Russia-China Defense ties hitting road blocks

[Adux]

The may meeting of the Russian-Chinese Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation has been postponed again, this time until autumn. In Moscow, they are saying that the change is due to changes in the personnel on the commission. In Beijing, they say it is due to the need to make improvements under current contracts. The real reason is most likely the substantial reduction in military-technical cooperation between Russia and China, which has lost exhausted potential in its current form.
Kommersant learned of the postponement of the commission meeting in the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation. “The reason is purely technical,” it was explained there, “a change of commission chairmen.” At the end of March, Sergey Ivanov, now first deputy prime minister, was replaced by new Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov.

Sources in the Russian defense industry have suggested to Kommersant that there is another reason the meeting is not being held. They say that they meeting was moved back by Beijing, which is demanding that improvements to Russian weapons be made under current contracts after Chinese testing. In particular, the test firing of a Moskit missile installed on a Project 956EM cruiser last year was a problem, as was the firing of a Club-S on a Project 636 vessel.

A source in the Russian government called claims made by the Chinese Defense Ministry groundless. “It was just a technical failure that the Chinese are taking advantage of to pressure us in negotiations on other topics. Both systems – the Moskit and the Club-S, have been tested and are in mass production,” the source said.

The endless postponement of the commission meeting must have more serious causes then. Military-technical cooperation between Russia and China, which has exhausted its potential in it current form, is being substantially reduced, if not completely cut out.

In the 1990s, many Russian defense enterprises were kept alive almost exclusively by Chinese contracts. Between 1992 and 2006, when total Russian arms exports amounted to $58.4 billion, China took delivery of about $26 billion worth military equipment and weapons. Today the situation has changed. “Russia has significantly expanded its arms deliveries geographically, so there is no loner a critical need for Chinese purchases,” explained Konstantin Makienko, an expert at the Center for the Analysis of Strategy and Technology. Last year and at the beginning of this year, large-scale agreements were reached with Algeria ($7.5 billion), Venezuela ($3 billion) and India ($2.6 billion) and contracts with Libya (up to $2.2 billion) and Syria ($2-3 billion) being prepared.

China has lost much of its interest in purchases of Russian military equipment. In the 1990s, Beijing did not have much choice. After the West imposed an arms embargo on China because of the events at Tiananmen Square in 1989, China had to satisfy its weapons needs with Russian orders. Having purchased a large amount of Russian weapons in the last 15 years, China no longer needs significant supplies. A sign of this was Beijing's pullout several months ago from negotiations for the purchase of four Zubr troop-carrying hovercraft worth $210 million. Negotiations on the delivery of up to 48 Su-33 anti-ship aircraft for $2.5 billion have slowed down. Up to 70 percent of Russian military exports went to China in the second half of the 1990s. In 2006, China's share had fallen to 40 percent, and it is expected to be 17-20 this year.

“The Russian military-industrial complex mainly supplied China with arms developed in Soviet times,” Andrey Karneev, deputy director of the Institute of the Countries of Asia and Africa, told Kommersant. “Now that reserve has been exhausted. The Chinese want to receive more modern systems from Russia. But Russia won't include missile technology in the sphere of cooperation for understandable reasons.” Alexander Lukin, director of the Center for Asiatic Studies at the Moscow State Institute of Foreign Relations explained that “We have already armed China more than once. In the 1960s, those weapons were used against our border forces. That does not mean that nothing of the kind will happen again, but there remains a certain caution in relations with China, and so Russia doesn't want to sell it its newest weapons.”

The matter will not reach a full stop to Russian-Chinese military technology cooperation. “We most likely will supply parts for systems China has already bought for a long time, Karneev observed. In addition, Beijing is not ready to cut military technology cooperation with Moscow fully either. The United States and European Union have not removed the embargo on weapons sales yet. And Israel, under pressure from Washington, is also refusing to sell China its latest weapons.


&How Russia Has Armed China

The export of aviation equipment and weaponry make up the basis of Russian-Chinese military technical cooperation. Between 1992 and 2003, the Chinese Air Force received 36 Su-27SK fighter jets, 76 multipurpose Su-30MKK fighters and 40 Su-27UBK training jets. Simultaneously, between 1998 and 2005, another 105 Su-27Sk planes were manufactured in Shenyang under Russian license and mainly from Russian parts. In addition, the Chinese Navy acquired 28 multipurpose Su-30MK2 craft from Russia in 2003 and 2004. Experts estimate the value of the deliveries and licenses for the Sukhoi aircraft at $9.3 billion. Along with the aircraft, Kh-35 air-to-surface missiles, Kh-31A anti-ship missiles and Kh-31P antiradar missiles were supplied to China.

China has also purchased four Il-78MK refueling planes, four A-50 long-distance radar planes and a large number of Mi-8/Mi-17 helicopters. In 2005, 34 Il-76MD military transport planes and four Il78-MK planes were contracted for. China also buys airplane engines from Russia in large numbers.

Beijing bought its Navy two Project 956E and two 956EM cruisers, two Project 877EKM diesel-electric submarines and ten Project 636 and 636M. Chinese ships are equipped with Russian Rif and Shtil-1 antiballistic missile systems. Naval supplies from Russia between 1994 and 2006 have been estimate to be worth $7 billion.

