Russia deployed nuclear missiles on NATO doorstep, Europe 'alarmed'

[bsruzm]

If Russia or anyone else attacks a NATO country, and Turkey refuse to honour its obligations,
then Turkey will be expelled.

We can handle the situation. NATO is neither emotional nor stupid.

Obviously nothing since it is a NATO internal issue.

Exactly, better worry for yourself.

 

[Hindustani78]

SO? Do you have a point?

Even Iskander missiles are deployed in Armenia .

So the question which comes here , Where the Missiles deployed before the Missile Shield in Europe and Asia ?

 

[Deliorman]

Obviously nothing since it is a NATO internal issue.
If Russia or anyone else attacks a NATO country, and Turkey refuse to honour its obligations,
then Turkey will be expelled.

Are NATO members ready to fight for us if someone attacks Turkey? Are other people ready to defend us in case of a war or they will just be happy of all bad stuff happening to us as they are doing now when Turks die in a terror attack or whatever?

I know the answer though so don't waste your time responding to me.

 

[flamer84]

Are NATO members ready to fight for us if someone attacks Turkey? Are other people ready to defend us in case of a war or they will just be happy of all bad stuff happening to us as they are doing now when Turks die in a terror attack or whatever?

I know the answer though so don't waste your time responding to me.

After the downing of the Russian jet,NATO stood between you and anihilation .THere's your answer.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Are NATO members ready to fight for us if someone attacks Turkey? Are other people ready to defend us in case of a war or they will just be happy of all bad stuff happening to us as they are doing now when Turks die in a terror attack or whatever?

I know the answer though so don't waste your time responding to me.

NATO expressed their support when Turkey shot down the Su-24

 

[Penguin]

Even Iskander missiles are deployed in Armenia .

So the question which comes here , Where the Missiles deployed before the Missile Shield in Europe and Asia ?

Most likely the Central Military District.

Check deployment history here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K720_Iskander#Deployment_and_combat_history

The threat to put Iskander in the Western Military district is almost 10 years old. Actual deployment in Western MD (and probably all MDs, barring Kaliningrad) since 2013. Placement in Kaliningrad has been announced in 2015 and 2016.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/mo-md.htm

https://defencerussia.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/russia-to-unveil-plans-for-2014-drills/

Notice the location of the '>'-icon for missile troops and artillery exercises. Notice where the Kaliningrad special district is located, relative to the rest of Russia and Western Europe.

http://thesaker.is/russian-military-map-july-22-august-2-2015/

The Russian SFSR as a part of the USSR in 1936, after intra-Soviet territorial changes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia

Greatest territorial extent of the Soviet Union and states dominated politically, economically and/or militarily by it, in 1960

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union


Changes in national boundaries after the end of the Cold War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union

 

[royalharris]

NATO expressed their support when Turkey shot down the Su-24

With mouth?
You really think Turks stupid?
Fighter shot down,rhetoric support,failed coup,they are connected together.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

With mouth?
You really think Turks stupid?
Fighter shot down,rhetoric support,failed coup,they are connected together.

No they juggled tennis balls in support, and played banjo.

 

[Hindustani78]

NATO expressed their support when Turkey shot down the Su-24

NATO has been operating some AWACS from Konya air base since early 2016 as part of a separate mission approved after Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet in the border area in November 2015.

NATO approved the new AWACS mission in July and could start flying the planes this month, although initially without German crews since the German parliament is not expected to approve the expanded German role later in the year.

Most likely the Central Military District.

Check deployment history here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K720_Iskander#Deployment_and_combat_history

The threat to put Iskander in the Western Military district is almost 10 years old. Actual deployment in Western MD (and probably all MDs, barring Kaliningrad) since 2013. Placement in Kaliningrad has been announced in 2015 and 2016.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/mo-md.htm

https://defencerussia.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/russia-to-unveil-plans-for-2014-drills/

Notice the location of the '>'-icon for missile troops and artillery exercises. Notice where the Kaliningrad special district is located, relative to the rest of Russia and Western Europe.

http://thesaker.is/russian-military-map-july-22-august-2-2015/

The Russian SFSR as a part of the USSR in 1936, after intra-Soviet territorial changes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia

Greatest territorial extent of the Soviet Union and states dominated politically, economically and/or militarily by it, in 1960

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union


Changes in national boundaries after the end of the Cold War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union

June 3 2013

Russia has deployed an advanced new missile system to its base in Armenia,amid deteriorating relations with Armenia's rival, Azerbaijan. A source in Armenia's Defense Ministry confirmed to RFE/RL's Armenian service the deployment of "several" Iskander-M systems.

