more time say what you like don't change the reality.call it democracy call it strategic allies don't matter what names you give it hypocrisy will be called hypocrisy.

Israel investment in American economy -10billion a year India's investment in USA economy not known.
middle Eastern corrupt b.a.s.t.e.r.d.s investment in American economy about 4trillion dollars.
with that kind of clout if they are not Americans strategic allies you are right India and Israel are.

Saudi Arabia and few other middle eastern nations also satisfy the "strategic ally" criteria.

Israel gets support because of the effectiveness of the Jewish lobbies, not because the lobbies are Jewish. Get it?

India satisfies the "Responsible democracy willing to pay billions" criteria.

Call it whatever the fcuk you want, it ain't gonna change.

point is simple stop patting your self on the back only reason Muslims are not going any where and put up with American B.S cause installed puppets are more interested in saving there own AZZ then there nations.

Take you religious bigotry and go somewhere else. Noone is patting themselves on their back except you, and as far as I can see, for no reason watsoever

 

[Cheetah786]

=Marathaman;102290]I don't have to agree with every Indian forum member.

wow if you dont agree reality will change.

No need to jump like a monkey. Russia has always known that India isn't her ally. How stupid do you think the Russians are. The only change that is happening in the relationship is the power equation.

To make your point you keep jumping from branch to branch yet you have nothing to go for.if the russians didnt think of india as there allies they helped you out economically and militarly cause of?
what iam really happy for india moving towards USA.

Saudi Arabia and few other middle eastern nations also satisfy the "strategic ally" criteria.

i dont see nuclear reactors or nuclear bombs being given to saudia.oh wait now you will say they are not democarcy.or india can afford to spend billions but saudies cant.

Israel gets support because of the effectiveness of the Jewish lobbies, not because the lobbies are Jewish. Get it?

dohhhhhhhh really
let me clear my point to you so u can understand.if muslim nations were to pull out there investments.jewish lobby or billion indians will not save american economy from going down the shitters.

India satisfies the "Responsible democracy willing to pay billions" criteria.

Noone is patting themselves on their back except you

Call it whatever the fcuk you want, it ain't gonna change.

just because you are out of words dont mean you start to swear.you just proved that you are a complete idiot and waist of time.

Take you religious bigotry and go somewhere else. Noone is patting themselves on their back except you, and as far as I can see, for no reason watsoever

again you are a complete idiot.READ THE TOPIC NO ONE SAID ANY THING ABOUT NUCLEAR DEAL FOR SOME INSANE REASON YOU ARE KEEP BRINGING THAT INTO IT.
IF IT WASNT FOR YOUR RELIGION YOU HAD WHAT TO OFFER ANTI MUSLIM NEOCONS IN WASHINGTON.
RUSSIAN TELLING YOU TO F.U.C.K. OFF ISNT MY FAULT.but iam really happy that they are.

 

[Marathaman]

Rite i'll just ignore the rest of the crap you wrote and reply to the big pieces only....

To make your point you keep jumping from branch to branch yet you have nothing to go for.if the russians didnt think of india as there allies they helped you out economically and militarly cause of?
what iam really happy for india moving towards USA.

India was pro russia, and russia sought to increase her influence in the region...hence the economic and military help. But as i said, India was friendly but not too friendly, unlike Pakistan here, who quite literally went to bed with the US and got married as well.

i dont see nuclear reactors or nuclear bombs being given to saudia.oh wait now you will say they are not democarcy.or india can afford to spend billions but saudies cant.

Exactly. They are not a democracy, so US doesn't trust them with the non-proliferation thingy. They are given F16s arent they? besides, I'm not sure that Saudis ever even asked for nuke tech, what with all the oil they'r sitting on.

dohhhhhhhh really
let me clear my point to you so u can understand.if muslim nations were to pull out there investments.jewish lobby or billion indians will not save american economy from going down the shitters.

If muslim nations pull investments, US economy will be shaken, but those muslim economies will fall to the ground and shatter like porcelain vases.