For its air defense forces, Beijing purchased eight S-300PMU-2 systems and 27 Top-M1 short-range systems for a total of $4 billion.

The export of Russian arms for Chinese infantry is insignificant. Mainly, it consists of 1000high-accuracy Krasnpol-M artillery shells and the sale of the licenses to produce the same shells in China as well as the Smerch multilaunch rocket system.

http://www.kommersant.com/p763776/r_529/military-technical_cooperation_China/

 

[Bull]

Good article. Arming a neighbour is always dangerous, especially when its a massive country like China. In that way US is blessed, their allies whom they arm are miles and miles away.

 

[Cheetah786]

Link Please

 

[Adux]

RD-93, Hmmmmmmm

 

[Awesome]

RD-93, Hmmmmmmm

Wishful thinking.

 

[Adux]

Wishful thinking.

That chinese junk isnt even a security threat..lol

 

[ahussains]

RD-93, Hmmmmmmm

RD 93 is complete forget it this chapter is close .... and if any thing happend the new chiness based modle of RD 93 is available in 6 to 8 months time the WS 13 10% more efficent then
RD 93

 

[Cheetah786]

RD-93, Hmmmmmmm

If you only knew whats in the pipes.

 

[Cheetah786]

That chinese junk isnt even a security threat..lol

i guess when whole of India was bending backwards to stop this from happening.it wasn't a junk
now all of sudden its junk AKA=sour grapes

still waiting for link is there a reason links not being posted.

 

[blain2]

That chinese junk isnt even a security threat..lol

Most of the so-called Chinese junk of Russian origin is the same as what India is using. Lets not get ahead of ourseleves here please.

 

[PakSniper]

RD-93, Hmmmmmmm

Kosmmonaut already reported Putin approved the sales of the engine and all, and as someone said that Chapter is closed it was nothing but baseless Indian fuss from the start.

Similar, how they ran to Washington to stop the sales of TOW missiles, by writing a report it will be used against India (Which I have to say no **** it will be used against Indian, lol).

That chinese junk isnt even a security threat..lol

Lol, considering you also have Russian junk so we should not even consider it a security threat, and lets not forget you are also producing junk under-license (RD engines, etc).

 

[alamgir]

China advancing laser weapons program
Technology equals or surpasses U.S. capability--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


By Jon E. Dougherty
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

Not only is the Chinese military advancing rapidly in the field of anti-satellite, anti-missile laser weapon technology, but its technology equals or surpasses U.S. laser weapons capabilities currently under development, informed sources have told WorldNetDaily.

According to Mark Stokes, a military author specializing in Chinese weapons development, Beijing's efforts to harness laser weapons technology began in the 1960s, under a program called Project 640-3, sanctioned by Chairman Mao Tse-tung. The Chinese, he said, renamed the project the "863 Program" in 1979, after a Chinese researcher named Sun Wanlin convinced the Central Military Commission "to maintain the pace and even raise the priority of laser development" in 1979.

Today, Beijing's effort to develop laser technology encompasses over "10,000 personnel -- including 3,000 engineers in 300 scientific research organizations -- with nearly 40 percent of China's laser research and development (R & D) devoted to military applications," Stokes wrote in an analytical paper provided to WorldNetDaily.

China's "DEW (Directed Energy Weapons) research (is) part of a larger class of weapons known to the Chinese as 'new concept weapons' (xin gainian wuqi), which include high power lasers, high power microwaves, railguns, coil guns, (and) particle beam weapons," Stokes said. "The two most important organizations involved in R&D of DEW are the China Academy of Sciences and the Commission of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense (COSTIND)."

To underscore Beijing's fixation with laser weaponry, the Hong Kong Standard reported Nov. 15 that the Chinese have developed a laser-based anti-missile, anti-satellite system.

"China's system shoots a laser beam that destroys the [guidance systems] and causes the projectile to fall harmlessly to the ground," the paper said.

The report also noted that Beijing had "conducted tests of its new technology since August 1999," and said the system was "similar to the laser defense system technology being developed by the U.S. Air Force."

Rick Fischer, a congressional Chinese military hardware expert, told WorldNetDaily that recent photographs of Chinese main battle tanks taken during military parades held in celebration of China's 50th anniversary of Communism in October showed "what was described as a photoelectric device that may have been a ground-based laser equivalent" of the same ASAT system.

Fischer said the U.S. is currently developing a similar weapon, whereby "a ground-based laser would be capable of producing a 'dazzle'" strong enough to knock an incoming missile off course."

However, he cautioned, "the Chinese may have beat us to the punch," though he said attempts to classify the new battle tank equipment as "definitely laser technology" were inconclusive.

As early as 1997, the Army reported successfully test-firing a ground-based laser called MIRCL at an orbiting Air Force MSTI-3 research satellite as it passed over the Army's White Sands, New Mexico, test facility. According to one published report, "Two bursts from the chemical laser struck a sensor array on the MSTI-3 craft." The U.S. firms Boeing and TRW are also developing an airborne laser defense system, fitted to a cargo model of the 747 airliner, that would be capable of targeting incoming ICBMs and other medium-range missiles, either destroying them or rendering them incapacitated.