Russian-made Iskander-M missile systems are in the inventory of the Armenian Armed Forces and all the remarks that the systems are on the books of the 102nd Russian military base

"Iskander-M systems were delivered to Armenia long ago and they will officially be demonstrated at the September 21 military parade timed to the 25th anniversary of Armenia's Independence.

The deployment of several Iskander-M systems in the 102nd Russian military base

"Armenia's CSTO membership demonstrates that Yerevan will not remain face to face with external threats and that such a powerful organization as CSTO will be implementing its allied obligations to defend the partners against external challenges and threats," he says.

 

[Penguin]

June 3 2013

Russia has deployed an advanced new missile system to its base in Armenia,amid deteriorating relations with Armenia's rival, Azerbaijan. A source in Armenia's Defense Ministry confirmed to RFE/RL's Armenian service the deployment of "several" Iskander-M systems.

Russian-made Iskander-M missile systems are in the inventory of the Armenian Armed Forces and all the remarks that the systems are on the books of the 102nd Russian military base

"Iskander-M systems were delivered to Armenia long ago and they will officially be demonstrated at the September 21 military parade timed to the 25th anniversary of Armenia's Independence.

The deployment of several Iskander-M systems in the 102nd Russian military base

"Armenia's CSTO membership demonstrates that Yerevan will not remain face to face with external threats and that such a powerful organization as CSTO will be implementing its allied obligations to defend the partners against external challenges and threats," he says.

STATE
Armenia, officially the Republic of Armenia, is a sovereign state in the South Caucasus region of Eurasia. The modern Republic of Armenia became independent in 1991 during the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

FOREIGN RELATIONS

Located in Western Asia, on the Armenian Highland, it is bordered by Turkey to the west, Georgia to the north, the de facto independent Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and Azerbaijan to the east, and Iran and Azerbaijan's exclave of Nakhchivan to the south. Armenia presently maintains good relations with almost every country in the world, with two major exceptions being its immediate neighbours, Turkey and Azerbaijan

A former republic of the Soviet Union, Armenia is an emerging democracy and as of 2011 was negotiating with the European Union to become an associate partner. Legally speaking, it has the right to be considered as a prospective EU member provided it meets necessary standards and criteria, although officially such a plan does not exist in Brussels. The Government of Armenia, however, has joined the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union. Armenia is included in the European Union's European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) which aims at bringing the EU and its neighbors closer.

MILITARY RELATIONS
Armenia is member of Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO) along with Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. It also participates in NATO's Partnership for Peace (PiP) program and is in a NATO organisation called Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council (EAPC). Armenia has engaged in a peacekeeping mission in Kosovo as part of non-NATO KFOR troops under Greek command. Armenia also had 46 members of its military peacekeeping forces as a part of the Coalition Forces in Iraq War until October 2008.

ARMY
The Armed Forces of the Republic of Armenia omprise two services: the Army, and the Air Force and Air Defense (a unified branch). Being landlocked, there is no navy. The military was partially formed out of the former Soviet Army forces stationed in the Armenian SSR (mostly units of the 7th Guards Army of the Transcaucasian Military District).

The Army has mostly Soviet era legacy systems. In 2010, armor included T-80 (20), T-72 (200+), T-54/55 (8) tanks and BMP-1's (80), BMP-1K (7), BMP-2 (55), BMD-1S (5), MT-LBs (145) and BRM-1K (12). Wheeled IFV included BTR-60s (11), BTR-70s (21), BTR-80s (4), and BRDM-2 scout vehicles (120).

Although the Russians have supplied newer equipment to Armenia over the years, the numbers have never been sufficient to upgrade all ground force formations and many of the lower readiness units still have older, Soviet-legacy systems that have not been upgraded or in many cases effectively maintained. These older systems are placing great demands on the logistics system for service, maintenance, replacement parts and necessary upgrades, costing the army both financially and in overall readiness.

Today armor comprises T-90S (1) T-80 (20), T-72 (137), T-54/55 (8) tanks and BMP-1's (75), BMP-1K (7), BMP-2 (50), BMD-1 (10, incl. 5 BMD-1S), MT-LBs (145), and BRM-1K (12). Wheeled IFV included BTR-60s (100+), BTR-70s (40+), BTR-80s (110), BRDM-2 scout vehicles (120), BTR-152 (?) and GAZ 2975 (4)

Tactical Ballistic Missile Systems of Armenian Army as of 2008-2016.
SCUD-B: 8 launchers, 32 missiles
OTR-21 Tochka: 7-8 launchers, ? missiles
Iskander-E: 4 launchers, ? missiles

Two managers of the Russian military-industrial complex Rosoboronexport have confirmed that four 9K720 Iskander systems were delivered to Armenia per CSTO arms agreement, thus making Armenia the first foreign state to have this Russian missile system.

