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Russia demanding more money from India on defence purchases
http://www.app.com.pk/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9721&Itemid=2
NEW DELHI, May 27 (APP):
Russian manufacturers of armaments are demanding more money from India in the sale of aircraft carrier Gorshkov and SU-30 fighter aircraft due to depreciation in dollar value. Media reports said a Russian delegation consisting of top officials from land forces, Navy, Air Force, Ministry of Defence and armament export agencies headed by General of Army Alexi Fedroovich Maslov will arrive in Indian Capital on June three on a five-day visit to review the defence contracts and to sort out differences on price related issues.

The Russian manufacturers have pressed for review of defence contracts in the context of prices.

The Russians are also interested to have new defence deals with India which include sale of 350 more upgraded T-90 tanks and for the joint development of a multi-role transport aircraft.

The deal on sale of tanks to India is expected to be readied in the next two months, media reports said.
 
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Purchase of SU-30 MKI Under Threat
May 27, 2007 12:00 PM EST
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/25423.html
Moscow: A falling dollar and strengthening rouble may spell trouble for Indo-Russian defence contracts, with Russia now seeking a review of the cost escalation clause for all existing contracts, including big ticket ones such as the Su-30MKI and the INS Vikramaditya (ex-Adm Gorshkov). If India accedes to Russian requests for a revision, it could probably mean doling out extra cash to Russian defence contractors to the tune of at least half a billion dollars.

According to reports, quoting diplomatic sources, the issue was discussed extensively by defence secretary, Shekhar Dutt, during his three-day visit here earlier last week, in particular with Russia's state arms export monopoly Rosoboronexport.

It would appear that Moscow is prepared to stick to earlier terms of the contract for the delivery of the first 100 Su-30 MKI aircraft, of which it has already supplied 60. It has indicated that it may not be able to supply kits for the remaining 138, for local assembly at the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), at currently contracted prices.

The $8.5 billion Sukhoi deal, is one of the largest single defence contracts ever in the global market involving deep transfer of technology. Irkutsk Corporation, the main contractor, has said that it is not able to stick to contract terms of delivering the aircraft at a cost escalation rate of 2.55 per cent per annum. It is seeking a revision of the rate to 5 per cent, and according to reports, may eventually settle for a 4.5 per cent escalation clause.

The same logic would appear to hold good for the INS Vikramaditya (ex-Adm Gorshkov), where contractors appear to have seriously underestimated the amount the cabling required for the ship and now find costs shooting up prohibitively for the supply of the same.

It may be kept in mind that cost escalation factors are part and parcel of the game and the story is the same around the world. American defence majors, for instance, keep petitioning the US Congress for cost revisions of existing contracts on a regular basis.
 
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India to buy 350 main battle tanks from Russia

http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?179332

MOSCOW: India is to buy around 350 T-90S main battle tanks (MBT) from Russia under a deal to be inked in autumn this year, according to a top military official here.

"The contract for their delivery will be signed in autumn this year, although it was initially to be signed this month," Chief of the Russian Defence Ministry's mechanised armoured department, Colonel-General Vladislav Polonsky, was quoted as saying by ITAR-TASS.

According to General Polonsky, like in the case of previously executed contract for the sale of 300 T-90S the new deal would also be completed within 3-4 years."As a result of the tank deals India will have two divisions fully equipped with latest Russian T-90 tanks," Gen Polonsky said.
 
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Indo-Russian Defense Ties: Trouble Brewing UnderneathDated 18/6/2007
http://www.india-defence.com/reports-3319

Deep historical ties and high volume trade apart, serious challenges confront Indo-Russian Defense Ties

NUCLEAR SUBMARINES, Heavy Battle Tanks, Fighter Jets and Aircraft Carriers - this is a just partial list of the current defence trade items between India & Russia, which is estimated to be worth upto $10 billion by 2010. For three decades and more, Russia has been, and today still is, India's largest trading partner.

The Russian defence industry, which used to enjoy a huge monopoly in the Indian market, has however in recent times found it very hard to hold on to its market share. Since 1992, when India and Israel established full diplomatic ties, Israel has grown exponentially to become India's second largest defense partner expected to overtake Russia in coming years. European and American defense companies are too making the most of the 'liberalization' of Indian Defense. And if competition from Western Defence giants was not enough, the growing thaw in Indo-Russian defence relations is making it even harder for Russia to maintain its dominance in Indian defence.