U.S. officials downplayed the results of the Army's laser tests, saying only that they were "a research experiment, not a step towards a space weapon."

But since the Hong Kong newspaper account, officials and experts in the United States have begun to re-examine the issue of Chinese military laser technology, which now may be even more advanced than developments first revealed by the Cox Committee.

According to the Cox report, Beijing had already managed to obtain sensitive laser technology enabling them to test miniature nuclear weapons and to assist the Chinese navy in locating hard-to-find U.S. nuclear submarines.

Unclassified documents provided to WorldNetDaily also provide detailed technical information on new Chinese beam director designs for high-powered laser weapons -- specifically those designed for eventual "anti-satellite missions," anti-missile applications and for blinding combatants in the field. Stokes said the Chinese were especially interested in the development of "free electron laser" weapons, "because they have a number of advantages, including their adjustable wavelength and bandwidth and their potential range of 5,000 kilometers."

According to documents, Li Hui, Director of the Beijing Institute of Remote Sensing Equipment, a developer of optical precision and photoelectronic guidance systems for surface-to-air missiles, "has cited laser technology as the only effective means to counter cruise missiles."

Hui has "encouraged the acceleration of laser weapons development," the documents said, while stressing that an "anti-cruise missile laser weapon" already developed by China "utilizes...the most mature high-energy laser technology, the deuterium-fluoride (DF) chemical laser."

"Li Hui's statement advocating ground-based laser weapons for use against missiles is not the first by a Chinese weapons developer," the documents said. "The 1028th Research Institute (RI) of the Ministry of Information Industry, a major Chinese developer of integrated air defense systems, has analyzed the use of lasers in future warfare. Such uses include active jamming of electro-optics, blinding combatants and damaging sensors, causing laser-guided weapons to deviate from their true targets, and target destruction."

The 1028th's analysis, the papers said, "concluded with the statement, 'The appearance of laser weapons will have a significant impact on modern warfare. On today's electronic battlefield, it is natural for defensive systems to use low-energy laser weapons to damage enemy electronic equipment. When high-energy lasers that can directly destroy tanks, planes and ships develop and mature, they will be formidable offensive weapons.'"

Stokes' research supports the Cox Committee's conclusions about Chinese intentions to build a variety of high-tech laser weapons. Though he said "there is no proof or strong indication that development" of such weapons "is in a more advanced stage in China than in the U.S.," he notes that China's People's Liberation Army "is placing greater emphasis on lasers and their potential military applications."

"The Academy of Military Science, the PLA's leading think-tank on future warfare," Stokes said, "believes lasers will be an integral aspect of 21st century war."

/news/archives.asp?ARCHIVE_ID=16Charles Smith, a WorldNetDaily staff writer and founder of Softwar, wrote Jan. 26 that new Chinese laser systems not only are rapidly advancing, but they incorporate microchip technology obtained through export from the U.S.

"The Clinton administration allowed the export of advanced radiation-hardened microchip technology, vital electronic components for military satellites and nuclear weapons, to Russia and China," Smith wrote. The technology allowed China to build air-defense laser systems powerful enough to deliver an "estimated...10,000 watts of output power on a target up to 500 miles away." Smith said the Chinese are preparing to deploy "an even more powerful ground-based laser by the year 2000."

The Pentagon declined to comment on current Chinese laser weapons development, but most experts who spoke with WorldNetDaily believe the Chinese have obtained advanced laser technology from multiple sources. They also believe Beijing is involved in an ongoing plan to "acquire" new laser weapons technologies either by producing them domestically, buying them or through espionage.

William Triplett II, co-author of the Chinese espionage bestseller, "Year of the ***," and a new book detailing Chinese military prowess called "Red Dragon Rising," said he believed Beijing may have stolen some U.S. ASAT and laser technology, but indicated that in the end that may prove to be a small part of their developmental process.

"Right now the Chinese are in the cat-bird seat," he said. "They have holes in their capabilities, but they have access to cutting-edge military technology from both Russia and the U.S. What they couldn't get from us they have bought from Moscow."

Triplett said that while China's use of laser technology was "advanced," Beijing's ASAT and anti-missile laser weaponry was "not yet equal" to U.S. capabilities.

"The degree to which espionage" was involved with Chinese acquisition of laser technology "is really not clear," said Fischer. "We can assume with a high degree of certainty that Beijing is seeking Russian laser technology, but they themselves have devoted enormous resources" to the research and development of laser weaponry, he said.

Stokes added, "Chinese analysts see directed energy weapons as important for China's air defense and counterspace efforts. DEW efforts also reflect a diversification of China's nuclear weapons industry."



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Jon E. Dougherty, a policy analyst with Freedom Alliance, a group founded by Lt. Col. Oliver North, is the author of "Illegals: The Imminent Threat Posed by Our Unsecured U.S.-Mexico Border." www.wnd.com

 

[Neo]

Wishful thinking.

Rather never ending saga of wetdreamin...lol.
Sorry Adu, no offence.