A Scud battery is typically composed of three TELs, three reloading vehicles, a mobile meteorological unit, one tanker and several command and control trucks. OTR-21 units are usually managed in a brigade structure, with 18 launchers and each launcher provided with 2 or 3 missiles. It would appear therefor that there roughly are 1 Iskander-E battery, and 2 batteries each of SCUD-B and OTR-21 Tochka.

 

[Penguin]

With mouth?
You really think Turks stupid?

Well, if I would have to judge only by your response ....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown#International_organizations

• European Union: President of the European Council Donald Tusk called upon Turkey and Russia to stay calm; he was supported by the High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs Federica Mogherini, following her meeting with Secretary General of NATO Jens Stoltenberg, who urged both parties to avoid escalation.
• NATO: Secretary General of NATO Jens Stoltenberg backed Turkey's assessment of the engagement offered solidarity with Turkey, and called for both sides to de-escalate the situation.

• United States: President Barack Obama assured his Turkish counterpart, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, in a phone call, of support for his country's right to defend its sovereignty and that it was important to find out exactly what had happened and to prevent escalation.[95] Department of State Spokesperson Mark Toner stated that Syrian Turkmen under attack have the right to self-defence. The United States announced a list of new economic sanctions on Russian and Syrian individuals and companies.
• United Kingdom: Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said the incident was potentially serious but also said that Turkey was an important ally of the United Kingdom and European Union. When asked by opposition Labour MP Dennis Skinner whether Turkey could still be considered an ally, Hammond said that Turkey is an important NATO ally in the context of the fight against ISIL and the migration crisis.
• Germany: Chancellor Angela Merkel said that countries have the right to defend their airspace, but the event took place against a context of tension, and that she had spoken to the Turkish prime minister in an effort to promote calm. German Vice-Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel called Turkish actions unpredictable. Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier called for "prudence and common sense" in response to the incident and that Syria peace talks in Vienna should not be derailed.
• France: President François Hollande called the plane incident "a serious one" and said that Turkey is providing information to NATO to investigate the circumstances. He also called for the prevention of any escalation of the situation.

 

[bsruzm]

Well, if I would have to judge only by your response ....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown#International_organizations

• European Union: President of the European Council Donald Tusk called upon Turkey and Russia to stay calm; he was supported by the High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs Federica Mogherini, following her meeting with Secretary General of NATO Jens Stoltenberg, who urged both parties to avoid escalation.
• NATO: Secretary General of NATO Jens Stoltenberg backed Turkey's assessment of the engagement offered solidarity with Turkey, and called for both sides to de-escalate the situation.

• United States: President Barack Obama assured his Turkish counterpart, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, in a phone call, of support for his country's right to defend its sovereignty and that it was important to find out exactly what had happened and to prevent escalation.[95] Department of State Spokesperson Mark Toner stated that Syrian Turkmen under attack have the right to self-defence. The United States announced a list of new economic sanctions on Russian and Syrian individuals and companies.
• United Kingdom: Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said the incident was potentially serious but also said that Turkey was an important ally of the United Kingdom and European Union. When asked by opposition Labour MP Dennis Skinner whether Turkey could still be considered an ally, Hammond said that Turkey is an important NATO ally in the context of the fight against ISIL and the migration crisis.
• Germany: Chancellor Angela Merkel said that countries have the right to defend their airspace, but the event took place against a context of tension, and that she had spoken to the Turkish prime minister in an effort to promote calm. German Vice-Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel called Turkish actions unpredictable. Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier called for "prudence and common sense" in response to the incident and that Syria peace talks in Vienna should not be derailed.
• France: President François Hollande called the plane incident "a serious one" and said that Turkey is providing information to NATO to investigate the circumstances. He also called for the prevention of any escalation of the situation.

Keep the Chinese out of it but Europe and US better avoid escalation with Russia, too.

When asked by opposition Labour MP Dennis Skinner whether Turkey could still be considered an ally

German Vice-Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel called Turkish actions unpredictable.