BrahMos - Indo Expo 2006 Fiasco

The friction first became public when, for the first time, Russian missile makers accused the BrahMos Aerospace Pvt. Ltd. of using unfair marketing practices for the promotion of the PJ-10 BrahMos Supersonic cruise missile. Brahmos Ltd. is a Joint Venture between India and Russia and manufactures state-of-the-art cruise missiles suitable for land, sea and air based launch platforms.

The spat occurred in a defense exhibition held in Indonesia (Indo Expo 2006) as marketing initiatives of BrahMos clearly overshadowed all of the Russian missile exhibitors. Accusations were exchanged to-and-fro but the incident highlighted the growing friction between the Indian and Russian defence industry.

Russia had always viewed India as a perennial market and signs of India becoming an equal competitor was not being taken very well in Moscow. And instead of fair and healthy competition, the Russians resorted to allegations, accusations and political/diplomatic maneuvering. The first signs of Russia's growing incompatibility with India's evolving defense industry.

Cost Reviews for Concluded Deals

In May 2007, Russia pushed for an overall review of all defence deals signed between the two nations. Russia lobbied passionately for increasing the price even for deals that were already signed. The Russians cited the appreciating Rouble vis-a-vis the U.S. Dollar, and while the Russian concerns would force them to increase the price of upcoming deals, their desire to review the price of deals already concluded did not go down too well with the Indian Ministry of Defence.

The prevailing feeling is that Russia has not acknowledged the fact that India's options today are far greater than when Russia enjoyed a monopoly in the Indian market back in the 70's, 80's and early 90's. Today India can purchase European, American and Israeli arms and neither finances nor diplomatic ties are an hindrance. India does enjoy excellent ties with traditionally U.K. and France and the relations with the United States have made rapid strides in recent years with India & the U.S. having signed significant strategic agreements in recent years.
Cost Overruns & Delays

Despite numerous denials and attempted cover-ups by the Indian Navy, the Defense Minister had to acknowledge and confirm media reports that the Admiral Gorskhov/INS Vikramaditya deal was facing cost overruns and potential delays. The reports initially appeared in Russian and then Indian media outlets and the Navy tried first denying and then scaling down the scale of problems but the Defence Ministers statement was all but a confession for the same.

This is not the first major defence deal with Russia to face such problems. The Indian Army's MBT T-90S is also facing major issues wrt munitions, suspension and overall performance in the Indian desert conditions. Some in the Armed Force have a preference for non Russian arms and such can be understood given the track record so far.

As a result many of India's current purchases from Russia have multi-national inputs for example the Air Force Sukhoi 30 MKI fighter jet deal has a great deal of Indian and Israeli systems embedded on the Russian Su-30 platform. The PHALCON AWACS deal too is of a similar nature.

Russians & the Integrity Pact

In 2006, the MOD released a Defence Procurement Manual which prominently contained an Integrity Pact which barred bidders from using middle men aka. defence agents to win national contract. In a surprising admission, the Russian side informed MOD that some clauses in the Integrity Pact were "conflicting" with Russian domestic laws and that they wouldn't sign the same.

Under the Integrity Pact, if it is found that either side had agents or paid commissions then criminal cases can be initiated by India and the other side has to cooperate. Arms dealers are banned under the defence procurement policy 2006. April 2007 saw intense negotiations between the Ministry of Defence and Russian representatives to ensure that the latter's stand do not "delay" India's defence modernization and massive procurement programmes; but then delays were witnessed for one reason or another in almost all major defence deals with Russia.

Future Trends

The Russians so far have come off to be pretty inefficient and rather combative despite enjoying a major stake of the Indian defence pie. Instead of leveraging their present position as the dominant player, they've creating openings for Israelis, Americans and Europeans to venture. Even CIS states such as Ukraine and Kazakhstan have won defence deals with India where Russia failed to seize the initiative.

While Russia will continue to be a major partner for India in the coming decades, the Russian industry needs to learn to compete with the West, the Israelis and domestic defense players if it chooses to be dominant in coming years. The fact remains that the defence market today is a buyers market and that India is one of the largest defense importers in the world.
 
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thanks for letting us know it was written by sri..i wudbnt have known otherwise.
 
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This is what is written there...

About The Author-- Srirangan is a New Delhi based independent Defence & Security Observer
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anyways!!! I say the russians do deserve so more money,
 
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