 

[Hindustani78]

STATE
Armenia, officially the Republic of Armenia, is a sovereign state in the South Caucasus region of Eurasia. The modern Republic of Armenia became independent in 1991 during the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

FOREIGN RELATIONS

Located in Western Asia, on the Armenian Highland, it is bordered by Turkey to the west, Georgia to the north, the de facto independent Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and Azerbaijan to the east, and Iran and Azerbaijan's exclave of Nakhchivan to the south. Armenia presently maintains good relations with almost every country in the world, with two major exceptions being its immediate neighbours, Turkey and Azerbaijan

A former republic of the Soviet Union, Armenia is an emerging democracy and as of 2011 was negotiating with the European Union to become an associate partner. Legally speaking, it has the right to be considered as a prospective EU member provided it meets necessary standards and criteria, although officially such a plan does not exist in Brussels. The Government of Armenia, however, has joined the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union. Armenia is included in the European Union's European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) which aims at bringing the EU and its neighbors closer.

MILITARY RELATIONS
Armenia is member of Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO) along with Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. It also participates in NATO's Partnership for Peace (PiP) program and is in a NATO organisation called Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council (EAPC). Armenia has engaged in a peacekeeping mission in Kosovo as part of non-NATO KFOR troops under Greek command. Armenia also had 46 members of its military peacekeeping forces as a part of the Coalition Forces in Iraq War until October 2008.

ARMY
The Armed Forces of the Republic of Armenia omprise two services: the Army, and the Air Force and Air Defense (a unified branch). Being landlocked, there is no navy. The military was partially formed out of the former Soviet Army forces stationed in the Armenian SSR (mostly units of the 7th Guards Army of the Transcaucasian Military District).

The Army has mostly Soviet era legacy systems. In 2010, armor included T-80 (20), T-72 (200+), T-54/55 (8) tanks and BMP-1's (80), BMP-1K (7), BMP-2 (55), BMD-1S (5), MT-LBs (145) and BRM-1K (12). Wheeled IFV included BTR-60s (11), BTR-70s (21), BTR-80s (4), and BRDM-2 scout vehicles (120).

Although the Russians have supplied newer equipment to Armenia over the years, the numbers have never been sufficient to upgrade all ground force formations and many of the lower readiness units still have older, Soviet-legacy systems that have not been upgraded or in many cases effectively maintained. These older systems are placing great demands on the logistics system for service, maintenance, replacement parts and necessary upgrades, costing the army both financially and in overall readiness.

Today armor comprises T-90S (1) T-80 (20), T-72 (137), T-54/55 (8) tanks and BMP-1's (75), BMP-1K (7), BMP-2 (50), BMD-1 (10, incl. 5 BMD-1S), MT-LBs (145), and BRM-1K (12). Wheeled IFV included BTR-60s (100+), BTR-70s (40+), BTR-80s (110), BRDM-2 scout vehicles (120), BTR-152 (?) and GAZ 2975 (4)

Tactical Ballistic Missile Systems of Armenian Army as of 2008-2016.
SCUD-B: 8 launchers, 32 missiles
OTR-21 Tochka: 7-8 launchers, ? missiles
Iskander-E: 4 launchers, ? missiles

Two managers of the Russian military-industrial complex Rosoboronexport have confirmed that four 9K720 Iskander systems were delivered to Armenia per CSTO arms agreement, thus making Armenia the first foreign state to have this Russian missile system.

A Scud battery is typically composed of three TELs, three reloading vehicles, a mobile meteorological unit, one tanker and several command and control trucks. OTR-21 units are usually managed in a brigade structure, with 18 launchers and each launcher provided with 2 or 3 missiles. It would appear therefor that there roughly are 1 Iskander-E battery, and 2 batteries each of SCUD-B and OTR-21 Tochka.

Russian 102nd Military Base in Gyumri

 

[Penguin]

Russian 102nd Military Base in Gyumri

Reported was the Armenian PURCHASE of Iskander. That's why your video above reads "Armenian Army's state of the art ballistic missiles". Since Armenia is member of CSTO, I'm not surprised it has a Russian base on its territory. That doesn't automatically mean Russia put its own Iskander on that base. Is that what has been reported? > Source?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_military_bases_abroad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_102nd_Military_Base

Keep the Chinese out of it but Europe and US better avoid escalation with Russia, too.

I've not mentioned the Chinese. And while you may not like the remarks, those are the remarks made by various government officials. Don't make the mistake of attributing these to me, or associating me with them.

 

[bsruzm]

And while you may not like the remarks, those are the remarks made by various government officials. Don't make the mistake of attributing these to me, or associating me with them.

Of course